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Bofahibee

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Seems they’ve been chucked out of the Europa League due to their multi-club ownership. Don’t know the details yet but would that ever apply to us?
 
Bofahibee said:
Seems they’ve been chucked out of the Europa League due to their multi-club ownership. Don’t know the details yet but would that ever apply to us?
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It says "significant shares" in both clubs, so it depends on their bar for significant.
 
Aye, the rules are pretty established in all this. The higher ranked club stays in the lower ranked (in this case Palace) dont.
No one from these clubs complains too much when these money men put their cash in and buy a stake.

Shan for the Palace fans, but we cant have 2 teams with the same owners playing in the same cup. Need to keep some sort of sporting integrity imo
 
emerald green said:
Aye, the rules are pretty established in all this. The higher ranked club stays in the lower ranked (in this case Palace) dont.
No one from these clubs complains too much when these money men put their cash in and buy a stake.

Shan for the Palace fans, but we cant have 2 teams with the same owners playing in the same cup. Need to keep some sort of sporting integrity imo
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So do we need to hope Bournemouth don't keep threatening to qualify for Europe?
 
emerald green said:
Aye, the rules are pretty established in all this. The higher ranked club stays in the lower ranked (in this case Palace) dont.
No one from these clubs complains too much when these money men put their cash in and buy a stake.

Shan for the Palace fans, but we cant have 2 teams with the same owners playing in the same cup. Need to keep some sort of sporting integrity imo
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I wonder what wid they have done if the two teams qualified for the Conference? Palace turfed oot?
 
Hammi said:
So do we need to hope Bournemouth don't keep threatening to qualify for Europe?
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Is this ever likely to be a problem?

The reason Lyon are getting the spot over Palace is that they finished 7th in their league and Palace finished 13th in theirs.

For us to get Europa through a league position we would need to finish 3rd or 4th. If Bournemouth did that in their league they'd be in the Champions League. Ditto if we got Conference finishing 4th or 5th, Bournemouth would have finished in a lower league position to get in the same competition. It would be them that got papped out, not us.

I suppose we could feasibly finish bottom six and win the Scottish Cup the same season Bournemouth finish 5th or 6th in the EPL but that's a lot of things that need to happen.
 
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Two Headed Boy said:
Is this ever likely to be a problem?

The reason Lyon are getting the spot over Palace is that they finished 7th in their league and Palace finished 13th in theirs.

For us to get Europa through a league position we would need to finish 3rd or 4th. If Bournemouth did that in their league they'd be in the Champions League. Ditto if we got Conference finishing 4th or 5th, Bournemouth would have finish lower than us to get in the same competition. It would be them that got papped out, not us.

I suppose we could feasibly finish bottom six and win the Scottish Cup the same season Bournemouth finish 5th or 6th in the EPL but that's a lot of things that need to happen.
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Ah, league position.. I thought it was highest ranked club, like through league strength or some such.

My thoughts were Bournemouth getting Europa conference football and us getting Europa conference football would see us bumped out for them.

Theoretically if we were owned like this at the time, and they qualified the year we won the cup, we wouldn't have got Europe?
 
I wonder what would happen if two clubs with common ownership qualified for different Euro competitions, then the first club dropped down into the second club’s competition?
 
AFCB Fan said:
It says "significant shares" in both clubs, so it depends on their bar for significant.
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From what I have read Textor bought 43% of the shares. They were bought as non voting shares. He was given 25% voting rights with the chairman Steve Parish having the final say in all votes. The EUFA state that multi owners should have no major influence on voting rights. His reason for selling up was his lack of influence in his investment. The goalposts have been moved several times and always in the direction of Lyon. They were relegated for financial discrepancies then re-instated after a cash injection. So one club can retrospectively reverse a decision while the other club, who also did this, by Textor selling up, don't get the same consideration.
Palace have have stated that an appeal is likely but that, I assume, will depend on the outcome of legal advice.

Apparantly Palace will now drop into the Conference League so at least a few excursions for the supporters.

Palace gained entry into Europe before by finishing 3rd in the top league but all English clubs were barred that season due to the Heysel disaster.
Lucky White Heather!

Anyway it's a warning not to jump into partnerships purely for investment. The current rules are as clear as my head was the morning after the FACup final.
 
Wishbone said:
From what I have read Textor bought 43% of the shares. They were bought as non voting shares. He was given 25% voting rights with the chairman Steve Parish having the final say in all votes. The EUFA state that multi owners should have no major influence on voting rights. His reason for selling up was his lack of influence in his investment. The goalposts have been moved several times and always in the direction of Lyon. They were relegated for financial discrepancies then re-instated after a cash injection. So one club can retrospectively reverse a decision while the other club, who also did this, by Textor selling up, don't get the same consideration.
Palace have have stated that an appeal is likely but that, I assume, will depend on the outcome of legal advice.

Apparantly Palace will now drop into the Conference League so at least a few excursions for the supporters.

Palace gained entry into Europe before by finishing 3rd in the top league but all English clubs were barred that season due to the Heysel disaster.
Lucky White Heather!

Anyway it's a warning not to jump into partnerships purely for investment. The current rules are as clear as my head was the morning after the FACup final.
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Ta fir shedding some light in the dark there W (y)
 
What would happen if teams were in play offs?

I’m guessing Lyon are into the group stages, but what if it was a play off and they could drop into the lower division

Or could they?
 
emerald green said:
Aye, the rules are pretty established in all this. The higher ranked club stays in the lower ranked (in this case Palace) dont.
No one from these clubs complains too much when these money men put their cash in and buy a stake.

Shan for the Palace fans, but we cant have 2 teams with the same owners playing in the same cup. Need to keep some sort of sporting integrity imo
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Don’t disagree, but didn’t two Red Bull teams play each other in Europe recently?
 
emerald green said:
Aye, the rules are pretty established in all this. The higher ranked club stays in the lower ranked (in this case Palace) dont.
No one from these clubs complains too much when these money men put their cash in and buy a stake.

Shan for the Palace fans, but we cant have 2 teams with the same owners playing in the same cup. Need to keep some sort of sporting integrity imo
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For once in fitba the rules are very clear. I can understand Palace being upset but they must have known this could happen. Also conference league offers them a better chance of going far in the competition. Europa league much tougher and can't see them making a dent in it.
 
Young porty said:
For once in fitba the rules are very clear. I can understand Palace being upset but they must have known this could happen. Also conference league offers them a better chance of going far in the competition. Europa league much tougher and can't see them making a dent in it.
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The rules appear to be interpreted differently for each club. Textor never had any influence on board decisions which was why he had been trying to sell his shares for the last couple of years.
How can EUFA reverse a relegation (Lyon), caused by financial discrepancies, on appeal because of a new cash injection (after the event)? They just make it up as they go along (unless there was more than one cash injection :grinning-smiley-045:).
Yeah, I'm biased but Palace are taking the option to appeal the decision (so I read this morming in a statement from the chairman). It worked for Lyon so let's see how it goes for Palace.

Here is a statement from a Palace shareholder and consortium member giving a fuller background.
 

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southfieldhibby said:
Don’t disagree, but didn’t two Red Bull teams play each other in Europe recently?
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you could well be right....and if you are, then i would think there is recourse for CPFC ?

quick chec;, Salzburg and Liepzig

In my post when I said the rules were pretty established, i must have meant established in my head, and even then, only one sentence of the rules, with nae idea there had been a precedence :gigglle:
 
Dier - 1558 said:
So what’s the reasoning for not doing it now ?.
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Well if it's so they don't look stupid I think they've left it a tad late. It appears that it was so difficult to make a decision that they need to scrap it and use a different approach altogether. They have only punished clubs for small(ish) misdemeanours and let all the big boys off with fines. They are looking more and more like Sepp Blatter's FIFA as time goes by.
 
Wishbone said:
Well if it's so they don't look stupid I think they've left it a tad late. It appears that it was so difficult to make a decision that they need to scrap it and use a different approach altogether. They have only punished clubs for small(ish) misdemeanours and let all the big boys off with fines. They are looking more and more like Sepp Blatter's FIFA as time goes by.
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Indeed Infantino, son of Blatter !
 
Dier - 1558 said:
Indeed Infantino, son of Blatter !
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It seems, to me, that it's either the brown envelope strategy or incompetence (via outside influence) and I'm inclined, in this case, to go with the latter (even though it rhymes with Blatter). Palace will have plenty of backing in the appeal but whatever happens they can't take away the FA Cup.
But I'm not bitter. :coffee1:
 
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