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SlovSam

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It would be fair criticism of the Scottish government 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to ask why they seem to be failing to improve the number of tests.

I have no idea why 3rd April is so high (lag info maybe) but they were aiming for a capacity of 3,500 tests a day by the end April which doesn't mean they should do that number but it should be much closer than it is.😣
 

Jack

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It would be fair criticism of the Scottish government 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to ask why they seem to be failing to improve the number of tests.

I have no idea why 3rd April is so high (lag info maybe) but they were aiming for a capacity of 3,500 tests a day by the end April which doesn't mean they should do that number but it should be much closer than it is.😣
The evidence is that we won't be getting on top of the virus until we have mass testing. All those caring need it for their own safety and so they can carry on working safely. It identifies who's got it, who needs to isolate and where the hot spots are.

3,500 tests a day just isn't good enough. It would take 4 years to cover the population.
 

Purple & Green

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It would be fair criticism of the Scottish government 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to ask why they seem to be failing to improve the number of tests.

I have no idea why 3rd April is so high (lag info maybe) but they were aiming for a capacity of 3,500 tests a day by the end April which doesn't mean they should do that number but it should be much closer than it is.😣
What strikes me as well is the huge proportion of negative tests?

Are we testing the wrong people if they are going to likely be negative?

Are the tests wrong?
 

SlovSam

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What strikes me as well is the huge proportion of negative tests?

Are we testing the wrong people if they are going to likely be negative?

Are the tests wrong?
I don't know much about this area but the testing is mostly in hospitals and there is quite a high bar to be admitted so you would have to have lot of obvious symptoms so agreed would have expected many more positive cases.🤔

The evidence is that we won't be getting on top of the virus until we have mass testing. All those caring need it for their own safety and so they can carry on working safely. It identifies who's got it, who needs to isolate and where the hot spots are.

3,500 tests a day just isn't good enough. It would take 4 years to cover the population.
The exit strategy is going have to come from Public Health England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 via the UK Government.

That debate is raging behind the scenes at the moment of mass testing v herd strategy while the lockdown buys the boffins time.

Presently herd strategy by stealth seems to be winning so lockdown 1 then release and see what happens then lockdown 2/3/4 but less restrictive if required. Beef up the NHS and just manage the death toll.🤔

Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 doesn't have proper borders by land or air so can't go it alone like say New Zealand or Norway who seem to be veering towards mass testing.

It still doesn't explain why both Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and Englands 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 test ratios still look so poor though.

As you say there must be many vulnerable groups like say care home workers who would benefit enormously from being tested.
 
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Amsterdam

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I don't know much about this area but the testing is mostly in hospitals and there is quite a high bar to be admitted so you would have to have lot of obvious symptoms so agreed would have expected many more positive cases.🤔



The exit strategy is going have to come from Public Health England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 via the UK Government.

That debate is raging behind the scenes at the moment of mass testing v herd strategy while the lockdown buys the boffins time.

Presently herd strategy by stealth seems to be winning so lockdown 1 then release and see what happens then lockdown 2/3/4 but less restrictive if required. Beef up the NHS and just manage the death toll.🤔

Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 doesn't have proper borders by land or air so can't go it alone like say New Zealand or Norway who seem to be veering towards mass testing.

It still doesn't explain why both Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and Englands 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 test ratios still look so poor though.

As you say there must be many vulnerable groups like say care home workers who would benefit enormously from being tested.
I agree with what you have said above Sam, have felt this way from the start. Low testing figures & no mention of Contact Tracing equals Herd Immunity.
 

Amsterdam

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What strikes me as well is the huge proportion of negative tests?

Are we testing the wrong people if they are going to likely be negative?

Are the tests wrong?
My thought on this is cynical perhaps. I think that a number of tests will have been performed on people report that they have symptoms, just to get tested.
Also, from first hand knowledge of a relative involved, the tests are not always showing a correct reading. One patient tested negative on first test, sent home. Next day brought back in only to test positive.
 

Westside Green

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My thought on this is cynical perhaps. I think that a number of tests will have been performed on people report that they have symptoms, just to get tested.
Also, from first hand knowledge of a relative involved, the tests are not always showing a correct reading. One patient tested negative on first test, sent home. Next day brought back in only to test positive.
70% accuracy leaves a lot of people with the wrong result. Anybody know if the error shows both ways?
 

Amsterdam

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1,134 tests done in last 24 hours, still no sign of the ’ramping up’ of testing to 1,900 a day never mind 3,500 a day.
 

Jack

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What strikes me as well is the huge proportion of negative tests?

Are we testing the wrong people if they are going to likely be negative?

Are the tests wrong?
Am I bored or what?

Falling down a rabbit hole of covid articles I came across this little snippet from some Asian country ...

"A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results."

I've no idea if the same is true for the UK but it might explain the huge proportion you speak of.
 

Greenmachine

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NHS just isn't equipped to carry out the volume of testing required..
 

SlovSam

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Quite a clever use of graphics here though the results are a bit of a mixed bag with the numbers in Scottish hospitals going up but Intensive care Unit patients showing a welcome drop.

Trends are more important than daily movements but we seem to be bobbing along towards a peak but with no discernible drop in either hospital or ICU patients.
 

SlovSam

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Given most of us will live in Lothian
(population 900,000) then this gives more perspective to the numbers.

Numbers in Lothian hospitals: 277
Numbers in ICU's : 40

The Lothian hospitals then aren't swamped and overrun and in fact will have empty wards and empty beds and empty ICU 's in reasonable numbers.
 
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SlovSam

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Another miserable day on the testing front and the more important general trend is equally misreable.😡

The reason might be a lack of cartridges as the Western Isles MP was getting upset about this as they have a real chance at making their islands a Covid-19 free area.

You wouldn't know from the daily Scottish press briefings as one journalist actually asked the question.

"What advice would you give to the people of Scotland over the Easter weekend?."🤡

FFS. So what reply did you expect the First Minister to give.🤔

Hold power to account and don't waste everyone's time with the Fckn obvious
 
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greencol

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We have to stop people walking off planes and not being tested. One person walking onto a plane with the virus could mean 100 walking off the plane with the virus.
The ITV reporter Debbie Edward's visited Wuhan in midweek.
She was returning to Beijing after her report in Wuhan.
She had to be tested on leaving Wuhan , and tested on arriving in Beijing.
Even if those tests were negative which they were, she has to isolate for 14 days.
We have to get pro active.
 

Purple & Green

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Im really concerned about the use of statistics here - on the face of it 24,313 should mean separate individuals tested - but I'm certain it isn't and contains multiple tests on the same people. Equally 542 deaths - which we know must be individuals, you can't die twice - compared to 5590 positive tests would suggest that 10% who contract the virus die.

That is just garbage, when we know the figures from around the rest of the world are around 1% of victims die.

Now, what I'm being told is when multiple deaths are happening in care homes, they firstly aren't being recorded as COVID19 and secondly tests aren't being carried out, so we might never know the full extent.

But, to extrapolate from the figure of 542 deaths, we could reasonably expect 50,000 positive cases or 1% of the Scottish population. Now, there are a barrowload of assumptions with those figures, and I'm not putting them forward as empirical evidence, but it raises huge concerns where we are with the virus and what is likely to be the path ahead.

Frankly, listening to Matt Hancock this morning filled me with terror. I think @SlovSam is bang on the money here - we need our journalists to be asking difficult questions and holding power to account.
 

Jack

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According to the emotional Inverness Chairman this afternoon he was in communication with the other No voting clubs all yesterday afternoon and he gave a timeline as follows and has evidence that.

13:50pm: Partick Thistle voted No.

16:24pm: Dundee voted No.

16:39pm: Inverness voted No.

16:52pm: Dundee have definitely voted No confirmed by Dundee secretary to Inverness Chairman.

SPFL say they never received the Dundee vote.

18:00: Dundee secretary confirmed vote was sent but then wanted to resubmit it but was told not to.

Sometime then after 18:00 Dundee sent an email to SPFL saying do not consider our vote.

Dundee have now went underground and aren't speaking to anyone.

FCK me some fall out here which stinks and stinks😡
You really will have to get out more and use other threads :47:
 

Power

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Holding @Power to account is a tad harsh too. By all means criticise him for the Lycra, but Corona is even more of a stretch.
Ach, why no 🤪

In all seriousness, I’m bashing my heid against a wall with the disregard to advice and guidance on exercise from some of the local population (I’m on the committee of my local 🚴🏻‍♂️ club) -
It’s time for common sense, going for a short walk or run locally, or a short bike ride, not spending time on your favourite sport or hobby.
Thankfully Hibs is a ‘distraction’ from getting pulled into that rant.
 
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