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SlovSam

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Intereresting read and for the North of Ireland you could also read Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ.

Earlier and stronger lockdowns does seem to save many more lives but so does Ireland's aggressive policy of test, test, test then trace and isolate.โœ”

Public Health England ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ and the UK Government dictated and still dictate the overall strategy which got off to such a disastrous start but Scottish Governments ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ record on testing is a shocker so far with no sign of improving.๐Ÿ˜”
 
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SlovSam

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A nice positive Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ table showing how few people are in Intensive care units as well as various other stats.

500 ICU's now available in Scotland and even with the second wave of infections in a few months time that is one area government has got right.โœ”๐Ÿ‘

Same in England ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ as well where from a standing start they managed to put the physical infrastructure at least in place in a very short place of time.โœ”๐Ÿ‘
 

SlovSam

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Ambulance chasing again ๐Ÿ˜‰ and its sometimes the obscure graph that are the most revealing.

Speaks for itself.โœ”๐Ÿ‘

Beautiful weather and a hard weekend coming up for the people of Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ but nearly 5 weeks in and impressive observance so far.๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
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SlovSam

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Still no evidence that Scotland is getting to grips with testing as they have a target of 3,500 a day by end April but so far are getting nowhere near.๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Lack of tests, lack of cartridges was the original problem but that was weeks ago.

Test and trace and isolate is meant to be the key to coming out of the cycle of lockdown, restart, lockdown 2 , restart, lockdown 3.

Still to be convinced the strategists and heidbummer scientists in SAGE advising Public Health England ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟaren't going for herd immunity in a gradual manner anyway.

It was a bit of a relevation that Scots and Welsh goverments only input to strategy is submitting written questions in advance.๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Herd immunity being contentious as WHO say having had the virus doesn't neccessarily mean you are now immune without being definite as they don't know either.๐Ÿ˜ฅ
 
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SlovSam

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This is a rather a sombre chart as its so easy forget in the raft of statistics that these are people lives that are no longer with us.๐Ÿ˜ฅ.

It does indicate the countries that have been hit hardest though maybe surprising where USA is given all the bad publicity it receives.

This maybe indicates that a lot of the State Governors such as California were far more informed and proactive than their President seemed to be.,๐Ÿค”

Australia and New Zealand (not shown) used their histotical knowledge from nearby Asian countries to great effect.๐Ÿ‘
 

PILTONSTANY

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Purple & Green

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if that's accurate it hasn't even peaked yet in England - and deaths are now being openly spoken in the tory press as being in excess of 40,000. That sounds suspiciously like this government will have wiped out 100,000 people in the first wave. They surely can't survive this? In any kind of civilized society they should be facing criminal charges.
 

SlovSam

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if that's accurate it hasn't even peaked yet in England - and deaths are now being openly spoken in the tory press as being in excess of 40,000. That sounds suspiciously like this government will have wiped out 100,000 people in the first wave. They surely can't survive this? In any kind of civilized society they should be facing criminal charges.
I had that same graphic and was trying to authenticate it and it did seem to come from a reputable and well reserached organization.โœ”๐Ÿ‘

I never really follow the English ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟnews conferences as they are bland and devoid of any detail and mostly reassuring sound bites for people who like that sort thing.

It is still "only" around 35,000 deaths for England ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ being forecast on other models though their current official figures of 20,000 need something like 8,000 added on for care homes and deaths at home.๐Ÿ˜ฅ.

If you follow the Financial Times they already are predicting 41,000 to 43,000 at this moment in time which is pretty staggering and heart breaking for so many๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜ฅ.

It would be so many more as its been forgotten that it was the English football leagues that called time on their league not the government who wanted another weekend of fixtures with millions mixing and taking part in mass gatherings.๐Ÿ™„

I don't as habit watch SKY, ITV or the State broadcaster but they did seem a bit reticent to openingly critisise and scrutinise decision making and most print media know exactly where their bread is butterred so I wouldn't expect much in the way government fallout.

There is something about the English mentality where the "Blitz Spirit", "War heroes" and exceptionslism as in they know best which seems to blind them to actual hard reality.
 
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SlovSam

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Another depressing graph this time demonstrating the rise in cases and the vulnerability of residents in care homes.๐Ÿ˜ฅ.

Care homes seem to account for around 1/3 of all deaths but I don't understand how that figure is so high.๐Ÿค”.

Don't the care home victims show severe signs of Covid-19 illness over a few days and are then transferred to hospital ๐Ÿฅ for treatment.โ“

That doesn't seem to happen and they seem to die within the care home envirinment and not accounted for until they feed through to National Records of Scotland figures at a later date.
 

SlovSam

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Its hard to interpret these graphs except they show that patients in intensive care are now happily at very low levels.๐Ÿ‘

Lothian with a population of 900,000 has only 16 people in intensive care and Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ as a whole 108 so obviously the peak has now passed.โœ”

Surprisingly though the number of patients in hospital hasn't moved in the same downward direction quite as steeply.๐Ÿค”

I wonder why this is.โ“

Maybe they have lowered the bar for hospital admissions and you don't need to be quite as ill to be admitted.๐Ÿค”
 

Sheldrake07

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Not a fkn scooby to begin with and even with patience and good eyesight still toiling.๐Ÿ˜‰
That is a really interesting diagram, some observations though:
  • Note England and Wales included as well as UK
  • England and Wales has had bigger decreases than UK, seems strange as they are the lions share of the population and the cases
  • US hasn't had a decrease in daily rates and is still going up
  • UK and Eng and Wal are back on the increase side of the table
I wasn't sure if these figures are raw or per capita.

Sometimes though i think we can over complicate things with too many pictures, the two graphs that are most informative for me are deaths (all) and hospital admissions - whilst neither figure is comprehensive we can understand trends from them. But the danger, in my opinion, with that is a virus doesn't pay attention to trends and even if we have zero of either for months that does not mean to say there is no threat from the virus. I fear that Government will make decisions based on the trends rather than risk.
 

Purple & Green

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Redraw the graphs with a zero starting point on the y axis and they will be much easier to understand.

Not entirely sure why one is decreasing slowly and one is dropping more steadily - maybe incubation periods, and timing of lockdown.

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Its hard to interpret these graphs except they show that patients in intensive care are now happily at very low levels.๐Ÿ‘

Lothian with a population of 900,000 has only 16 people in intensive care and Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ as a whole 108 so obviously the peak has now passed.โœ”

Surprisingly though the number of patients in hospital hasn't moved in the same downward direction quite as steeply.๐Ÿค”

I wonder why this is.โ“

Maybe they have lowered the bar for hospital admissions and you don't need to be quite as ill to be admitted.๐Ÿค”
 

SlovSam

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Scotland compared ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ with a rich country like Ireland ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช or a super duper rich country such as Norway ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ด doesn't make good reading.,๐Ÿ˜ฅ

They test more, they are more in control and they have less deaths and they will have less economic damage.

See same for other neighbours such as Denmark or Iceland.๐Ÿ˜ฅ
 

Purple & Green

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Inverclyde is Scottish worst affected region? I know someone who was tested. They are high risk, but that wasnโ€™t why they were tested. Oh no. It was because their spouse is an nhs worker, and they didnโ€™t want the spouse self isolating unless the person actually had the virus.
 

SlovSam

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Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ seems to be bobbing along this plateau just now and is probably admitting more people into hospital on a precautionary basis while not as many seem to end up in intensive care.๐Ÿ‘

The problem Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ has is testing as it just can't seem to raise this to an appropriate level to justify raising the lockdown.๐Ÿค”.

I don't follow England๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ hospital numbers but they messed up politically by targetting 100,000 tests per day and by sleight of hand achieved this by including tests "in the post".

In reality they weren't even close.so both countries are trapped in this limited lockdown with no escape route as their testing capability is grim.๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Testing, Trace and Isolate is what the Asian countries had set up years ago and the well managed other countries such as Denmark, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Norway, Australia and Baltic States hit the ground running on months ago.
 
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SlovSam

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For UK it is is easier to read England๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ given that is the vast majority of the statistics but Scotland๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ new cases look consistent.

If you add on the English death toll of somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 and there lack of testing which is well below the meaningless figure of 100,000 then you wonder where they are getting their justification for easing the lockdown as leaked all over today's English papers ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ๐Ÿค”.

"Herd immunity" if that even exists by stealth still seems to be their policy and given opinion polls ratings of 50% plus then the English ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ public dont seem to disagree no matter the death toll.
 
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