Corona virus on its own thread.

[Gareth]

Where are your figures from?

Mine are from the Office of National Statistics.

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Thats all excess winter deaths I think, so includes things like pneumonia, which is what often kills ultimately very ill people. The real flu numbers are much much smaller, as shown here Covid and flu: what do the numbers tell us about morbidity and deaths?

 

[bigmanandy]

While I agree with the world roll out in principal, I've said as much on here a number of times, there are issues not related to the lack of vaccine being supplied.

Some countries around the world appear to have a general reluctance to take the vaccine for among other reasons a mistrust of their governments. This seems to be the case particularly in Africa where reports earlier stated 1,000s of vaccine doses were being dumped as they passed their use by date. In cases like this I can only see the herd immunity thing being achieved by the virus going through their respective populations.

Theres a real anti Vax mentality in alot of African countries due to blaming of past vaccines for other conditions down the years on illnesses etc

 

[aggie]

Or possibly passing the disease on to a older/vulnerable relative or friend

Why do so many people still think that vaccines prevent you catching and/or passing on Covid?

Newsflash: they don’t.

 

[tayside hibee]

Why do so many people still think that vaccines prevent you catching and/or passing on Covid?

Newsflash: they don’t.

Most people know this. The vaccines however should mean you have weaker symptoms and pass on less of a viral load.

Why do people think the world has ganged up and trying to convince people to take this evil vaccine.

 

[hibadelic]

Why do so many people still think that vaccines prevent you catching and/or passing on Covid?

Newsflash: they don’t.

Newsflash: That's just bollocks put out by conspiracy nuts such as Neil Oliver.

You can still get infected and transmit covid if fully vaccinated but the chances are reduced for both.

Covid-19 vaccines do offer some protection against transmission and infection - Full Fact

Neil Oliver recently incorrectly said that Covid-19 vaccines don’t offer any protection against transmission or infection from the virus.

fullfact.org

How good are the coronavirus vaccines at blocking transmission?

Some covid-19 vaccines seem to excel at stopping the virus spreading as well as preventing disease, but vaccines alone still might not be enough to achieve herd immunity

www.newscientist.com

How effective are vaccines against omicron? An epidemiologist answers 6 questions

For a number of reasons, as time goes on vaccines become less effective. So how do researchers calculate how well vaccines are working?

theconversation.com

 

[aggie]

Newsflash: That's just bollocks put out by conspiracy nuts such as Neil Oliver.

You can still get infected and transmit covid if fully vaccinated but the chances are reduced for both.

Covid-19 vaccines do offer some protection against transmission and infection - Full Fact

Neil Oliver recently incorrectly said that Covid-19 vaccines don’t offer any protection against transmission or infection from the virus.

fullfact.org

How good are the coronavirus vaccines at blocking transmission?

Some covid-19 vaccines seem to excel at stopping the virus spreading as well as preventing disease, but vaccines alone still might not be enough to achieve herd immunity

www.newscientist.com

How effective are vaccines against omicron? An epidemiologist answers 6 questions

For a number of reasons, as time goes on vaccines become less effective. So how do researchers calculate how well vaccines are working?

theconversation.com

What the fuck are you on about? You've just confirmed exactly what I said; i.e. you of course can still get infected and transmit Covid when fully vaccinated.

I'm not denying that the chances are reduced. I'm responding to people who apparently think they can't catch/transmit at all if vaccinated.

 

[hibadelic]

What the fuck are you on about? You've just confirmed exactly what I said; i.e. you of course can still get infected and transmit Covid when fully vaccinated.

I'm not denying that the chances are reduced. I'm responding to people who apparently think they can't catch/transmit at all if vaccinated.

You said they don't prevent you catching or passing on the virus. That's not true. They can and do prevent people getting infected or transmitting it.

 

[aggie]

You said they don't prevent you catching or passing on the virus. That's not true. They can and do prevent people getting infected or transmitting it.

Okay, for clarity: if you are vaccinated, you can still catch Covid and pass it on. Vaccines can and do mitigate the likelihood of that happening, but are very, very far from the cast-iron guarantee many folk seem to think they are. Happy with that?

Grade A pedantry, in any case -- you know fine well what I meant.

 

[hibadelic]

Okay, for clarity: if you are vaccinated, you can still catch Covid and pass it on. Vaccines can and do mitigate the likelihood of that happening, but are very, very far from the cast-iron guarantee many folk seem to think they are. Happy with that?

Grade A pedantry, in any case -- you know fine well what I meant.

I don't see anything pedantic about it. Fair enough, you didn't mean what you wrote but it wasn't obvious what you did mean IMO. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Jack]

Where are your figures from?

Mine are from the Office of National Statistics.

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It would be easy to get all caught up with this. The extract above relates to all excess winter deaths, not just flu, which I think was how the discussion started. Apologies if I picked this up incorrectly.

I read the above report some time ago when it was picked up by the press and read further, see below the part I think is related to flu. My reading of it was respiratory diseases, including flu, would only account for about a third of EWD.

"Respiratory diseases remained the most prominent underlying cause of excess winter deaths (EWD) with 84.9% more respiratory deaths in the winter months compared with the non-winter months in 2017 to 2018. This equates to 17,400 EWD caused by respiratory diseases and accounted for 34.7% of all EWD.

The EWM index for respiratory diseases in 2017 to 2018 was statistically significantly higher in all years since 2000 to 2001. Of these excess respiratory deaths, pneumonia (specifically ICD-10 code J18) and chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases (specifically ICD-10 code J44) accounted for the largest proportions. The prominence of pneumonia is likely related to the relationship between EWM and a range of bacterial and viral respiratory pathogens including influenza."

Excess winter mortality in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Excess winter mortality in England and Wales, by region, sex, age group and local authority.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Smurf]

Perhaps some positive news in Nicola Sturgeon saying we are going to need to learn to live with Covid-19? Might mean daft restrictions like banning fitba fans sitting outside in the freezing cauld are ended....

 

[PILTONSTANY]

 

[PILTONSTANY]

Perhaps some positive news in Nicola Sturgeon saying we are going to need to learn to live with Covid-19? Might mean daft restrictions like banning fitba fans sitting outside in the freezing cauld are ended....

She probably did Hibs a favour,we’ve signed players that wouldn’t have played…

 

[eckmf]

Seems like it's be more effective to reduce fuel poverty, sleeping on the streets, insulate homes etc.

Do these figures not include folk that passed from circulatory disease, dementia and Alzheimer’s, folk freezing to death in shop door ways and starving to death in freezing homes, figures for flu deaths are and will never be near those attributed to Covid.

 

[bigmanandy]

Perhaps some positive news in Nicola Sturgeon saying we are going to need to learn to live with Covid-19? Might mean daft restrictions like banning fitba fans sitting outside in the freezing cauld are ended....

Apparently the beaks at the SPFL are sweating as NS may well extend restrictions sadly.

 

[1875]

My oldest laddie who works at the Queen Elizabeth in Glasgow, testing the PCR tests that come back has just been diagnosed with Covid for a second time.

 

[hibbybilly]

The missus has just tested positive, I have just tested negative, should I self isolate? I’m fully vaccinated.

 

[hibadelic]

My oldest laddie who works at the Queen Elizabeth in Glasgow, testing the PCR tests that come back has just been diagnosed with Covid for a second time.

Sorry to hear that, M. Hope he's okay.

My eldest son also positive this week. Likely to spread to rest of family and his wee brother aged six who just had it in December.

 

[hibadelic]

The missus has just tested positive, I have just tested negative, should I self isolate? I’m fully vaccinated.

You probably don't have to provided you test daily. Test and trace can advise for sure but that's the situation I'm in.

 

[hibbybilly]

You probably don't have to provided you test daily. Test and trace can advise for sure but that's the situation I'm in.

Cheers bud