Corona virus on its own thread.

[hibadelic]

Must admit I don't feel particularly hysterical after reading that - do people really think it's stirring up hysteria?

No. It's a dumb question though as he couldn't possibly know the answer. I expect the first cases from Sunday will start to be found fairly soon...

 

[Greenmachine]

Not a fan of Swinney at all, but what he said last week has been totally misinterpreted by the media, and blown up to be something it wasn't.

 

[Zab]

I don't think it was either speculation or open to interpretation. I might see if I can find the interview to confirm.

It was, he said “it could be” - that’s the definition of speculation in my book. Shouldn’t be saying anything if he doesn’t know.

 

[Jack]

Some do it appears. I didn't tremble with rage. No more than the usual tremors and shouty fit anyway.

Pretty beige stuff from Swinney.

I would describe Swinney as beige. Pretty and Swinney should never be in the same sentence, although I've never seen his wife. Maybe you know better.

 

[Doc Shrink]

I would describe Swinney as beige. Pretty and Swinney should never be in the same sentence, although I've never seen his wife. Maybe you know better.

No, I don’t think you have seen his wife.

 

[Davy]

That's not necessarily true for a virus like Covid which can spread pretty effectively before symptoms even start. It happens with viruses that cause rapid illness and death because if you're dead or lying in your bed sick you can't spread it so the transmission chain dies.

Yes but with this virus, unless there is a china style lockdown in the whole world, it is going nowhere and our best chance is in an absolute vaccine that kills it or that it weakens as appears to be happening.

 

[Davy]

Like someone else said the german market has thousands at it as well as many other events yet they pick on football. Sid all these people travel in their own car? I doubt it

 

[Rocky]

Yes but with this virus, unless there is a china style lockdown in the whole world, it is going nowhere and our best chance is inan absolute vaccine that kills it or that it weakens as appears to be happening.

Absolutely, and you can bet that there'll be various government labs genetically engineering a super transmissible but fairly benign version of the virus right now with a view to releasing it into the wild in the unlikely event that things get much worse. Much quicker to spread something like that round the world than it is to vaccinate everybody.

I'm all for trusting the scientists but not sure I'm quite ready for that kind of thing yet though.so I hope it doesn't come to that. I reckon that'll be the solution to pandemics at some point in the future though.

 

[Rocky]

Like someone else said the german market has thousands at it as well as many other events yet they pick on football. Sid all these people travel in their own car? I doubt it

Football doesn't have much of a leg to stand on unfortunately when 95% of the crowds ignore the mandatory mask wearing.

 

[Doc Shrink]

Football doesn't have much of a leg to stand on unfortunately when 95% of the crowds ignore the mandatory mask wearing.

Asda should also be closed.

 

[bigmanandy]

Omicron 70 percent less likely to need hospital admission, a mild disease like the cold.

 

[hibadelic]

Omicron 70 percent less likely to need hospital admission, a mild disease like the cold.

Unless you're part of the 30% and especially if you're one of the ones who die.

 

[Davy]

Unless you're part of the 30% and especially if you're one of the ones who die.

But where is the solution, or where does it end? Genuine question not trying to wind people up.

We were told the vaccine would see us back to normal by summer...last year.

We were then told actually it doesnt stop you catching or spreading covid but two vaccines are enough

We were told a booster would be required, now we are hearing Israel is considering a 4th vaccine..we are now told the vaccine is losing potency after 10 weeks, therefore vaccines could be indefinite until a cure. Which might be fine if we could ggt back to normality but we wint.

We will come out this period and possibly told the virus has mutated again and spreading quicker.. its like a fibre optic of the virus world.

We are told the people who wont get vaccinated are a danger to others because they wont get vaccinated..then there was a rebuff of that because even people with the vaccine can spread it. However we are told now that the unvaccinated will fill the hospitals..dome countries like Austria arw virtually taking away the choice of yes or no..despite people being told there will be no pressure.

Even if we bring the R number down, come spring it will probably rise again as people once again mix. It appears we could do this for a long long time until this pattern stops, meanwhile scaremongering goes on.

I dont dispute people die, I do wonder as we move forward how many people would have died within a couple of mo tha anyway due to other health issues.

I am I no way trying to say deaths do not matter, but I do think they also need to be counted against other factors like social isolation, mental health problems, poor quality of life particularly in peoples last couple of years. Alcoholism and drug use increasing, workers being laid off and businesses crashing..suicides, mental and physical illnesses can be a result of any of these issues also.

These of course are issues the goverment (all goverments) are wrestling with.
I do not envy them but I do not think continual lockdown is the answer

 

[Jack]

Unless you're part of the 30% and especially if you're one of the ones who die.

Most likely to have not been jagged I'm sure I read somewhere. Martyrs to the cause! What a waste.

 

[hibadelic]

But where is the solution, or where does it end? Genuine question not trying to wind people up.

We were told the vaccine would see us back to normal by summer...last year.

We were then told actually it doesnt stop you catching or spreading covid but two vaccines are enough

We were told a booster would be required, now we are hearing Israel is considering a 4th vaccine..we are now told the vaccine is losing potency after 10 weeks, therefore vaccines could be indefinite until a cure. Which might be fine if we could ggt back to normality but we wint.

We will come out this period and possibly told the virus has mutated again and spreading quicker.. its like a fibre optic of the virus world.

We are told the people who wont get vaccinated are a danger to others because they wont get vaccinated..then there was a rebuff of that because even people with the vaccine can spread it. However we are told now that the unvaccinated will fill the hospitals..dome countries like Austria arw virtually taking away the choice of yes or no..despite people being told there will be no pressure.

Even if we bring the R number down, come spring it will probably rise again as people once again mix. It appears we could do this for a long long time until this pattern stops, meanwhile scaremongering goes on.

I dont dispute people die, I do wonder as we move forward how many people would have died within a couple of mo tha anyway due to other health issues.

I am I no way trying to say deaths do not matter, but I do think they also need to be counted against other factors like social isolation, mental health problems, poor quality of life particularly in peoples last couple of years. Alcoholism and drug use increasing, workers being laid off and businesses crashing..suicides, mental and physical illnesses can be a result of any of these issues also.

These of course are issues the goverment (all goverments) are wrestling with.
I do not envy them but I do not think continual lockdown is the answer

I'd tend to agree with a lot of that Davy. I was really just pointing out the idiocy of suggesting it's just a cold.

I don't think anyone has a solution. The situation is increasingly politicised and the politicians don't have a clue what to do and seem paralysed in any action beyond vaccines. People are fed up and even normally intelligent, media savvy individuals are latching onto pish put out by the likes of George Galloway and worse. The chants by the young sheep team show the levels of disenfranchisement among certain sections of the younger generation.

I think that the outcome of Omicron will have a big impact on how we handle the pandemic in future. If it turns out we've overreacted, future restrictions will be very difficult. Conversely, if it's the shit-storm we're expecting, we'll see more of what's been happening for the previous two years.

I don't think either outcome is particularly desirable.

 

[Jack]

We were told the vaccine would see us back to normal by summer...last year

No we weren't. The vaccine has never been the route oot. It's always been part of the solution.

No-one can predict what this evil wee fucker of a virus will do one week to the next never mind months, a year in the future.

Two things, which I've mentioned here before.

It's not just about people dying.​

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If huge numbers of people are off sick or isolating society could crumble. The NHS, care homes, transport, food supply chains, electricity/gas/water systems, law and order etc. will fail to function as required. Its bad enough now with the collateral damage. I'd hate to think of what would happen if ...​

 

[hibadelic]

No we weren't. The vaccine has never been the route oot. It's always been part of the solution.

No-one can predict what this evil wee fucker of a virus will do one week to the next never mind months, a year in the future.

Two things, which I've mentioned here before.

It's not just about people dying.​

​

If huge numbers of people are off sick or isolating society could crumble. The NHS, care homes, transport, food supply chains, electricity/gas/water systems, law and order etc. will fail to function as required. Its bad enough now with the collateral damage. I'd hate to think of what would happen if ...​

Not being funny but what's the other part of the solution?

 

[Jack]

Not being funny but what's the other part of the solution?

All the other stuff that's going on. From the restrictions we're all suffering from to the anti viral tablets and other medical interventions there are to fight the virus.

 

[Smurf]

A bad flu season kills around 30,000. Once we get beyond Covid as a pandemic do we implement restrictions to counter a bad flu season?

 

[hibadelic]

All the other stuff that's going on. From the restrictions we're all suffering from to the anti viral tablets and other medical interventions there are to fight the virus.

I don't think that sounds like a very coherent strategy. Restrictions in this country are only reactive. In medical interventions / medicines you're putting your faith in future discoveries. So what is the proactive activity beyond vaccines that will move us on from the pandemic?

I haven't heard anything convincing from politicians or scientists BTW so if we come up with an answer here, it could be big