Can we challenge near the top this season?

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Zab

Admin
Absolutely not and if that happens he is a failure in my opinion.

Finishing 4th from where we are now would be a failure for sure.

Winning a cup is never easy, it requires a combination of luck and timing. Both cups this season presented us with highly favourable final 4s, we failed in the league cup. We need to at least go one better and reach the Scottish Cup final.

The progress under Jack Ross has been pretty good to me, so his position shouldn’t be under threat going into next season. That said there are clear deficiencies in the squad, between Ross and Mathie they have to make the right signings this summer - not just ability but some characters/leaders/winners.
 

The Family

Capital Radge
Finishing 4th from where we are now would be a failure for sure.

Winning a cup is never easy, it requires a combination of luck and timing. Both cups this season presented us with highly favourable final 4s, we failed in the league cup. We need to at least go one better and reach the Scottish Cup final.

The progress under Jack Ross has been pretty good to me, so his position shouldn’t be under threat going into next season. That said there are clear deficiencies in the squad, between Ross and Mathie they have to make the right signings this summer - not just ability but some characters/leaders/winners.

Going by how shite the league has been this season if he fails to secure 3rd and loses yet another semi final, what is going to change going forward?

Do we just accept it, or do we match Ron’s ambitions to be the third force in Scottish football, Sunderland didn’t fuck about so why should we?
 

Zab

Admin
Going by how shite the league has been this season if he fails to secure 3rd and loses yet another semi final, what is going to change going forward?

Do we just accept it, or do we match Ron’s ambitions to be the third force in Scottish football, Sunderland didn’t fuck about so why should we?

This is only his first full season in charge, there’s enough progress been made from where we were prior to his arrival to suggest that he can build on this season. Another summer transfer window, another pre-season etc.

Suggesting we go back to square one doesn’t make sense to me, not when we’re trying to become regular challengers. That requires consistency. I genuinely think that if anyone’s position at Hibs is under review, it should be Graeme Mathie - he’s ultimately responsible for the transfer business which has left us with only 2 strikers and no creative midfielders.

As for Sunderland... I really hope Ron Gordon has no intentions of running Hibernian anything like that utter shambles of a football club.
 

Rocky

Well-Known Radge
Going by how shite the league has been this season if he fails to secure 3rd and loses yet another semi final, what is going to change going forward?

Do we just accept it, or do we match Ron’s ambitions to be the third force in Scottish football, Sunderland didn’t fuck about so why should we?
So you accept that in this covid season that all teams have been shite but you expect Hibs to be immune to that?
 

The Family

Capital Radge
This is only his first full season in charge, there’s enough progress been made from where we were prior to his arrival to suggest that he can build on this season. Another summer transfer window, another pre-season etc.

Suggesting we go back to square one doesn’t make sense to me, not when we’re trying to become regular challengers. That requires consistency. I genuinely think that if anyone’s position at Hibs is under review, it should be Graeme Mathie - he’s ultimately responsible for the transfer business which has left us with only 2 strikers and no creative midfielders.

As for Sunderland... I really hope Ron Gordon has no intentions of running Hibernian anything like that utter shambles of a football club.

He has had plenty of time to work on different formations, he should have learned from his mistakes at Sunderland but he hasn’t. As others have said teams have worked his one formation out, when that goes tits up he has no plan B. How long did it take him to work out Boyler’s best position? Puts players in their wrong positions to accommodate players who are inconsistent.

Your right about Mathie and the recruitment team as I mentioned on the Very Poor thread with the exception of Nisbet and Doig our recruitment has been dire for a while.

@Hami mentioned we have been in three semi finals to which we have lost two, it’s like we just have to accept that. We were 7 points ahead of the Sheep now they have closed it to 3 points. His big games achievements worries me for next week and if he loses 3rd, something has to change surely? Sticking with him will just be a repeat of the same huge mistakes, Ron has invested in us and wants us to be the third force in Scotland, sorry I just don’t see this happening under Ross and our current recruitment team.
 
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The Family

Capital Radge
So you accept that in this covid season that all teams have been shite but you expect Hibs to be immune to that?

Teams have been a lower grade to last season, Motherwell finished higher than they did, Aberdeen have been shite, Celtic were nowhere at the same level as last season, Huns the only ones who have been the only ones that have gone up a level (Lucky at times), we were 7 points clear of the sheep and now they have clawed it back to 3 points.
 

Rocky

Well-Known Radge
Teams have been a lower grade to last season, Motherwell finished higher than they did, Aberdeen have been shite, Celtic were nowhere at the same level as last season, Huns the only ones who have been the only ones that have gone up a level (Lucky at times), we were 7 points clear of the sheep and now they have clawed it back to 3 points.
We're sitting third though aye?
 

Zab

Admin
He has had plenty of time to work on different formations, he should have learned from his mistakes at Sunderland but he hasn’t. As others have said teams have worked his one formation out, when that goes tits up he has no plan B. How long did it take him to work out Boyler’s best position? Puts players in their wrong positions to accommodate players who are inconsistent.

Your right about Mathie and the recruitment team as I mentioned on the Very Poor thread with the exception of Nisbet or recruitment has been dire for a while.

@Hami mentioned we have been in three semi finals to which we have lost two, it’s like we just have to accept that. We were 7 points ahead of the Sheep now they have closed it to 3 points. His big games achievements worries me for next week and if he loses 3rd, something has to change surely? Sticking with him will just be a repeat of the same huge mistakes, Ron has invested in us and wants us to be the third force in Scotland, sorry I just don’t see this happening under Ross and our current recruitment team.

No sure what you mean about working on formations as we seem to be very fluid with our formations, even during games. There’s nothing rigid about the shape. Tactics and formations aren’t really to issue for me, it’s personnel.

What we don’t have is enough depth in the squad to change games. I think most managers would struggle to have a decent plan b when they don’t have any kind of forward on the bench. That is a serious failure to recruit properly and build a balanced squad.
 

The Family

Capital Radge
No sure what you mean about working on formations as we seem to be very fluid with our formations, even during games. There’s nothing rigid about the shape. Tactics and formations aren’t really to issue for me, it’s personnel.

What we don’t have is enough depth in the squad to change games. I think most managers would struggle to have a decent plan b when they don’t have any kind of forward on the bench. That is a serious failure to recruit properly and build a balanced squad.

So you don’t think Ross plays one formation/tactics?

Also players asking to leave on loan spells bad man management to me. Ross wants a smaller squad so we are just going to be stuck with not having enough competition for places.
 
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The Family

Capital Radge
I'll be disappointed but it'll still be our equal best result in fifteen years so I'll keep my toys in my pram.

It’s nothing about toys being thrown though is it, it’s about wanting the best for the club. If your happy with losing semi finals and losing our best chance in years finishing 3rd then that’s up to you.
 

Rocky

Well-Known Radge
It’s nothing about toys being thrown though is it, it’s about wanting the best for the club. If your happy with losing semi finals and losing our best chance in years finishing 3rd then that’s up to you.
I don't really get this kind of chat. As fans all we actually do is either buy / not buy tickets and cheer / boo / sit on our hands at games. That's the extent of our influence unless it comes to the stage of protests. Folk come on and talk about things not being acceptable and only wanting the best for the club as if they're planning to inject millions of quid or take over the coaching personally.
 

The Family

Capital Radge
I don't really get this kind of chat. As fans all we actually do is either buy / not buy tickets and cheer / boo / sit on our hands at games. That's the extent of our influence unless it comes to the stage of protests. Folk come on and talk about things not being acceptable and only wanting the best for the club as if they're planning to inject millions of quid or take over the coaching personally.

Just my opinion like you have yours 👍
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
So you don’t think Ross plays one formation/tactics?

Also players asking to leave on loan spells bad man management to me. Ross wants a smaller squad so we are just going to be stuck with not having enough competition for places.
But he doesn’t know Boylers best position?


Players not getting a regular game and wanting loan deals.... is that really bad man management ? The alternative was keeping them and only using them in dire need. When they prob wouldn’t be match fit.

I think JR needs a bit time to prove if he’s as bad as you think.
 

The Family

Capital Radge
But he doesn’t know Boylers best position?


Players not getting a regular game and wanting loan deals.... is that really bad man management ? The alternative was keeping them and only using them in dire need. When they prob wouldn’t be match fit.

I think JR needs a bit time to prove if he’s as bad as you think.

He played Boyle out in the wing for ages, yet his best position is playing of the front two which we have seen him in recently.

Couldn’t be down to fitness as both players went straight into games at their current clubs. Maybe more to do with trimming down the squad as he wants the squad to be smaller.

Injuries to our first team will put us in the same situation as Saturday when we had no striker options on the bench but a striker is out injured.
 
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