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wot I'm sayin likes , is the eu have more to lose than us . You don't play poker then ?
But they just don’t. They’re an economy 10x’s ours, they’ve got multiple complex trade deals spanning the globe already, they provide countless items on a daily basis to our country thru Calais and any other port you care to think of.

We’re totally fucked as it stands. No deal means we’re totally and utterly so fucked.
 
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So your a remainer then
Is there anything there in my posts you'd care to discuss or perhaps put forward something that might suggest we have a royal flush. I'm not sure we even have a busted flush*.

* I don't play poker.
 

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Interesting. For traditional Marxist reasons?
I guess you could put it that way. It was the one vote I've had in my life where I was genuinely not sure how to vote until the last minute, and even then the pencil hovered above the ballot paper for a bit. Had to balance my belief that the EU is fundamentally a set of neoliberal institutions and the xenophobia of the leave campaign. I do wonder if things would have been different if Tony Benn and/or Bob Crow had still been around to lead a left leave campaign, but its a sad reality that the lexit perspective was almost invisible.
 
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I guess you could put it that way. It was the one vote I've had in my life where I was genuinely not sure how to vote until the last minute, and even then the pencil hovered above the ballot paper for a bit. Had to balance my belief that the EU is fundamentally a set of neoliberal institutions and the xenophobia of the leave campaign. I do wonder if things would have been different if Tony Benn and/or Bob Crow had still been around to lead a left leave campaign, but its a sad reality that the lexit perspective was almost invisible.
Indeed. I'm betting one Jeremy Corbyn wished he had been leading said campaign...
 

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NC vote in May, not government. Which is basically meaningless. Which is quite apt given it looks like Corbyn is too.
I'm in utter despair. Look at the shambles of all of this and Corbyn is bloody *behind* May in the opinion polls. The Labour Party hierarchy are scared of a GE as they'd likely lose it. Losing a GE against the most shambolic government in UK history FFS. Corbyn is a decent guy (Well I kind of thought so until the CH4 footage of him in Edinburgh this weekend) but he's no potential alternative PM. He's been a coward on Brexit. He's been anti EU his entire political life. From the Bennite wing of socialist politics. Where's his principles now? His leadership is a joke. I'm sure I'll soon be told he would be ahead in the polls if not for they New Labour MP's. Bloody Blairites undermining poor Jeremy.... Absolute tosh. I voted Brexit for the opportunity to smash the neo liberal consensus. The EU is a cartel. However, Brexit has been hijacked by right wing nut jobs. I hope for a second referendum for Brexit and Scottish Independence to make sure next time I get my vote right.
 

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The Tories have gone native. Corbyn is literally asleep at the wheel. Holyrood is powerless to intervene.

Voting on the deal a couple of weeks before the deadline? This is actual insanity.

Brace, brace.
 

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When you say Corbyn has been asleep at the wheel what are you suggesting he should have done and when? Had he called a no confidence motion earlier it did risk the Tories doing what the Tories usually do, coalescing to keep power. Its trickier for them now, well 117 of them, to say we have no confidence in you as Tory leader but we have confidence in you being PM. You see Mogg's convulsions on this the last few days?
 

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The Tories have gone native. Corbyn is literally asleep at the wheel. Holyrood is powerless to intervene.

Voting on the deal a couple of weeks before the deadline? This is actual insanity.

Brace, brace.
Last time I checked we lived in the UK in a parliamentary democracy not a Presidential system and here we have a PM pulling votes to not face parliamentary democracy. She's deliberately trying to kick the can down the street so she can force her rebels to back her pathetic deal. It's outrageous.
 

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When you say Corbyn has been asleep at the wheel what are you suggesting he should have done and when? Had he called a no confidence motion earlier it did risk the Tories doing what the Tories usually do, coalescing to keep power. Its trickier for them now, well 117 of them, to say we have no confidence in you as Tory leader but we have confidence in you being PM. You see Mogg's convulsions on this the last few days?
Have you actually watched his pathetic responses to May's statements in the House of Commons? He fails every time to land a punch. It's pretty embarrassing. More so than Labour continues with this tongue tied buffoon as it's leader. If Labour wants to give us a hard left leader then at least give us one who has a little bit of competence. Even John McDonnell must be contemplating a challenge.
 

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