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For pity's sake, what are Labour playing at?
Can anybody explain to me the logic or strategy in abstaining on the Cherry motion yesterday?
It offered the opportunity to remove the threat of an accidental no-deal, it would have guaranteed that Theresa May couldn't threaten Parliament with an automatic no-deal if they didn't vote for her WA.
Every MP who voted against or abstained on Joanna Cherry's proposition is playing Theresa May's game, and risking irreparable damage to the country.
I suspect, as ever, it's because it's an SNP motion, in and of itself irreconcilable to these clowns.
 
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For pity's sake, what are Labour playing at?
Can anybody explain to me the logic or strategy in abstaining on the Cherry motion yesterday?
It offered the opportunity to remove the threat of an accidental no-deal, it would have guaranteed that Theresa May couldn't threaten Parliament with an automatic no-deal if they didn't vote for her WA.
Every MP who voted against or abstained on Joanna Cherry's proposition is playing Theresa May's game, and risking irreparable damage to the country.
I suspect, as ever, it's because it's an SNP motion, in and of itself irreconcilable to these clowns.
It does stink of unionism.
None of the unionist parties seem to grasp that, not only will they lose the EU in this debacle, their precious Union will most likely disintegrate before their eyes.
 
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So the blame game goes on. Saw Nationalists also defending their abstention in the Customs Union vote, which was lost by 3 and 'threatening' to have a second vote on Independence, an idle threat I suspect. Disnae matter a jot about these consultitive vote results either way to be honest.

BIG G
 
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Sorry for not discussing the big issues, but does anyone else think the Speaker,John Jercow, is a bit of a prick?Maybe I'm oot o Orda, but loves the limelight he's getting.
 
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I can understand your ire but that does not apply to all of us. Perhaps one of the most regrettable periods of our recent history but we in the Borders
Sorry, this got terminated rather quickly because of me pressing a wrong key.
However, we in the Borders fought our case and fought it well. We were leafleting in every corner of the Borders with a band of the usual suspects in our local CLP, few in number though they are. Yes, we were supposedly aligned with the Tories and others but we very quickly had to counter the nonsense and lies - yes, lies - coming out from the local Tories themselves and so we ended up delivering our message on our own. We fought to prevent the break-up of the UK, with one of our main planks being the complete shambles that the SNP offered to the Scottish people: not a single proposal was costed. I take it that the SNP completely "forgot" this when they had the temerity to accuse May and her puppets earlier in the week of leading the country blindly over a precipice.
Many of us are not against independence; far from it. But it has to be a lot better than anything offered thus far by its proponents of an SNP persuasion. I think there is an air of inevitability that independence will come sooner rather than later, especially with young people experiencing first-hand the kinds of cock-ups (apologies for the slightly slack but entirely appropriate description) emanating from a Government that has no idea whatsoever of the mood against them that their prolonged, and unjustified, austerity has produced in Scotland. Most of my fellow-CLP members do not want to hear any such talk, regarding it as subversive, but the Labour Party is in no position at this moment to fight a General Election. We do not have a leader that can appeal to enough people outside the Party to make up the required deficit. However, that will not prevent every one of us from opposing Tory Westminster rule or SNP Holyrood rule, whether we be in Europe or no.
A reminder that I voted to remain in Europe but I see this unholy clamour for a second referendum as the potentially greatest threat to democracy that we have experienced in peace time; no other single call has ever threatened the sanctity of these islands as the upholder of democracy - none.
A labour party member not wanting a General Election,no wonder you are doing so badly in Scotland.You would rather have May and the Tories in govt. than back Corbyn, fucking disgracefull!
 
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Nothing about this will be straightforward. The biggest problem seems to hinge right now on the Irish border. The SNP euro minister who gave the speech last week about keeping the door open...that is all well and good, but what then happens should we now get independence and we were to be accepted whilst England and Wales left. What would then happen with the border between England and Scotland? Would anyone be happy with customs at the border? A lot more thinking is going to be required.
 
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A labour party member not wanting a General Election,no wonder you are doing so badly in Scotland.You would rather have May and the Tories in govt. than back Corbyn, fucking disgracefull!
I try not to respond to inane posts like yours but so for you I'll make an exception.
Nowhere did I state I didn't want an election.
I have voted Labour and will continue to do so, because, rather like something else dear to my heart, it's in my blood.
I am only too well aware of the divisions in my own CLP, never mind the party, to contemplate an election right at this moment. Last night I attended a Labour Party meeting wherein it was only too obvious those in the room were divided on Labour Party leader, Scottish Labour Party leader and almost everything else to think about another thing to divide the country.
Perhaps unlike you, I am a realist, knowing exactly what my thoughts are on the state of politics in my area.
I will stop for now and reply to you more at length later.
But, please don't do your "big man" thing, hiding behind the anonymity of a computer, and cursing at me. I support the Labour Party, not any leader. Like a football team, managers come and go, but the support is always there for the team. Do you think you could work out the analogy for yourself of exactly why Corbyn won't win the next election?
 
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Brexit.

Politics inaction!
 
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I try not to respond to inane posts like yours but so for you I'll make an exception.
Nowhere did I state I didn't want an election.
I have voted Labour and will continue to do so, because, rather like something else dear to my heart, it's in my blood.
I am only too well aware of the divisions in my own CLP, never mind the party, to contemplate an election right at this moment. Last night I attended a Labour Party meeting wherein it was only too obvious those in the room were divided on Labour Party leader, Scottish Labour Party leader and almost everything else to think about another thing to divide the country.
Perhaps unlike you, I am a realist, knowing exactly what my thoughts are on the state of politics in my area.
I will stop for now and reply to you more at length later.
But, please don't do your "big man" thing, hiding behind the anonymity of a computer, and cursing at me. I support the Labour Party, not any leader. Like a football team, managers come and go, but the support is always there for the team. Do you think you could work out the analogy for yourself of exactly why Corbyn won't win the next election?
I'm not making out like a big man,I'm saying what I feel,which is why I'm not and never will be in Labour,because if you can't get with the party line you shouldn't be in the same party.It 's called democratic centralism something that Labour members can't grasp.You thrash things out at conference then go with what you agreed on.That's why I'm a socialist and your not.
 
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So the blame game goes on. Saw Nationalists also defending their abstention in the Customs Union vote, which was lost by 3 and 'threatening' to have a second vote on Independence, an idle threat I suspect. Disnae matter a jot about these consultitive vote results either way to be honest.

BIG G
The way mps have acted on all sides could have been better, but that said, the conservatives have been an absolute disgrace - and continue to be so. The conservatives are plotting the course, not labour, snp or the dup.
 
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Sorry for not discussing the big issues, but does anyone else think the Speaker,John Jercow, is a bit of a prick?Maybe I'm oot o Orda, but loves the limelight he's getting.
I like him.
Totally self absorbed, but he’s brilliant at antagonising Tory’s
 
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I like him.
Totally self absorbed, but he’s brilliant at antagonising Tory’s
Apparently he has become a bit of a cult hero in the rest of Europe, particularly with Germans who think he is a cross between Monty Python and Shakespeare !
 
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I'm not making out like a big man,I'm saying what I feel,which is why I'm not and never will be in Labour,because if you can't get with the party line you shouldn't be in the same party.It 's called democratic centralism something that Labour members can't grasp.You thrash things out at conference then go with what you agreed on.That's why I'm a socialist and your not.
Oh, I see. Democratic centralism. Ah. Is that the one-party-state type of DC, in which no-one, but no-one, is allowed to have a different opinion, or is that the word-out-of-line-and-you're-deselected type of DC? Whichever, even if there is yet another, your own brand, you are welcome to it, if that is what you desire.
I always find "the party line" changes quite considerably when "the party" wishes it, reflecting "the party's" somewhat suspect ability to "adapt" as circumstances change. Such cynicism on my part applies to all parties.
I guess I will have to resign from the Labour Party since you have been able to expose me as a charlatan, posing as a "socialist" all these years, when you are able to blow my cover in such a short period of time with your undoubted limitless powers of observation. But I can only assume you are much too humble to concur.
I now leave you to your future observations on all matters socialist.
 
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Would be quite good if @egb_hibs ventured back for a wee brexit stint..
 
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Would be quite good if @egb_hibs ventured back for a wee brexit stint..
Indeed.

I enjoyed most of his posts.
Apart from the big words obviously.
Shame he's not around at such a crucial point in politics - pretty certain he'd have some strong opinions which would be more worthy of debate than some of the 'ordure ordure' being heard in Parliament.
 
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When the fuck does Scotland decide to get out of this shambles? Watching all these Tory and Labour MPs arguing amongst themselves to decide our future while we have no input makes me sick. This union isn’t a union of equals and it doesn’t work for Scotland.
 
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The SNP have long said they don't support anything short of a customs union AND single market at the bare minimum. As such they abstained in voting for customs union only.

Meanwhile Labour have no common plan with mps rebelling all over the place canceling out the Tory rebels and a refusal to support the SNP motion because most of them hate the SNP more than a no-deal brexit.
 
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When the fuck does Scotland decide to get out of this shambles? Watching all these Tory and Labour MPs arguing amongst themselves to decide our future while we have no input makes me sick. This union isn’t a union of equals and it doesn’t work for Scotland.
I watched the TV live today in Parliament and the organised film shot, that Cable... Liberals, Blackford...SNP, Roberts...Plaid and Lucas.....Greens. wanted a so called (intitiated by Blair/Campbell Peoples vote) In between Cable and Blackford was Labour Blairite traitor Chucka Ummuna. Blackford stated we have 5 Parties represented here. Hold on mate Chuka represents fuck all and not got the balls to stand in a by election as an Independant . No party. No hope and no chance. No Peoples vote in his London seat for punters that voted Labour. Peoples vote my arse.

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