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That was a play not History.
Maybe not and the whole Brexit fiasco is stranger than fiction.

The Ides of March comes from the ides, a term the Romans used to note the middle of a month. Every month has an ides around the middle (as well as a calends at the beginning of the month and nones eight days before the ides). The Ides of March feels special for a couple of reasons: it's the day Caesar was murdered, and it's the subject of a soothsayer's spooky prophecy in William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
The truth is actually more interesting.
For one, we know who the soothsayer was and what he really said: he was named Spurinna, and he was from Etruria. That's important, because Etruscans were known to specialize in divination. Cicero's letters , Plutarch, and Suetonius all confirm his high status. As notably, Spurinna's warning to Caesar was more complex — and more accurate — than the type of prophecy most modern skeptics would dismiss.
"They have a lot of contacts," Strauss says, "and they're people who know what's going on." That would have made Spurinna's prophecy a more frightening bellwether of the anti-Caesar sentiment in Rome. Soothsayers could poll the elites, and the elites did not like Caesar.
On February 15, Spurinna said he found a bad omen: a bull without a heart (it's unclear if the bull was a genetic abnormality, a shocking sign, or a soothsayer's poetic license). After that, Spurinna told Caesar to beware for the next 30 days, not just on the Ides of March. It wasn't a lucky prediction but rather a calculated assessment of Rome's political climate.
The end date of the prophecy wasn't a coincidence, either — on March 18, Caesar was going to embark on a multiyear military campaign that would take him away from Rome. The assassins had to kill him before he left.
 

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That'll set the cat amongst the pidgeons.Sometimes I quite like that silly old tory duffer.
 

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That'll set the cat amongst the pidgeons.Sometimes I quite like that silly old tory duffer.
He is quite entertaining at times, he seems have upset a few tories over the last few months which adds to his appeal.
 

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A bit of common sense in the Commons. Been a long long time in coming!

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Next week i will, with other MPs, apply for a Debate under Standing Order 24 to push for Commons vote to #RevokeArticle50.
Revocation ends #Brexit in an afternoon & requires only one letter to EU .
Tweet/email your MP to support this.
 

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A bit of common sense in the Commons. Been a long long time in coming!

Angus B MacNeil MP
Been in touch with Speaker at #Commons
Next week i will, with other MPs, apply for a Debate under Standing Order 24 to push for Commons vote to #RevokeArticle50.
Revocation ends #Brexit in an afternoon & requires only one letter to EU .
Tweet/email your MP to support this.
That will never happen imo. The deal will be voted down again next week and May will have to go to an emergency summit in Europe and beg for an extension. They will ask on what grounds are we asking for an extension. She won’t have a reasonable answer to that question at this point she will either have to resign or go for a longer extension that means we take part in the Euro elections. The other option is that she just lets the clock run down and we leave without a deal out of spite for not voting for her deal.
 

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I’m coming to the conclusion that this is a crisis, and probably the worst since the 70s.
 

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Part of me is aiming for a chaos hard brexit for Scottish Independence, part of me isn't that mean.
I feel like that a bit as well - give them what they say they want and watch them twist in the wind trying to blame somebody else.

But there's a good chance no deal will be really bad and especially for the more vulnerable. Not saying the wheels will def come off, but of they do it'll be the weakest that suffer.

Also I'm wary of hoping for cataclysms to usher in the political outcomes we want. Elements of Labour are doing that, hoping that a chaotic brexit results in everyone wanting their brand of socialism. But historically that kind of disruption has often led to authoritarianism and even fascism.
 

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2 700 000 and still going up. Extraordinary
What number passes the 17,410,742 mark give me another shout amigo.
As possibly the only publically abstentionist on here, in the run up to the vote, with good reasons neither to vote Yes or No, I think this broken record for a Peoples Vote by the Labour Blairite right, Liberals, SNP, the right wing so called Independent Group and Momentum, is tedious.
From a Labour Party perspective, as a member for decades, I find it incredible that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell, the architects of the Peoples vote at the behest of Big Business have been given carte blanche to be on MSM to push this.
The irony for me is that Blair did not call for a Peoples vote when 2 million people in Britain demonstrated against his disastrous support for the War in Iraq, leaving hundreds of thousands of men, woman and kids dead, thousands left dead and injured in sectarian suicide attacks and the creation of ISIS. Good Socialists have been suspended from my Party. This gangster is still a member.

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