Bints on Tubes

[Brainwrong]

This Women Who East On Tubes thing.

I initially didn't really give it much credence/thought, seemed like a storm in a teacup / sushi box. But, when I've discussed it with laydeez, they're all pretty unanimous in their uber rage at the whole thing.

Now, what's fucked up is that, basically, the reason women feel so fucking angry about the whole thing is down to the guilt they're made to feel re food / dieting / eating / decorum etc. already, and now this this essentially making eating even more of a negative focus, associating ridicule and ultimately yet more guilt.

How utterly fucked up is our societal psyche that we're actually in this state?

Thoughts?

 

[Dub]

This Women Who East On Tubes thing.

I initially didn't really give it much credence/thought, seemed like a storm in a teacup / sushi box. But, when I've discussed it with laydeez, they're all pretty unanimous in their uber rage at the whole thing.

Now, what's fucked up is that, basically, the reason women feel so fucking angry about the whole thing is down to the guilt they're made to feel re food / dieting / eating / decorum etc. already, and now this this essentially making eating even more of a negative focus, associating ridicule and ultimately yet more guilt.

How utterly fucked up is our societal psyche that we're actually in this state?

Thoughts?

I've no idea why anyone would even give a second glance to someone eating on a tube let alone be sad enough to take a picture and post it to a website dedicated to that and doubtless set up by another sadsack

 

[Kurt]

I've no idea why anyone would even give a second glance to someone eating on a tube let alone be sad enough to take a picture and post it to a website dedicated to that and doubtless set up by another sadsack

This.

what's his motivation?

 

[ZemmamasBarnet]

This Women Who East On Tubes thing.

I initially didn't really give it much credence/thought, seemed like a storm in a teacup / sushi box. But, when I've discussed it with laydeez, they're all pretty unanimous in their uber rage at the whole thing.

Now, what's fucked up is that, basically, the reason women feel so fucking angry about the whole thing is down to the guilt they're made to feel re food / dieting / eating / decorum etc. already, and now this this essentially making eating even more of a negative focus, associating ridicule and ultimately yet more guilt.

How utterly fucked up is our societal psyche that we're actually in this state?

Thoughts?

Is it simply because it's aimed at / pokes fun at women? What I mean is, if it was simply "People who eat on tubes" would there be the same outrage?

On the one hand, is it really something to get upset about? On the other, I'm not a woman so I'll never understand.

I just explained the situation to my girlfriend and asked her what her thoughts were; would she be upset and would she be upset on behalf of all women. She said she wouldn't be upset unless someone was making nasty comments about her.

For what it's worth, I once ate chocolate biscuits beside a corpse on Christmas Day so you can take pictures of me eating anywhere, I don't give a fuck

 

[7 Hills]

Jeez, how is this even a "thing"? I remember having a long weekend down in London with friends in 1997, and the locals hardly even looked at each other on the Tube, let alone take surreptitious photies! Granted, mobile phones weren't quite so ubiquitous or "smart" in those days grandpa . My mate and I indulged in a bit of good-natured piss-taking of each other (as is still our wont) and one or two of the locals eventually began laughing along, but it seemed very much that they were doing so against their "nature" and "better judgement"!

By the time we alighted at our destination, we felt as though we had in our own small way, sparked a minor social revolution.

:pf:

 

[Dub]

Jeez, how is this even a "thing"? I remember having a long weekend down in London with friends in 1997, and the locals hardly even looked at each other on the Tube, let alone take surreptitious photies! Granted, mobile phones weren't quite so ubiquitous or "smart" in those days grandpa . My mate and I indulged in a bit of good-natured piss-taking of each other (as is still our wont) and one or two of the locals eventually began laughing along, but it seemed very much that they were doing so against their "nature" and "better judgement"!

By the time we alighted at our destination, we felt as though we had in our own small way, sparked a minor social revolution.

:pf:

When I lived in the smoke I used to hate the tube. Nobody spoke to anyone else so I started taking a packet of polo mints with me and offering them to random folk. It's amazing the space you can get on a crowded tube

 

[ZemmamasBarnet]

Jeez, how is this even a "thing"? I remember having a long weekend down in London with friends in 1997, and the locals hardly even looked at each other on the Tube, let alone take surreptitious photies! Granted, mobile phones weren't quite so ubiquitous or "smart" in those days grandpa . My mate and I indulged in a bit of good-natured piss-taking of each other (as is still our wont) and one or two of the locals eventually began laughing along, but it seemed very much that they were doing so against their "nature" and "better judgement"!

By the time we alighted at our destination, we felt as though we had in our own small way, sparked a minor social revolution.

:pf:

It is fucking brilliant when a random starts laughing at your bad chat / good chat / piss taking.

When my brother and I were coming away from Easter Road recently (3-3 game vs Motherwell), there were a couple of girls fighting against the crowd heading across the bridge at the back of the main stand. They were good looking girls and as I admired them up and down, I said "Decent" without thinking and one of the 'Well fans started laughing. Must have been the way I said it.

 

[Brainwrong]

What I think is wrong with this and why we should all actually give a fuck and support the cause against this is as follows...

Firstly, I want to state that initially I thought (as a few others on this thread do) that this was just a massive waste of time and a waste of thought.

But thought is the key here.

I think this whole thing speaks volumes for our society as a whole; how women view themselves, how men view women and how women view other women.

It's easy to state that folk should harden the fuck up. I've often stated as such. And, you can also state that individuals pile pressure onto themselves and we should take responsibility for our own actions. But it's not about personal responsibility, it's about how insidious every day sexism is.

This blog claims to be high art. And that was my initial gut reaction when I saw the first two or three pics because they were actually composed really well and looked like an interesting snapshot of life. But as I looked through, it became more and more seedy (and I'm not just talking sesame seeds on buns here).

What we're looking in at, what we're voyeurs of, is something that has massive psychological connotations and is an extremely sensitive subject and also a major factor in the way women judge themselves and the way we, as a society, judge women.

The crux of this issue and why we should all have a problem with this, in my opinion, is guilt. What this blog does is further heap shame on women for having the audacity to eat.

No one would give a fuck if it were Men Eating on Tubes, you say. Of course. And no one would have even heard of the blog, because the titillation factor would not be there. The sexualisation of the eating process of item-entering-orifice would not be there. Women would not be involved, our passive sex objects, not integral therefore Interest Factor = Zero. Except for perhaps high art (I hate that term, fyi, used purely mockingly) appreciating fuds such as myself.

This blog is wrong but it's very subtly wrong and that's why I used the word insidious. I am not, never have been and never will be a chauvinist but even I, who questions myself & life constantly, breezed past this as just some shite some fanny was doing that really didn't matter. Get over yourself, eh?

It does matter. It matters because all of our daughters are affected, all of our sisters, mothers, girlfriends, wives, the women in our lives are affected by this creepingly creepy sexism that we don't even realise is skulking about in the background, belittling, controlling, shaping minds, spoiling lives.

We judge women on their body shape then add further insult to injury by mocking them for eating, you know, that thing you actually have to do to survive?

This is a wider issue, it's not even really so much about the ridicule. It's about the society that we live in that facilitates that ridicule.

We are all human beings, we should not be being ****s to one another.

 

[West Lothian Hibee]

What I think is wrong with this and why we should all actually give a fuck and support the cause against this is as follows...

Firstly, I want to state that initially I thought (as a few others on this thread do) that this was just a massive waste of time and a waste of thought.

But thought is the key here.

I think this whole thing speaks volumes for our society as a whole; how women view themselves, how men view women and how women view other women.

It's easy to state that folk should harden the fuck up. I've often stated as such. And, you can also state that individuals pile pressure onto themselves and we should take responsibility for our own actions. But it's not about personal responsibility, it's about how insidious every day sexism is.

This blog claims to be high art. And that was my initial gut reaction when I saw the first two or three pics because they were actually composed really well and looked like an interesting snapshot of life. But as I looked through, it became more and more seedy (and I'm not just talking sesame seeds on buns here).

What we're looking in at, what we're voyeurs of, is something that has massive psychological connotations and is an extremely sensitive subject and also a major factor in the way women judge themselves and the way we, as a society, judge women.

The crux of this issue and why we should all have a problem with this, in my opinion, is guilt. What this blog does is further heap shame on women for having the audacity to eat.

No one would give a fuck if it were Men Eating on Tubes, you say. Of course. And no one would have even heard of the blog, because the titillation factor would not be there. The sexualisation of the eating process of item-entering-orifice would not be there. Women would not be involved, our passive sex objects, not integral therefore Interest Factor = Zero. Except for perhaps high art (I hate that term, fyi, used purely mockingly) appreciating fuds such as myself.

This blog is wrong but it's very subtly wrong and that's why I used the word insidious. I am not, never have been and never will be a chauvinist but even I, who questions myself & life constantly, breezed past this as just some shite some fanny was doing that really didn't matter. Get over yourself, eh?

It does matter. It matters because all of our daughters are affected, all of our sisters, mothers, girlfriends, wives, the women in our lives are affected by this creepingly creepy sexism that we don't even realise is skulking about in the background, belittling, controlling, shaping minds, spoiling lives.

We judge women on their body shape then add further insult to injury by mocking them for eating, you know, that thing you actually have to do to survive?

This is a wider issue, it's not even really so much about the ridicule. It's about the society that we live in that facilitates that ridicule.

We are all human beings, we should not be being ****s to one another.

Fucking well said sir.

 

[ZemmamasBarnet]

What I think is wrong with this and why we should all actually give a fuck and support the cause against this is as follows...

Firstly, I want to state that initially I thought (as a few others on this thread do) that this was just a massive waste of time and a waste of thought.

But thought is the key here.

I think this whole thing speaks volumes for our society as a whole; how women view themselves, how men view women and how women view other women.

It's easy to state that folk should harden the fuck up. I've often stated as such. And, you can also state that individuals pile pressure onto themselves and we should take responsibility for our own actions. But it's not about personal responsibility, it's about how insidious every day sexism is.

This blog claims to be high art. And that was my initial gut reaction when I saw the first two or three pics because they were actually composed really well and looked like an interesting snapshot of life. But as I looked through, it became more and more seedy (and I'm not just talking sesame seeds on buns here).

What we're looking in at, what we're voyeurs of, is something that has massive psychological connotations and is an extremely sensitive subject and also a major factor in the way women judge themselves and the way we, as a society, judge women.

The crux of this issue and why we should all have a problem with this, in my opinion, is guilt. What this blog does is further heap shame on women for having the audacity to eat.

No one would give a fuck if it were Men Eating on Tubes, you say. Of course. And no one would have even heard of the blog, because the titillation factor would not be there. The sexualisation of the eating process of item-entering-orifice would not be there. Women would not be involved, our passive sex objects, not integral therefore Interest Factor = Zero. Except for perhaps high art (I hate that term, fyi, used purely mockingly) appreciating fuds such as myself.

This blog is wrong but it's very subtly wrong and that's why I used the word insidious. I am not, never have been and never will be a chauvinist but even I, who questions myself & life constantly, breezed past this as just some shite some fanny was doing that really didn't matter. Get over yourself, eh?

It does matter. It matters because all of our daughters are affected, all of our sisters, mothers, girlfriends, wives, the women in our lives are affected by this creepingly creepy sexism that we don't even realise is skulking about in the background, belittling, controlling, shaping minds, spoiling lives.

We judge women on their body shape then add further insult to injury by mocking them for eating, you know, that thing you actually have to do to survive?

This is a wider issue, it's not even really so much about the ridicule. It's about the society that we live in that facilitates that ridicule.

We are all human beings, we should not be being ****s to one another.

Have you seen Rashida Manjoo's comments regarding boys club culture being rife in Britain leading to the over-sexualisation of young women and the marketisation of their bodies?

Are the two linked; your girls eating on tubes and the sexist culture we live in? I never thought I was particularly sexist but now I wonder whether I'm inured to it.

For what it's worth, I'm not a member of nor have I ever looked at that FB group. I don't buy Nuts, Zoo or FHM or condone bikinis for 8 year old girls with "Juicy" plastered over their arse so I don't think I contribute to the over sexualisation of young women. Neither do I think I contribute to a boys club culture. It would be wrong of me to say that neither exist but I'm fucked if I know how we stop it or even if we can.

 

[Ice Warrier]

One of the unintended consequences of the internet age.

When I worked in London folk still smoked on the tube!!!

Now the Evening Standard is given away free there's no reason to look at anybody!!

 

[Brainwrong]

Have you seen Rashida Manjoo's comments regarding boys club culture being rife in Britain leading to the over-sexualisation of young women and the marketisation of their bodies?

Are the two linked; your girls eating on tubes and the sexist culture we live in? I never thought I was particularly sexist but now I wonder whether I'm inured to it.

For what it's worth, I'm not a member of nor have I ever looked at that FB group. I don't buy Nuts, Zoo or FHM or condone bikinis for 8 year old girls with "Juicy" plastered over their arse so I don't think I contribute to the over sexualisation of young women. Neither do I think I contribute to a boys club culture. It would be wrong of me to say that neither exist but I'm fucked if I know how we stop it or even if we can.

I've not read those comments, it ties in with my thoughts on the current state of our culture in the UK & US & AUS. I'll check them out.

Boys club culture, I assume can be synonymous with Lad culture? The thing with that is, it's blatant and out in the open, it shows a distinct lack of class & respect but it's just either daft young laddies or fuckwit men who'll never grow up anyway. The lassies on tubes thing is so uber subtle that you can be totally forgiven for not seeing the harm in it. That's the kinda shit we need to be able to spot, I reckon. And not be saying 'Och, get a sense ae humour, ya fridgid cow, ah bet yer a dyke anyway'

I don't think folk like your or I should become worried about every little thing we do or say, I think we've probably got the right approach in general anyway. But, there's some empathy for the complicated nature of the subjugation of women that just does not come naturally to men no matter how much they care, love & respect women. We just don't easily see the little digs, the chipping away at self esteme, the really subtle shit. Because, it's kinda like being in an abusive relationship where you're constantly told you're less than what you are. I mean, if many women don't even recoginse or give a fuck about this, what chance have we, as men, got?

Sexism is sexism but there are many hues. The subtle, insidious stuff is the real killer. But the blatant shite like Page 3 and all the wankfest glossy mags, openly on display, drip, drip, dripping into the subconcious of our children, girls and boys is just as bad. It paints women & girls as passive posessions and personality black holes of holes to fuck.

It's all fucking so pish and really unbelievable it's still the case in this day and age.

 

[egb_hibs]

This Women Who East On Tubes thing.

I initially didn't really give it much credence/thought, seemed like a storm in a teacup / sushi box. But, when I've discussed it with laydeez, they're all pretty unanimous in their uber rage at the whole thing.

Now, what's $#@!ed up is that, basically, the reason women feel so $#@!ing angry about the whole thing is down to the guilt they're made to feel re food / dieting / eating / decorum etc. already, and now this this essentially making eating even more of a negative focus, associating ridicule and ultimately yet more guilt.

How utterly $#@!ed up is our societal psyche that we're actually in this state?

Thoughts?

this thing had completely passed me by, and sounds like one of these strange London phenomena that only exists within the orbit of the guardian and some websites, where a bunch of hipsters witted away about something that exists only within their ivory tower.

That said, having read the first half of the article you can be pretty sure of one thing - this site will be mostly used by women. Women's misogyny never fails to depress the hell out of me and I don't believe the pc - and frankly sexist - pish that blames men for women's actions.

 

[The__Proclaimer]

Not like women to over analyse things.

Only dodgy thing about the whole site is the lack of consent.

If something exists some guy somewhere would wank over it.

 

[Kurt]

One of the unintended consequences of the internet age.

When I worked in London folk still smoked on the tube!!!!!

Some of still reek a bit.