Armenia's avenging Angels

[egb_hibs]

Fascinating story this - so reminiscent (as the reviewer alludes to in the last line) of the story told in Speilberg's Munich, where Mossad tracked down and assassinated figures involved in the Olympics massacre. Except this is the 1920s and its Armenians hunting down Turkish officials implicated in the Armenian genocide;

http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/9563902/the-long-shadow-of-genocide-armenias-vengeance-years/

As Mark Twain (I think) said; history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes.

 

[BurbankHibee]

Not really on topic but I was in the company of some Armenian folks last weekend. What fascinating stories they had about how they ended up in the USA. A lot of them seem to come via Iran. Anyway, the guys I was talking to are telling me about how they reached the USA. Starting off with their time in Iran, the Iraq Iran war, the revolution, bombs, bullets, running for their lives, people smuggling, real frightening stuff. One of the guys' dad was a lecturer at Edinburgh University in the 70s and he even remembered the address where he stayed at, Minto Street ! He went to Sciennes primary school. What a small world we live in. He ends up back in Iran, it all kicks off, the family escape with their lives and the clothes on their backs. he's stuck in Iran, arranges a smuggler to get him into turkey. leaving the family car at he border with the keys still in it. Routed through Germany who kept him in a camp for months before the USA take him in. Interesting stuff. Of course, he asks me, "How did you get to the USA ?" How the feck do I answer that ? Erm, I was flown business class on British Airways by my employers :hmmm

 

[egb_hibs]

It is a small world; I know people who fled the Iranian revolution in hair raising circumstances, people who both manned the Berlin wall,,helped people to escape, and survived the Stasi, and looking back I realise I was at school with people whose parents fled either Pinochet or allende's goons.

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To go way off topic - from the usual suspects (not made explicit but i always read it that way) to the shield, the Armenians are the scariest mofos In any,drama films / series

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Fascinating people, I recommend this;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Crossing-Place-Journey-Armenians/dp/0006376673

 

[SuperTortolano]

Pisses me off the illegals that come to the US and get to live with no problems. Cost me close to 5K, plus a year waiting for the paperwork to clear and a medical in Kensington. In all fairness I'd rather take that route than the boy from Armenia.

 

[HaarlemShuffler]

Pisses me off the illegals that come to the US and get to live with no problems. Cost me close to 5K, plus a year waiting for the paperwork to clear and a medical in Kensington. In all fairness I'd rather take that route than the boy from Armenia.

Nae fuckin aboot ST and pardon me for asking - feel nae need to reply - but do you now have US citizenship/nationality? If that's a dumb inquiry then ma apologies.

 

[SuperTortolano]

Nae $#@!in aboot ST and pardon me for asking - feel nae need to reply - but do you now have US citizenship/nationality? If that's a dumb inquiry then ma apologies.

I have a green card that runs out next year. I basically just have to renew it and get another picture taken. Been thinking about going for full citizenship this year. Think it costs another grand and you have to pass a test all about American guff like to constitution and other shit I have nae clue about. I took a mock test online and failed miserably, but never studied a single thing before doing it. Will probably go for it later in the year. Right now I'm classed as a permanent resident.

 

[BurbankHibee]

Pisses me off the illegals that come to the US and get to live with no problems.

I share your frustrations but these guys, as far as I know, got to the USA legally. It was getting into Europe that was the biggest problem and their legal status was in doubt for a while.

Cost me close to 5K, plus a year waiting for the paperwork to clear and a medical in Kensington. In all fairness I'd rather take that route than the boy from Armenia.

It's a a money making racket. My wife and I went to the U.S. Embassy in London and nothing was good enough. The photos weren't right and we had to go to a doctor for shots against TB, measles and something else despite having resided in the USA FOR 10 years. Weird. But you know the score, you just get on with it. There was loads of us trotted along the street to the "doctor".

 

[SuperTortolano]

I share your frustrations but these guys, as far as I know, got to the USA legally. It was getting into Europe that was the biggest problem and their legal status was in doubt for a while.


It's a a money making racket. My wife and I went to the U.S. Embassy in London and nothing was good enough. The photos weren't right and we had to go to a doctor for shots against TB, measles and something else despite having resided in the USA FOR 10 years. Weird. But you know the score, you just get on with it. There was loads of us trotted along the street to the "doctor".

Yep jumped through the same hoops you did. My appointment at the U.S. Embassy was for 8:15. Had to get the sleeper overnight from Edinburgh to London. Got there at 7:00 and the line outside was massive. After that it was to the doctors at Kensington for shots, and then hame. Going back about ten years now, but they made you fill in paperwork and send a check for a few hundred bucks. Then they send another form and you did the same again. I think a half dozen forms you had to fill in, all needed anywhere from $300-$500. A racket is about right. Then you have Obama wanting to make illegal Mexicans legal. Err can I get my dosh back?

 

[Dub]

Yep jumped through the same hoops you did. My appointment at the U.S. Embassy was for 8:15. Had to get the sleeper overnight from Edinburgh to London. Got there at 7:00 and the line outside was massive. After that it was to the doctors at Kensington for shots, and then hame. Going back about ten years now, but they made you fill in paperwork and send a check for a few hundred bucks. Then they send another form and you did the same again. I think a half dozen forms you had to fill in, all needed anywhere from $300-$500. A racket is about right. Then you have Obama wanting to make illegal Mexicans legal. Err can I get my dosh back?

If you buy a car for [say] 10,000 dollars and then a year later you see the same model being sold for 8,000 dollars do you think you would be entitled to 2,000 dollars back from the seller?

 

[gun ainm]

It is a small world; I know people who fled the Iranian revolution in hair raising circumstances, people who both manned the Berlin wall,,helped people to escape, and survived the Stasi, and looking back I realise I was at school with people whose parents fled either Pinochet or allende's goons.

to suggest equivalence in the human rights record between the Pinochet and Allende governments in Chile is something that can't go unchallenged, even though i know its not the focus of the thread. I was at school with refugees from Pinochet's coup - the human rights abuses there were wide ranging and real - can you please provide evidence of equivalence before you lump Allende in with that monster?

 

[SuperTortolano]

If you buy a car for [say] 10,000 dollars and then a year later you see the same model being sold for 8,000 dollars do you think you would be entitled to 2,000 dollars back from the seller?

I was being facetious, I don't expect a bean back.

 

[BurbankHibee]

If you buy a car for [say] 10,000 dollars and then a year later you see the same model being sold for 8,000 dollars do you think you would be entitled to 2,000 dollars back from the seller?

A better analogy would have been if the car was being given away for free.

 

[egb_hibs]

to suggest equivalence in the human rights record between the Pinochet and Allende governments in Chile is something that can't go unchallenged, even though i know its not the focus of the thread. I was at school with refugees from Pinochet's coup - the human rights abuses there were wide ranging and real - can you please provide evidence of equivalence before you lump Allende in with that monster?

Calm yourself man. who suggested equivalence? I simply don't know if the people I recall had left cos of Allende or Pinochet. It is more likely to have been Pinochet now I have checked the timeline. To pacify your vapours; Chile wasn't exactly on the most promising course before he was deposed, with Allende flouting democratic government and arming his supporters, but he was no Pinochet or Castro.

 

[gun ainm]

Calm yourself man. who suggested equivalence? I simply don't know if the people I recall had left cos of Allende or Pinochet. It is more likely to have been Pinochet now I have checked the timeline. To pacify your vapours; Chile wasn't exactly on the most promising course before he was deposed, with Allende flouting democratic government and arming his supporters, but he was no Pinochet or Castro.

fair enough - your previous post implied equivalence by lumping Allende in with Pinochet, the Stasi and the Revolutionary Guard. Your clarification 'pacifies my vapours' so cheers.

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Then you have Obama wanting to make illegal Mexicans legal. Err can I get my dosh back?

what should he do instead?