An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

[Brainwrong]

The words of a great man.

The actions of a disturbingly backward country, or do they have the right eyedea?

(two separate stories linked here, the first being the most recent).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/iran-acid-punishment_n_4902421.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
A man who poured acid over a young girl's face and blinded her, should be sentenced to similar mutilation an Iranian court has ruled.

The unnamed Iranian man has allegedly been told he should have his eyes gouged out, his right ear and his nose cut off after the attack on the girl which also caused her to lose her right ear.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/13/iran-blind-criminal-acidMajid Movahedi, 30, is scheduled to be rendered unconscious in Tehran's judiciary hospital at noon on Saturday while Ameneh Bahrami, his victim, drops acid in both his eyes, her lawyer said.

Thoughts?

 

[vasco de gama]

The words of a great man.

The actions of a disturbingly backward country, or do they have the right eyedea?

(two separate stories linked here, the first being the most recent).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/iran-acid-punishment_n_4902421.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
A man who poured acid over a young girl's face and blinded her, should be sentenced to similar mutilation an Iranian court has ruled.

The unnamed Iranian man has allegedly been told he should have his eyes gouged out, his right ear and his nose cut off after the attack on the girl which also caused her to lose her right ear.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/13/iran-blind-criminal-acidMajid Movahedi, 30, is scheduled to be rendered unconscious in Tehran's judiciary hospital at noon on Saturday while Ameneh Bahrami, his victim, drops acid in both his eyes, her lawyer said.

Thoughts?

Game of Thrones

 

[Brainwrong]

Game of Thrones

I'm aware of a TV show being called that, never seen any of it though!

 

[vasco de gama]

I'm aware of a TV show being called that, never seen any of it though!

Load of books adapted into TV show. Kinda Hobbit meets Goodfellas meets Spartacus meets Boardwalk Empire meets bloodiest bits in a Tarantino film. Basically some bad folk go around doing bad stuff to other folk and the families of the folk that had bad stuff done to them do bad stuff to the folk who did the bad stuff so the families of the original bad folk do bad stuff to the families of the original 'victims' and it goes on and on until everyone is dead. Eventually you realise everybody was @@$@ to begin with. Even the likeable midget.

The missus loves it. I kinda got hooked.

P.S. There's an element of supernatural spirits and dragons for the Twilight Saga / Role Playing Games fans as well.

 

[Chester Perry]

Load of books adapted into TV show. Kinda Hobbit meets Goodfellas meets Spartacus meets Boardwalk Empire meets bloodiest bits in a Tarantino film. Basically some bad folk go around doing bad stuff to other folk and the families of the folk that had bad stuff done to them do bad stuff to the folk who did the bad stuff so the families of the original bad folk do bad stuff to the families of the original 'victims' and it goes on and on until everyone is dead. Eventually you realise everybody was @@$@ to begin with. Even the likeable midget.

The missus loves it. I kinda got hooked.

P.S. There's an element of supernatural spirits and dragons for the Twilight Saga / Role Playing Games fans as well.

Doesn't it contain an amount of male full frontal nudity? My whole knowledge of this show is based on South Park.

 

[SuperTortolano]

I like it, **** should suffer the same fate as the victim. This wasn't an accident, he knew what he was doing.

 

[vasco de gama]

I like it, **** should suffer the same fate as the victim. This wasn't an accident, he knew what he was doing.

I know if it was my daughter I'd want to reek bloody revenge but that's no really the point. If you condone this approach then it can be argued that by extension you condone the idea that the family of the innocent Afghan kid that was blown up by a drone missile launched by some commander whose family live near to SuperTortolano Towers have the right to blow the commander's house and SuperTortolano Towers to bits. An eye for an eye leaves your house a crumbling ruin.

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Doesn't it contain an amount of male full frontal nudity? My whole knowledge of this show is based on South Park.

I really should watch more South Park cos whenever someone points me in the direction of something spoofed on South Park I find it hilarious.

I do recall some level of penis action amongst the almost non-stop boob action. Something for everyone including the LGBT and midget people.

 

[SuperTortolano]

I know if it was my daughter I'd want to reek bloody revenge but that's no really the point. If you condone this approach then it can be argued that by extension you condone the idea that the family of the innocent Afghan kid that was blown up by a drone missile launched by some commander whose family live near to SuperTortolano Towers have the right to blow the commander's house and SuperTortolano Towers to bits. An eye for an eye leaves your house a crumbling ruin.

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I really should watch more South Park cos whenever someone points me in the direction of something spoofed on South Park I find it hilarious.

I do recall some level of penis action amongst the almost non-stop boob action. Something for everyone including the LGBT and midget people.

I can see your point, but the kid that was blown up, wasn't deliberately targeted to be hurt, or blown up. Just like I think if someone is mowed down by a drink driver, and left in a wheelchair, I wouldn't expect the same fate for the driver. But someone that goes out to deliberately maim someone by throwing acid in there face, I have no problems with them suffering the same fate.

 

[Dub]

The words of a great man.

The actions of a disturbingly backward country, or do they have the right eyedea?

(two separate stories linked here, the first being the most recent).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/iran-acid-punishment_n_4902421.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
A man who poured acid over a young girl's face and blinded her, should be sentenced to similar mutilation an Iranian court has ruled.

The unnamed Iranian man has allegedly been told he should have his eyes gouged out, his right ear and his nose cut off after the attack on the girl which also caused her to lose her right ear.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/13/iran-blind-criminal-acidMajid Movahedi, 30, is scheduled to be rendered unconscious in Tehran's judiciary hospital at noon on Saturday while Ameneh Bahrami, his victim, drops acid in both his eyes, her lawyer said.

Thoughts?

If an eye for an eye is the law of the land then I'm fine with the judgement. It isn't our place to make decisions based on our western ideology although I do appreciate that was not your intent.

Remember though, as Erasmus said, in the Kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king - which I take to mean that "an eye for an eye" should not be adopted lest we all become blind. Or as the bible put it - Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

**** deserves what he gets though.

I'm aware of a TV show being called that, never seen any of it though!

Shame you havent been watching this series K I think you might like it.

 

[Doc Shrink]

in the Kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king - which I take to mean that "an eye for an eye" should not be adopted lest we all become blind. Or as the bible put it - Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Interesting interpretation Dub. My take on it was simply that in a situation where everyone is a bit handicapped or disadvantaged, the least disadvantaged one would be top dog.

It would be like a mildly brain damaged hamster joining in with a group of Gunts - soon they'd all be running round their little wheels stuffing them selves full of sunflower seeds.

 

[vasco de gama]

I can see your point, but the kid that was blown up, wasn't deliberately targeted to be hurt, or blown up. Just like I think if someone is mowed down by a drink driver, and left in a wheelchair, I wouldn't expect the same fate for the driver. But someone that goes out to deliberately maim someone by throwing acid in there face, I have no problems with them suffering the same fate.

I get that point but the moral question is then which is worse:

(a) deliberately target someone you know has done you some wrong - we can leave aside for the now the question of whether your chosen form of retribution (acid in the face in the case of this geezer against the girl) is over the top, or

(b) embark on a course of action that you know will have a victim that you have absolutely zero beef with i.e. bombing a heavily populated region where Innocent kids will die - of course it could be countered that the kids aren't innocent by default because their parents did little/nothing to stop the main target from living in the community. Same with drink driving - you didn't intend to knock the old pensioner down but by drink driving you basically said 'I don't give a feck about the risk to anyone'.

 

[SuperTortolano]

I get that point but the moral question is then which is worse:

(a) deliberately target someone you know has done you some wrong - we can leave aside for the now the question of whether your chosen form of retribution (acid in the face in the case of this geezer against the girl) is over the top, or

(b) embark on a course of action that you know will have a victim that you have absolutely zero beef with i.e. bombing a heavily populated region where Innocent kids will die - of course it could be countered that the kids aren't innocent by default because their parents did little/nothing to stop the main target from living in the community. Same with drink driving - you didn't intend to knock the old pensioner down but by drink driving you basically said 'I don't give a feck about the risk to anyone'.

For me its A. Everybody will have a difference of opinion, but for me A is worse. I understand the circumstances are extreme, but I'm sure some of us have went down the route of "An eye, for an eye" I know a long time ago, so halfwit slapped my sister around while bevvied, and I chose to give him a shoe in. Wasn't over the top, or extreme, but I felt it was the right thing to do.

 

[Dub]

Interesting interpretation Dub. My take on it was simply that in a situation where everyone is a bit handicapped or disadvantaged, the least disadvantaged one would be top dog.

It would be like a mildly brain damaged hamster joining in with a group of Gunts - soon they'd all be running round their little wheels stuffing them selves full of sunflower seeds.

You know me and my bible bashing ways Doc, there is a reference to everything in the good book :hmmm

 

[Jack]

I can see your point, but the kid that was blown up, wasn't deliberately targeted to be hurt, or blown up. Just like I think if someone is mowed down by a drink driver, and left in a wheelchair, I wouldn't expect the same fate for the driver. But someone that goes out to deliberately maim someone by throwing acid in there face, I have no problems with them suffering the same fate.

The line taken in the UK about drunk drivers is that its a deliberate act and akin to waving a loaded firearm about not knowing when it will go off. I appreciate what you're saying though, just a bad example in my opinion.

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I get that point but the moral question is then which is worse:

(a) deliberately target someone you know has done you some wrong - we can leave aside for the now the question of whether your chosen form of retribution (acid in the face in the case of this geezer against the girl) is over the top, or

(b) embark on a course of action that you know will have a victim that you have absolutely zero beef with i.e. bombing a heavily populated region where Innocent kids will die - of course it could be countered that the kids aren't innocent by default because their parents did little/nothing to stop the main target from living in the community. Same with drink driving - you didn't intend to knock the old pensioner down but by drink driving you basically said 'I don't give a feck about the risk to anyone'.

In option (b) its in a recognised war zone and, rightly or wrongly, non combatants deaths are seen as acceptable collateral damage.

In the West it seems any collateral damage is becoming less and less acceptable while those it picks fights with seems to revel in it, the more dead non combatants the better. It makes for very unfair war!

 

[Brainwrong]

If an eye for an eye is the law of the land then I'm fine with the judgement. It isn't our place to make decisions based on our western ideology although I do appreciate that was not your intent.

Remember though, as Erasmus said, in the Kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king - which I take to mean that "an eye for an eye" should not be adopted lest we all become blind. Or as the bible put it - Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

**** deserves what he gets though.



Shame you havent been watching this series K I think you might like it.

Actually, I kind of was judging them! What you're saying is cultural relativism, it's what let's genital mutilation of young girls happen in our own society because 'that's their custom'. We have to make a stand in our beliefs, when we know something is wrong we have to stand up and say; That's wrong, that's inhumane, I judge you on human standards, rights all humans deserve to have to not be mutilated, killed and generally treated like shit.

I'm not suggesting we to wading in to Iran. But we need to apply our own morals to this so that we're consistent. It's not a stretch to say that what's happening in Iran in these cases is cycling barbaric and should never happen in any country ever.

 

[Dub]

Actually, I kind of was judging them! What you're saying is cultural relativism, it's what let's genital mutilation of young girls happen in our own society because 'that's their custom'. We have to make a stand in our beliefs, when we know something is wrong we have to stand up and say; That's wrong, that's inhumane, I judge you on human standards, rights all humans deserve to have to not be mutilated, killed and generally treated like shit.

I'm not suggesting we to wading in to Iran. But we need to apply our own morals to this so that we're consistent. It's not a stretch to say that what's happening in Iran in these cases is cycling barbaric and should never happen in any country ever.

Fair enought K.

I must be a bit odd because there are certain things [genital mutilation] which I see as a custom and a reprehensible one that should be stopped but when it comes to meting out justice as per the law of the land then I am pretty much okay with it, especially in cases where there is a deliberate act ie throwing acid in someones face. The perpetrator doubtless had a grasp on the law yet still chose to commit the crime.

I think we should cogitate further over a glass of black Sambuca sometime mate. It's been a while since I had a horrendous hangover and drinking with you usually does the trick :Sparkle_Cool:

 

[aggie]

I think we should cogitate further over a glass of black Sambuca sometime mate, it's been a while.

Oooft. Even the smell of that gies me the boak. :spew

 

[Brainwrong]

Fair enought K.

I must be a bit odd because there are certain things [genital mutilation] which I see as a custom and a reprehensible one that should be stopped but when it comes to meting out justice as per the law of the land then I am pretty much okay with it, especially in cases where there is a deliberate act ie throwing acid in someones face. The perpetrator doubtless had a grasp on the law yet still chose to commit the crime.

I think we should cogitate further over a glass of black Sambuca sometime mate. It's been a while since I had a horrendous hangover and drinking with you usually does the trick :Sparkle_Cool:

Indeed. Women have been getting in the way. I chucked acid in one of their faces, now I've been blinded and raped by her brother. Fuckin poetic justice or what.

Luckily I've found a new bint whom I assume is tidy as fuck but I've nae idea. At least she's not bummed me so I know she's definitely she.

 

[Brainwrong]

Oooft. Even the smell of that gies me the boak. :spew

Try having it thrown in your face for stealing Dub's pint.

 

[Dub]

Try having it thrown in your face for stealing Dub's pint.

Come on now, it was your tequila I threw in your face. Fukk wasting my Sambuca :laff: