80th Anniversary D-Day commemorations

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I was chatting to a pal a couple of days ago about this. The idea that his son could, in another time, have been in a landing craft was sobering.
 
Ryan69 said:
These warriors gave everything for us.

How utterly disgusting to have Zelensky at DDays s however.
Ukraine was a Nazi stronghold....for people that don't get History.
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The collaboration between Ukrainians and Nazi Germany, Ukrainian SS Nazi battalions, rounding up and killing thousands of Jews by Ukrainian Nationalists is not hard to find.

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GORDONSMITH7 said:
The collaboration between Ukrainians, Ukrainian SS Nazi battalions, rounding up and killing thousands of Jews by Ukrainian Nationalists is not hard to find.

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People in that part of the world had already been brutalised by the Soviets and some latched on to potential liberators. Unfortunately the new devils were as bad as the existing ones.

Between them the socialist axis inflicted more cruelty than can be enumerated on that part of the world.
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
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D-Day 80 years on: The truth about the Second World War | The Communist

Today, western leaders gathered in Normandy, allegedly to commemorate the lives lost in the fight against Nazism. But as Alan Woods explains, the Allied leaders played an insignificant role in defeating fascism, compared to the struggle and sacrifice of the Soviet people.
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Can I expect ‘the truth’ to include the fact the Soviets were happily allied with the Nazis, and the CPGB engaged in undermining efforts to oppose them, until the Nazis broke up the socialist axis and went after Russia itself ?

The Russians did indeed play the preeminent role in defeating them thereafter, but would have been much happier carving up the continent with their cousins.

If we were all posting in 1940 would you be ridiculing conservative sorts for opposing the axis, then in 1941 lecturing us all on how we’ve always been at war with eastasia?
 
Archie said:
I'm less sure of that. Look at the Ukraine.
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They’re Ukrainians, to state the obvious. I think it pretty improbable we would fight the Nazis now other than at last resort, to defend ourselves. And there would be many more demanding appeasement to avoid that, than there were back then. Fuck, a barely recognised existential panic about where we are heading has our university young warming up for a kristalnacht.

We are hollowed out and corrupted.
 
egb_hibs said:
They’re Ukrainians, to state the obvious. I think it pretty improbable we would fight the Nazis now other than at last resort, to defend ourselves. And there would be many more demanding appeasement to avoid that, than there were back then. Fuck, a barely recognised existential panic about where we are heading has our university young warming up for a kristalnacht.

We are hollowed out and corrupted.
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I think there's a difference when it comes to defending your homeland compared to foreign conflicts. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
This is only a ~1000 person poll but feels about right to me. I think the Russians and Chinese will have already drawn their conclusions.

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Only 16% of Brits would fight to defend France

Only 16% of Britons would fight in a war to defend France, according to new UnHerd polling. The survey, conducted by FocalData, polled 1,012 UK voters about foreign policy and defence, asking them which nations they would be willing to defend in an armed conflict. As Second World War veterans...
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Archie said:
I think there's a difference when it comes to defending your homeland compared to foreign conflicts. That's the point I was trying to make.
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See the above I’ve just posted. I’m not even convinced of that. And if you won’t defend others eventually you’ll fall alone anyway.

What do you think the average punter these days thinks is worth dying for Archie?
 
egb_hibs said:
This is only a ~1000 person poll but feels about right to me. I think the Russians and Chinese will have already drawn their conclusions.

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unherd.com

Only 16% of Brits would fight to defend France

Only 16% of Britons would fight in a war to defend France, according to new UnHerd polling. The survey, conducted by FocalData, polled 1,012 UK voters about foreign policy and defence, asking them which nations they would be willing to defend in an armed conflict. As Second World War veterans...
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Pretty much what I expected. They'd film the enemy with an iPhone and try to sue or shame them on social media 🙄
 
egb_hibs said:
Can I expect ‘the truth’ to include the fact the Soviets were happily allied with the Nazis, and the CPGB engaged in undermining efforts to oppose them, until the Nazis broke up the socialist axis and went after Russia itself ?
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Don't try to teach your Grandmother to suck eggs.

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From opportunism to ultra-leftism: The criminal zig-zags of the Stalinists | The Communist

Continuing our ‘sailing under a false flag’ series, exposing the historic crimes of Stalinism, and defending the genuine ideas of communism, Rob Sewell examines the infamous ‘Third Period’, when fatal mistakes allowed Hitler to come to power.
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Cavalier said:
Can you imagine the whining??

I'm not going on that!
It's too cold.
Hold on till i get a selfie with that gun emplacement on the beach!
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with the obesity rate in the UK I doubt you’d have uniforms to fit them. Or have enough gender neutral uniforms. You can’t get people to come into the office these days never mind get their arses over the English Channel.
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
Don't try to teach your Grandmother to suck eggs.

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From opportunism to ultra-leftism: The criminal zig-zags of the Stalinists | The Communist

Continuing our ‘sailing under a false flag’ series, exposing the historic crimes of Stalinism, and defending the genuine ideas of communism, Rob Sewell examines the infamous ‘Third Period’, when fatal mistakes allowed Hitler to come to power.
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Fair play. I did overlook the Trots vs Stalinists dimension!
 
egb_hibs said:
See the above I’ve just posted. I’m not even convinced of that. And if you won’t defend others eventually you’ll fall alone anyway.

What do you think the average punter these days thinks is worth dying for Archie?
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I think there is a difference between defending a homeland and pursuing foreign wars.
 
Archie said:
I think there is a difference between defending a homeland and pursuing foreign wars.
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Well there is. But as above, if you won't defend others one day you will fall alone. The 'anywheres' that can afford it would be off like a shot an all.

It's also hardly the most innovative philosophical question to wonder if a value set that won't defend its own values, is really onto a winner.

This will be put to the test during our children's lifetimes I strongly suspect. And likely within our own.
 
Unless I am really stupid - I doubt you would get any real choice whether to defend your homeland or not.

Maybe the correct question is "Would you fight to defend your family, friends, neighbours, property, way of life, etc?" That was the question asked in 1939.
 
wrighty said:
Unless I am really stupid - I doubt you would get any real choice whether to defend your homeland or not.

Maybe the correct question is "Would you fight to defend your family, friends, neighbours, property, way of life, etc?" That was the question asked in 1939.
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I think we'd have more people than ever before ready to collaborate. Fuck you can see it in action with some of those cosying up to Islamism and Russia's useful idiots.

Nobody is going to be invading us any time soon. They'll stir up internal conflict while chipping away at Europe's Eastern and northern boundaries.
 
wrighty said:
Unless I am really stupid - I doubt you would get any real choice whether to defend your homeland or not.

Maybe the correct question is "Would you fight to defend your family, friends, neighbours, property, way of life, etc?" That was the question asked in 1939.
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Not stupid at all. WW2 wasn't a long time ago, but it clearly united left and right. Countless Tory and Labour politicians had distinguished wartime service. But we haven't had that kind of threat for a long time. But I would cite the Ukraine. A country with a lot of internal divisions and serious issues. And yet what heroes

While not comparable, look how people responded to the serious COVID restrictions. By and large everybody did their bit.
 
Archie said:
Not stupid at all. WW2 wasn't a long time ago, but it clearly united left and right. Countless Tory and Labour politicians had distinguished wartime service. But we haven't had that kind of threat for a long time. But I would cite the Ukraine. A country with a lot of internal divisions and serious issues. And yet what heroes

While not comparable, look how people responded to the serious COVID restrictions. By and large everybody did their bit.
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Honestly, everyone retreating to their house and the internet is not the same thing. We still have 11 million folk not working I think. It was as much a demonstration of our problems as the resolve we would need in conflict.

Our society in the ww2 was massively, massively different. We’re not all on the same side anymore and I’m not talking just about, not even mainly about, some immigrant cohorts.

Anyway hope I’m wrong. Don’t think I am.
 
Greenmachine said:
Lest it never be forgotten what these incredible men and women sacrificed and achieved all those years ago for our freedom.

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D-Day: What happened during the Normandy landings of 1944?

The King, Queen and Prince of Wales joined veterans to mark the Normandy landings' 80th anniversary.
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What with Sunak leaving the ceremony early and Sadiq Khan lining the streets with rainbow flags and not a hint of a flag for D-day, is it any surprise there is little sense of Patriotism.
 
egb_hibs said:
Honestly, everyone retreating to their house and the internet is not the same thing. We still have 11 million folk not working I think. It was as much a demonstration of our problems as the resolve we would need in conflict.

Our society in the ww2 was massively, massively different. We’re not all on the same side anymore and I’m not talking just about, not even mainly about, some immigrant cohorts.

Anyway hope I’m wrong. Don’t think I am.
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Well I thought there was a sense of shared sacrifice and solidarity.

I think one fundamental difference is we all expected that a conflict involving Russia would mean dropping the big one. So no one really thought in terms of infantry based warfare. Well the Ukraine taught us otherwise.

But I think you are in danger of just moaning about youth of today. There's a young in on our family who has all the views you hate. There are also serving in our armed forces.
 
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