Official Hibernian Supporters

[OfficialHSL]

The Club announced yesterday that the financial situation in front of us is unsustainable.
Like many fans, we have an overwhelming urge to help. By signing up to Hibernian Supporters just now every penny that you donate will go directly to the Club, helping Hibs to get through this difficult trading period. We are the Club’s second largest shareholder and while we are currently unable to obtain any further shares, we are able to help the Club at this unprecedented time. The Club has never needed it’s Supporters more than right now. With your support we can make all the difference, but we need to stand up and be counted.

If you can help, and can we please once again stress only donate funds that you can afford and will not miss , please Donate at www.hiberniansupporters.co.uk

Hibernian Supporters

 

[C4MMY]

Was thinking about cancelling my donation but think I’m going to up it instead for the time being and reconsider it further down the line once the stance changes and see which direction HSL are going to take more permanently.

 

[Desperate Dan]

As I mentioned on another thread I've restarted mine, I stopped because I disagreed with the share issue but that's for another time now.

 

[Purple & Green]

I won’t be restarting mine until there is some clarity on what is being proposed.

As it stands it seems to be, give us all yer cash, and we’ll pass it onto the club.

I think safeguards wouldn’t be unreasonable.

 

[hibbydad]

I won’t be restarting mine until there is some clarity on what is being proposed.

As it stands it seems to be, give us all yer cash, and we’ll pass it onto the club.

I think safeguards wouldn’t be unreasonable.

Purple & Green the whole thing is above board the club desperately needs our support. Message to Power I know you are held in very high regard by many of our supporters I believe if you were to start commending support of HSL vigorously I am sure more would contribute

 

[Purple & Green]

Purple & Green the whole thing is above board the club desperately needs our support. Message to Power I know you are held in very high regard by many of our supporters I believe if you were to start commending support of HSL vigorously I am sure more would contribute

I don’t doubt it is above board; that’s not the point.

Ron chose to stop share transfers, that was his choice at the time. I think if the goalposts have changed that should be revisited if the fans are going to plough possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds of working capital into the club.

I think we would be mental to do it without some kind of safeguard and comfort for where the funds will go.

 

[hibbydad]

I don’t doubt it is above board; that’s not the point.

Ron chose to stop share transfers, that was his choice at the time. I think if the goalposts have changed that should be revisited if the fans are going to plough possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds of working capital into the club.

I think we would be mental to do it without some kind of safeguard and comfort for where the funds will go.

In principle I agree with you about the shares and have been thinking for several weeks that we require a rights issue to generate much needed working capital. However the situation is now so bad that there is an urgent need for supporters to rally around and support HSL if they can. The time for prevarication and excuses has long gone and now is the time for action.

 

[EA2007]

I’ve never understood this “where will the funds go and what will they be used on?”

They go to Hibs. They don’t sit in separate pots to use on this or that. It’s all together as part of our overall budget. We then use the budget to spend on Wages, General expenditure, Stadium upkeep, advertising, Pens and hundreds of other things.

We sometimes get an assurance form the club that all season ticket money will be spent on the squad and that’s a soothing comfort blanket for some. They might say this new HSL dough will be used on a new player or two. It means fuk all.

The more fans can contribute through season tickets and HSL the more we will spend on improving the squad. What percentage of every pound? Fuk knows but even if it was 0.000001% it counts.

Some of the season ticket will be going to pay staff off. Depending on when the next HSL money is gifted to the club that could be used for anything but Hibs will have an idea in the next month what they can rely on and will budget for it.

 

[Purple & Green]

The time for prevarication and excuses has long gone and now is the time for action.

So reinstate the share transfer agreement. Today.

 

[Power]

Purple & Green the whole thing is above board the club desperately needs our support. Message to Power I know you are held in very high regard by many of our supporters I believe if you were to start commending support of HSL vigorously I am sure more would contribute

HSL increased visibility is welcomed by a lot of supporters from what I’m seeing - I’ve been sharing all HSL outreach from yesterday.

Only last week I highlighted their work to the club with recent news of 126k generated in the last year. I’m sure we’re capable of so much more in a different landscape. I’ll pick back up on my supporter feedback from last July to have both parties more joined up.

Speaking out loud, my own view only - I could understand why the club could be nervous about shouting out for donations (the goodwill of supporters is magnificent). There will be a balance to find there.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

As far as i can see the club hasn’t asked for anything,it’s been purely fan initiated through HSL as it’s the easiest way to donate.

 

[hibbydad]

So reinstate the share transfer agreement. Today.

That is not possible because the whole authorised share capital has been issued. The only way around this is a rights issue which in the current economic climate is unsure to be a success. I may mention that if there was a rights issue I would take up my rights

 

[hibbydad]

As far as i can see the club hasn’t asked for anything,it’s been purely fan initiated through HSL as it’s the easiest way to donate.

You are right

 

[Doc Shrink]

I'm in the fortunate position of still pulling in an income, at least for the next couple of months - so I can afford to chuck some money in and I'm happy to do so. Having fans pay in extra to fund the club is about the only area where the Gunts better us.
Apart from 'open letters' /'statements'/delusions obviously.

 

[Hammi]

So reinstate the share transfer agreement. Today.

He didn't buy the club to dilute his shares though?
Most folk want something along the lines of AberdNA, this is at least a chance for us to help fund the club where it needs it.
Currently I don't mind where the club uses it, as long as the club uses it. Which I'm sure it does.

Ron isn't going to be lining his own pockets with this money.

 

[hibbydad]

He didn't buy the club to dilute his shares though?
Most folk want something along the lines of AberdNA, this is at least a chance for us to help fund the club where it needs it.
Currently I don't mind where the club uses it, as long as the club uses it. Which I'm sure it does.

Ron isn't going to be lining his own pockets with this money.

There are complications with AberdNA for one thing it would be subject to vat. I agree that it is a chance to fund the club in it's time of need. The time for prevarication and lame excuses has long gone it is a time for action

 

[The Family]

Why has it taken for something like AberdNA for our club to copy, surely we have people within the club that should be thinking smarter than them or the Gunts to generate revenue. I honestly believe we missed out on thousands of pounds through sponsorship money which was down to the club and not the fans.

 

[Hammi]

Why has it taken for something like AberdNA for our club to copy, surely we have people within the club that should be thinking smarter than them or the Gunts to generate revenue. I honestly believe we missed out on thousands of pounds through sponsorship money which was down to the club and not the fans.

Cause our membership scheme didn't take off properly, or was poorly done etc.
Then Leeann put her foot down and said it wouldn't be coming back when we asked... I think?

 

[The Family]

Cause our membership scheme didn't take off properly, or was poorly done etc.
Then Leeann put her foot down and said it wouldn't be coming back when we asked... I think?

I think both the HSL and the club need to get together and have a clear road map on how to generate revenue for the club. The club should be sharing success stories and learn from their huge mistakes like missing out on thousands through sponsorship deals etc.

I also think the club need to be reassuring the fans that we don’t have to be selling our best players and bring free agents in place as some are thinking/worried about.

 

[hibbydad]

Cause our membership scheme didn't take off properly, or was poorly done etc.
Then Leeann put her foot down and said it wouldn't be coming back when we asked... I think?

Our membership scheme did not take off properly because it was undermined from the very beginning with people talking about ponzi schemes and things like that when they clearly did not understand the first thing about a ponzi scheme

 

[Purple & Green]

That is not possible because the whole authorised share capital has been issued. The only way around this is a rights issue which in the current economic climate is unsure to be a success. I may mention that if there was a rights issue I would take up my rights

Okay, so its up to RG to come up with a solution.

This huge scale donation project isn't for me at this point.

 

[hibbydad]

Okay, so its up to RG to come up with a solution.

This huge scale donation project isn't for me at this point.

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

 

[Purple & Green]

Our membership scheme did not take off properly because it was undermined from the very beginning with people talking about ponzi schemes and things like that when they clearly did not understand the first thing about a ponzi scheme

Are you an official of HSL?

 

[EA2007]

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

Dont be ridiculous.
We don’t need nonsense like that.

 

[Doc Shrink]

Our membership scheme did not take off properly because it was undermined from the very beginning with people talking about ponzi schemes and things like that when they clearly did not understand the first thing about a ponzi scheme

The 'Ponzi Scheme' allegations had a big part to play - I was surprised at the number of Hibs fans who fell for that nonsense at the time, and I believe even now it has been exposed as utter shite that there still lingers some distrust because of this. I still hear folk say that we (HSL) were buying shares from Rodders and STF and thus lining their pockets. But there's no convincing some.
There's also just criticism that 'it could have been better organised' but it was at least a genuine attempt to help the Club, and currently it's the only way of putting in a bit extra if you can afford it.

 

[Purple & Green]

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

I don't complain generally.

If you want to chuck your spare cash at Hibs, that's great.

I'm not going to chuck spare cash at Hibs, until there's a more coherent offering.

I'm out of this though, because I can see that the direction of travel with this is that people on this thread want to chuck money at Hibs.

Which is fair enough. It's their money.

 

[hibbydad]

Dont be ridiculous.
We don’t need nonsense like that.

The nonsense is people failing to realise the perilous situation the club is in and no I am not official HSL but am someone who comes from a financial background and realises the dangers that lie ahead not just for hibs but the whole economy

 

[Zab]

Okay, so its up to RG to come up with a solution.

This huge scale donation project isn't for me at this point.

This is it in a nutshell - I haven’t seen anything from Hibs actually asking for donations, it’s up to the board to decide if they want something like that.

The club have asked for supporters, who can afford to do so, to buy season tickets and merchandise. That’s fine by me.

 

[hibbydad]

I don't complain generally.

If you want to chuck your spare cash at Hibs, that's great.

I'm not going to chuck spare cash at Hibs, until there's a more coherent offering.

I'm out of this though, because I can see that the direction of travel with this is that people on this thread want to chuck money at Hibs.

Which is fair enough. It's their money.

I call it putting your money where your mouth is but you have to have money to be able to do that

 

[paigntonhibby]

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

There's no need for that, lots of us have bought season tickets knowing full well we'll be unlikely to attend a game till next year, god knows how many of the NHS kits have been bought. Many people were happy with HSL while there were shares available but RG put a stop to that It would seem that a lot of folk are pumping money in to the club still so I dont think its unreasonable to ask for some sort of guarantee from the club before committing even more money. I think the fans have backed our club brilliantly during this crisis but it does seem like sometimes we're being asked to give,give give without getting even any snippets about our future plans. How can a club that's so well run and gets such great financial backing from its fans be unable to bring in players compared to the likes of St Mirren , Dundee United and the sheep

 

[The Family]

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

What a brutal comment to make.

 

[EA2007]

The nonsense is people failing to realise the perilous situation the club is in and no I am not official HSL but am someone who comes from a financial background and realises the dangers that lie ahead not just for hibs but the whole economy

People can make their own mind up taking into account their own circumstances without you coming along and creating division and doing no favours to the fundraising efforts which are going along nicely.

Everyone is well enough informed about Hibs finances and the economy currently. No expert opinion needed from you.

If there’s a statue of you it could be the next one to fall. Slaver.

 

[hibbydad]

People can make their own mind up taking into account their own circumstances without you coming along and creating division and doing no favours to the fundraising efforts which are going along nicely.

Everyone is well enough informed about Hibs finances and the economy currently. No expert opinion needed from you.

If there’s a statue of you it could be the next one to fall. Slaver.

RThere is no need to be obnoxious and rude people can disagree in a constructive manner

 

[Jack]

I’ve never understood this “where will the funds go and what will they be used on?”

They go to Hibs. They don’t sit in separate pots to use on this or that. It’s all together as part of our overall budget. We then use the budget to spend on Wages, General expenditure, Stadium upkeep, advertising, Pens and hundreds of other things.

We sometimes get an assurance form the club that all season ticket money will be spent on the squad and that’s a soothing comfort blanket for some. They might say this new HSL dough will be used on a new player or two. It means fuk all.

The more fans can contribute through season tickets and HSL the more we will spend on improving the squad. What percentage of every pound? Fuk knows but even if it was 0.000001% it counts.

Some of the season ticket will be going to pay staff off. Depending on when the next HSL money is gifted to the club that could be used for anything but Hibs will have an idea in the next month what they can rely on and will budget for it.

I think you're close but not quite right.

Hibs will, certainly in normal times, have fixed expenditure, the cost of maintaining the stadium and HTC, backroom staff, gas, electricity etc., which will be fixed before a ball is kicked. Everything else goes to the players budget.

If the fixed expenditure is covered by sponsorship, prize money to a degree and stuff like that then the club can properly claim that season ticket money and HSL type stuff goes directly to the player budget.

I liked the player budget stuff. While the club worked to bring in income for the boring bits ME and all my supporter friends paid for the glamorous side of the club, the players.

It was an old regime mantra though. I'm fairly sure the new regime hasn't even hinted at it to my knowledge. Maybe they should.

 

[EA2007]

It’s income and expenditure. 2 columns.

 

[1875]

I take it you won't complain if the team does not do well

And responses like this are the reason I have never given a penny to them.

 

[Forzahibs]

And responses like this are the reason I have never given a penny to them.

I'm shocked , certainly making me reconsider

 

[hibbydad]

I'm shocked , certainly making me reconsider

Why are you shocked Fred it was a reasonable question

 

[The Family]

Why are you shocked Fred it was a reasonable question

It was a complete insult more like.

 

[barney]

And responses like this are the reason I have never given a penny to them.

but the guy that wrote this has nothing to do with them - or am I missing something....
Ive been thinking of contributing - but this thread is worrying me