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Theresa May will always put the Tory party before the country or anything else. I think no deal is virtually certain on that basis.
No, because that's not how everyone is elected to the House of Lords.But you know that I'm sure?So on the basis of that argument all members of the House of Lords are 'elected'?
For me it's a corrupt cartel. It's not run for the people of Europe. It's run for business. All these unelected commissioners.
So on the basis of that argument all members of the House of Lords are 'elected'?
You're definitely right that their culture is heavily opposed to the EU's new regs and they're terrified of its tax laws, so have been big advocates to get out for that reason.
But this notion that hedge funds are all going to make billions and therefore engineered it isn't the whole story. For their overall position most funds aren't like Crispin Odey's and the other bears - ie set up medium/long term to profit from falling UK markets. The majority prefer a strong economy with rising equities at least most of the time, which isn't to say that they won't opportunistically try to gain from something like Brexit, but their long-term net position - and that of big capital generally - is based on rising stock markets.
Odey's funds lost 60% of their value in early 2018 because the economy was much more buoyant than he'd bet so these guys aren't super svengalis pulling the strings at will. Rees Mogg's funds are all in emerging markets afaik so I'm not sure if brexit will have much effect on them. He and others like him will certainly already have hedged their UK-related positions by doing stuff like buying dollars etc but it's a defensive part of their strategy for most, not an Odey-style 'bet the farm' on disaster.
But don't get me wrong, I think these guys are about the biggest arseholes alive.
Theresa May will always put the Tory party before the country or anything else. I think no deal is virtually certain on that basis.
No, because that's not how everyone is elected to the House of Lords.But you know that I'm sure?
Nothing wrong with bicameral governments, nothing wrong with government appointed members of a second chamber. The issue becomes more muddied when the number is unlimited and they join hereditary members. So comparing that chamber with EU commissioners is silly.
That's a huge stretch! He obviously meant democratically elected in the sense that they could be removed by a mass vote in which all the electorate can participate.
I am a firm remainer but there are big problems with democratic representation in the EU, it has behaved pretty badly in lots of ways, especially to Greece, and it's partially created and then ignored crises on its borders. It's pretty uncontroversial to think that it needs reformed.
I think there's a really good chance of No Deal. And if it happens there's subsequently a very good chance that we will face a chaotic six months or more, not ruling out stuff like breakdowns in public order, swift rises in unemployment, food supply issues etc.
My understanding is that the only new members to the House of Lords are appointed. So the comparison isn't silly IMO. Saying Commissioners are elected isn't silly it's bonkers! They've got real power and have no democratic mandate.
I expect the rebate may come under serious pressure. Not totally, but various countries will start asking questions.Good post M.
What do you see as penalties down the road?
We'd be remaining on the same terms as we have at the moment. The only thing I can think of is it might take a while to again become one of the more influential members as Westminster has done it's best to diminish our credibility.
I can't disagree with either of these posts, but I think the frenzy over these 28 people who can't do anything without it passing through the hands of the elected Euro MPs has been overstated in the extreme.
Well colour me gobsmacked. The UK doesn't have the same negotiating clout as the EU. Who knew?
It's one strand of reasoning for making voting compulsory, even if there's a 'none of the above' option.Yep absolutely. Ironically it often seems to come from people who barely vote anyway and who are always saying that all politicians are awful so what's the point etc.
I doubt it and I certainly hope not. I'm not sure the EU negotiators have a mandate to allow them to do so.Reckon the EU are gonna cave on the backstop? Looking like it to me...
Dont think it will pass today although I think it will be tight it looks as if DUP and ERG will vote against the deal a few in the house appear to have accepted this will probably be the only deal and it doesn’t matter how shite it is.The deal will pass; if not today, then at the next "meaningful vote". They are all bricking it that there might be no Brexit at all.
Assassination tomorrow?May is done for.
Gove and his tribe are circling her carcass.
Beware the Ides of March, Theresa!
Dunno?Assassination tomorrow?
Seriously doubt it. No one wants the job she's got. Deal can't be altered, HoC can't agree, Conservative party leader elections take months, and they're miles ahead in the polls of Labour.May is done for.
Gove and his tribe are circling her carcass.
Beware the Ides of March, Theresa!
Shame, i was hoping you were a modern day SuprinnaDunno?
The Tories dont do history.
It shows them in a bad light.
Spurinna?Shame, i was hoping you were a modern day Suprinna
The one who told Julius Caesar that he was getting it.Spurinna?
Seems to be a growing belief she will get her deal through next week. Truly dreadful governance by all involved.
What is now my over riding concern is how we overcome the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England should we ever get the chance of another independence referendum. We may be out of the Eu forever.
I think she will get her deal ratified next week. The default position is leaving with no deal and they have already voted to prevent that happening. The Brexiteers will realise it's either May's deal or a pointless extension of A50 which the EU will only allow anyway if they see that there is something tangible we are likely to agree on.Seems to be a growing belief she will get her deal through next week. Truly dreadful governance by all involved.
What is now my over riding concern is how we overcome the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England should we ever get the chance of another independence referendum. We may be out of the Eu forever.
Undoubtedly. We would have had a deal agreed months ago.Would Brexit have played out differently if maybot had kept her majority?
That was a play not History.The one who told Julius Caesar that he was getting it.
It was all Greek to me.That was a play not History.
What is now my over riding concern is how we overcome the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England should we ever get the chance of another independence referendum. We may be out of the Eu forever.
Her getting her deal thru is a good thing I think? I regards to independence? Regulatory allignment between NI and RoI can be transposed to Scotland and England.
The next big thing will be the push for another Scottish independence vote in the next year or so. Problem is there is still nowhere near enough support for independence in Scotland.
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