Syrian based British girl

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Shamima Begum: IS runaway teen 'could face prosecution in UK'

British lives will not be put at risk to rescue Shamima Begum, who fled to Syria aged 15, ministers say.

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Been a fair bit on the news today about her asking to come back to the UK. Should she be allowed to come back and, if so, should she not pass Go, not collect £200 and proceed to jail? A victim of grooming or someone showing no remorse?

 

[Jack]

Well she's certainly showing no remorse.

 

[Doc Shrink]

Can’t say I’m sympathetic,

 

[1875]

Its a no from me.

 

[SuperTortolano]

Fuck her, bolt!

 

[Tatie]

Saying she wants her baby to be looked after in Britain . The same country she left to fight against ! It's a no from me .

 

[Smurf]

I've no sympathy. She's unrepentant. Despicable.

 

[Forzahibs]

Can't have it all ways , fuck her

 

[PILTONSTANY]

Unlucky hen

 

[Two Headed Boy]

She would have to agree to being monitored, a curfew and attendance with a deradicalisation team to stand any chance. Which seems unlikely.

I feel a touch of sympathy for the lass as she is clearly deluded to the point of thinking this is no problem and undoubtedly a victim of grooming and brainwashing. Doesnt change the fact she's a major security risk for exactly that reason though.

 

[Davy]

Keep her out, She says she was young and silly when she left, then goes on to say how she felt nothing for beheaded corpses in the bins, that they were all just enemies of Islam. Yet somehow she wants to come back to UK to raise her kid...no doubt on the benefits system!

 

[Davy]

She would have to agree to being monitored, a curfew and attendance with a deradicalisation team to stand any chance. Which seems unlikely.

 

[Two Headed Boy]

Why should we bear the massive cost involved?

Because she's a British citizen. A pregnant one who was groomed as a child. We tend to pay for stuff like that.

 

[Jack]

She left this country to join ISIS, a terrorist organisation. She managed to stay with them until the last minute, until they've only got a tiny wee foothold in Syria.

I'm hard pushed to see how she's a refugee and not seen as a foreign mercenary in Syria.

 

[Braehead Cabbage]

Fuck her, bolt!

Pervert

 

[Braehead Cabbage]

Can't have it all ways , fuck her

You anaw

 

[Two Headed Boy]

Her dads story is the saddest part of this.

Imagine your daughter getting groomed on the internet and fucking off to Turkey behind your back then when she gets in touch after two years you find out your grandchild is going to be raised in a refugee camp in a war zone.

Doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

Her dads story is the saddest part of this.

Imagine your daughter getting groomed on the internet and fucking off to Turkey behind your back then when she gets in touch after two years you find out your grandchild is going to be raised in a refugee camp in a war zone.

Doesn't bear thinking about.

I think it might be her 3rd child....

 

[southfieldhibby]

She’s got a British passport so the government are legally obliged to assist her abroad. What happens to her once she’s back in the U.K. is another argument

 

[Westside Green]

Part of me says she has no right to come back here but the other part says her unborn child deserves better.
Maybe she could mysteriously disappear after giving birth and pop up in Damascus.

 

[moathibby]

The wooly Liberal in me is saying give this woman a chance but then you read she feals no sympathy for heads in a bin and I think'nah'.

 

[Hattie]

Let her rot, she has no regrets, no sympathy towards beheaded victims.. yet wants British aid.. she is a terrorist make no mistake and pardon my language so will the little rat she produces... its in her system, she/he’ll grow up with the pay back revenge for his mothers unborn kids getting killed...ISIS fecked so come back to sponge and add to the terror here... fuck her

 

[Leith1975]

I presume if she comes back she would be sent straight to prison.

 

[Hectorhib]

I know there's some passionate views being expressed here, and it's probably not the time for levity, but is that what is meant by "a real Heidbin"?

 

[1875]

The wooly Liberal in me is saying give this woman a chance but then you read she feals no sympathy for heads in a bin and I think'nah'.

Pretty much how I feel too.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

If this is genuine then.....

 

[Jack]

If this is genuine then.....View attachment 666

It's the Daily Mail @PILTONSTANY so my initial reaction would be no!

As a wee aside I saw Facebook or something similar was testing some algorithm that identifies fake news and the Daily Mail was the worst offender. That in itself could be fake news!

 

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsChavez]

Let her rot, she has no regrets, no sympathy towards beheaded victims.. yet wants British aid.. she is a terrorist make no mistake and pardon my language so will the little rat she produces... its in her system, she/he’ll grow up with the pay back revenge for his mothers unborn kids getting killed...ISIS fecked so come back to sponge and add to the terror here... fuck her

Have to agree with that .

 

[Plasticman]

If this is genuine then.....View attachment 666

Are we seriously allowing The Daily Mail, whilst banning the Record and Sun?

 

[PILTONSTANY]

Are we seriously allowing The Daily Mail, whilst banning the Record and Sun?

Screenshots aren’t banned from either as far as i know,It’s links that create them the money....

 

[Gareth]

I depart from most of you here. Imagine a 15 year old girl groomed in this country who then becomes an apologist for the groomers, or even an adult women who is a victim of domestic abuse who justifies that abuse, they’d be seen as brainwashed victims.
And the fact they’d become desensitised would be explained psychologically. I still think she’s primarily a victim. I also think her interview has to be put in the context of taking place in a camp where many isis fighters will be and when she is almost full term, having already had two kids die, so speaking honestly and coherently might be asking a bit much.
And this ignores that by international law you can’t make her stateless.
So for me, let her back, get her medical treatment and keep an eye on her.

 

[Leith1975]

I depart from most of you here. Imagine a 15 year old girl groomed in this country who then becomes an apologist for the groomers, or even an adult women who is a victim of domestic abuse who justifies that abuse, they’d be seen as brainwashed victims.
And the fact they’d become desensitised would be explained psychologically. I still think she’s primarily a victim. I also think her interview has to be put in the context of taking place in a camp where many isis fighters will be and when she is almost full term, having already had two kids die, so speaking honestly and coherently might be asking a bit much.
And this ignores that by international law you can’t make her stateless.
So for me, let her back, get her medical treatment and keep an eye on her.

You make a lot of good points, but you’re also making a lot of assumptions. If she comes back she has to be treated as a terrorist. She should be allowed access to medical care as any other prisoners would. There’s no way she should be allowed to return and be allowed to go home to her family. She may well be a victim, but that has to be established first.

 

[Bofahibee]

I agree that we have to be seen to uphold international law and that means that we can’t make her stateless. That said she pledged her allegiance to another state, so in a way she has made herself stateless. Also, we allowed 16 year olds to vote so by the same token she was old enough to make decisions about her own destiny. Tough one really.

I met some militant Muslim dudes when I was working in Birmingham. I tried to chat and be friendly but they were not having it - they just wanted to ram their worldview down my throat and shout about the evils of the West. We are all tarred with the same brush as far as they were concerned. I’ve met a plenty of scary folk over the years but these guys were scary on a totally different level - almost deranged.




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[PILTONSTANY]

I’m sure she could make her way to the nearest British embassy and apply for a new passport the same as everyone else,take it from there.

 

[stairways_second_coming]

I depart from most of you here. Imagine a 15 year old girl groomed in this country who then becomes an apologist for the groomers, or even an adult women who is a victim of domestic abuse who justifies that abuse, they’d be seen as brainwashed victims.
And the fact they’d become desensitised would be explained psychologically. I still think she’s primarily a victim. I also think her interview has to be put in the context of taking place in a camp where many isis fighters will be and when she is almost full term, having already had two kids die, so speaking honestly and coherently might be asking a bit much.
And this ignores that by international law you can’t make her stateless.
So for me, let her back, get her medical treatment and keep an eye on her.

What about Tommy Robinson or any other racist edl 19 year old. They have surely been just as brainwashed "groomed" ect and they can also get to fuck like her. Her band of arseholes have been defeated unlucky

 

[Green juventine]

You could say she was only 15 when she decided to go with her 2 pals and maybe didn't know what she was getting into.
On the other hand she new enough to organise and fund travel not to mention deceiving her family. So she's not stupid (not in that sense).
She has shown no remorse even although she has bound to have witnessed some of the horrors out there. If anybody has not seen The State they should give it a view.
If I.S. were still occupying large parts of Syria etc. would she still be wanting to return to good old Britain (I think not).
So NO I don't think she should be allowed back but I think she probably will and will probably try and continue to spread the poison that is I.S.
Thank God (or whoever) that Leith is a melting pot of different cultures and we all seem to get on okay.
Long may it stay that way.
Last thing good win today well done to all. Hope that's us back on track.

 

[Leith1975]

You could say she was only 15 when she decided to go with her 2 pals and maybe didn't know what she was getting into.
On the other hand she new enough to organise and fund travel not to mention deceiving her family. So she's not stupid (not in that sense).
She has shown no remorse even although she has bound to have witnessed some of the horrors out there. If anybody has not seen The State they should give it a view.
If I.S. were still occupying large parts of Syria etc. would she still be wanting to return to good old Britain (I think not).
So NO I don't think she should be allowed back but I think she probably will and will probably try and continue to spread the poison that is I.S.
Thank God (or whoever) that Leith is a melting pot of different cultures and we all seem to get on okay.
Long may it stay that way.
Last thing good win today well done to all. Hope that's us back on track.

I agree with all of that other than the part that she shouldn’t be allowed back. I don’t think we have a choice in the matter. It’s what we do with her when she returns is the real issue.

 

[Green juventine]

I agree with all of that other than the part that she shouldn’t be allowed back. I don’t think we have a choice in the matter. It’s what we do with her when she returns is the real issue.

 

[Green juventine]

I suppose it's a tricky one for the powers that be with being a British citizen and all.
There are kids in Somalia and places like that (boy soldier)younger than her committing terrible atrocities it would be hard to mend them killing and butchering is a way of life it would be hard to mend them.
She's been there for 3years how could you fix her if she goes to prison does her child go with her or taken into care.
Meanwhile she's had 3 years of brain washing she may be of use to MI5 for gathering intelligence .It's only a matter of time before some sandle wearing bleeding heart will be getting her released over her human rights.
But if she genuinely was sorry and condemned I.S. to other would be jihadists a bit like former gang members condemning knife crime then maybe just maybe she could be an asset and you could have a point.
But this country can be too soft look how long it took to get rid of Abbu Hanza half of that was over human rights. Very risky.

 

[brianmc]

I've not been following this story at all. I've been aware of it of course , but purely through the kind of osmosis where certain stuff seeps into your consciousness.
So with that in mind, added to my limited knowledge of the Muslim faith - or to be more precise the lunatic extremist version of it - I have to ask.... Who keeps pumping this lassie and getting her pregnant?
I thought the whole promiscuous, un married sex stuff was a big no no ??

Anyway, to answer the original question,
It's a nah from me. She can GTF as far as I'm concerned.
A horrible terrorist scumbag doesn't suddenly cease to be a horrible terrorist scumbag just because she's been pumped into babyhood by some/several other horrible terrorist arseholes.