A few stories from an auld thread.
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I know our fans used to sing songs such as "the Merry ploughboy" & many more but why and how did this end? and when? Just as i think its strange how thousands of supporters just suddenly stopped chanting these songs one day!
Its just something i have always wondered! Im only young so dont really know anything about our supporters back then.
I think its great that we dont sing such songs nowadays and have become more of a proud scottish team. I love our irish history & the irish culture but the majority of our support are proud scots? well most i know anyway! so what happened?
A few stories from an auld thread.
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i'd say it stopped in around 84/85 (maybe a wee bit earlier) and was almost always sung when Scotlands Shame visited ER.
I dont want to go on too much about this (as it will start another bitter fued) but some of the songs sung by Hibbies back in the late 70s/early 80s were consistent with what was happening with the troubles over the water and its quite hard to believe that we sung them looking back now. But we did. And i remember it very well. They were crazy days up in the old white mountain mingling with away fans and no segregation (bring them back !!!!)
Sir Tom Hart had it stopped. Can remember the hsc in perth gettin a memo frae the club about embarisin the club etc.
that pisses me off when we get called that
we were the first in green so therefore they are copying us!! despite them being a way way way bigger club now - simply because they kept the rebel songs ect going
Well said that man!!
It was telling watching last years Hibs vs Huns game at ER on Setanta. The Camera zoomed into the Hibby's to show normal decent folk chatting away , most of them as family groups. Zoom into the Orc's at the same time shows them chanting sectarial bile towards us, waving flags etc etc
Our resident Bairns fan commented on this..
can anyone tell me what kickstarted some hearts fans to act like huns?
they'v only started bringing hefty UJs to easter road in the last few year and i duno where it all started
Seems like there's a hole in my dreams, or so it seems
no they've not, they've been at it for many a year.
There are pics of greetin' faced Gunts at Dens in '86 when Sir Albert skelped thum, and you can clearly see their UJ's and RHU badges on their scrarfs
I can remember them in the '70's tae
Didn't you know they won the War for us?
Don't let it bother you! I just laugh and say we WERE the first in the green and would wave a Tri colour or Harp flag with pride!
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At the same time we kicked the rebs into touch , the likes of Falkirk , Motherwell , Dundee and Killie stopped singing the the loyalist tunes and waving UJs. There was definately a move away from that kind of shennanigans by a number of clubs mid 80s.
Only the webbed feet brigade continued to think it was cool to act like Rangers .... Hertz , Airdrie .... and of course Irvine Meadow
In my view sectarianism ended in edinburgh football due to the CCS. this is not one of those starry eyed views of casuals as white knights by the way, I just think on this point this is the case.
because they were the hooligan element, and they didn't go in for it at all. and because edinburgh gang culture became about hibs vs everyone else, not any alignments by religion, rival schools (hibs at catholic and non denom schools would be fighting all the non hibs rather than catholic school fighting non catholic school) or anything else.
that said, i think their might have been a scrap at a game in around 85 between republican and non republican orientated people. i may have just imagined that though, but it's suddenly popped into my head. maybe someone on here can confirm or deny. it's not something i witnessed but i'm sure i remember hearing something about it.
why did the casuals use a union jack as there like symbol? cos its a different colour nobody is bothered, or maybe just cos its the casuals
i believe the 'official answer' was to wind up both sets of OF fans, but also the uj was a kind of international hooligan flag, which i think was probably somewhere in the mix. people on here would know for sure probably.
i'm surprised by the big deal made of it; it was common place in the 80s for celtic and hibs fans to fly green white and gold 'fenian jacks'.
i mind being at septic park and the tinkies were gathering round us when the casuals started whistling the sash $#@!ing class
but the sash is a bit extreme
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I reckon your miles wide off the mark wae that reasoning, M.
From experience I remember a few guys who were right intae the "reb" side o' Hibs, members o' the Rising Phoenix, and a couple o' other reb bands, the James Connolly Society, CYMS, etc. They became "disallussioned" wae "the cause" when they had people like the Special Branch spying on them for IRA activities. They would be pulled at airports for questioning whilst going on marching trips to Ireland, then have follow-up visits tae the hoose and quizzed in front o' their families. When Thatcher came in she more or less gave them carte blanche to do as they pleased to deal with anyone connected to/supportive of Irish Republicanism, including football fans. This was around the late 70's - early 80's, and these guys became less frequent at Hibs games because of this, as would the influence they shared amongst their mates going to games. Much of it went underground, and became less apparent at Hibs games. I would imagine that this was much of the same ofany other football fans of other clubs. Obviously with the apparent exception of SDB's.
[QUOTE=pm_eringobragh;1146870]i mind chanting at parkheid
Thats class,we should be singing that next time the plastics come to ER
it was standard practice at the time for the SB to be "interested" in anyone making frequent visits to Ireland during late 70's - early 80's.
This was obviously enough to put guys off who were in it just for the "romanticised" Irishness of it. $#@! bein' dragged oot yer bed in the middle of the night just because ye liked tae sing some songs and wave a flag now and again. That, in my opinion, led to the decline in what we were seeing on the terraces at ER.
i found a bit about the rising pheonix there, they reckon labour banned the marches in edinburgh, but i recall one in edinburgh around 5 year ago, i never knew they called it a hibs walk also a bit in there about the special branch blackmailing a young band member
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You'd have to ask them but as has been pointed out in other posts on this thread they are not the only club in Scotland who don't play in those colours yet have had fans display Union Jacks.
I'll bow to that experience from before my time.
I standby the thing with inter school paggering though, and rebel songs were still going at ER right up till the casuals started is my best recollection. i appreciate what you're saying about the hard core, but surely the SB weren't actually huckling folk for singing songs at matches?
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No no, they weren't hucklin' them for that, they were interested in their involvement in RP, JCS, etc as they were looked upon as Irish Reb sympathisers and prone to raising funds, etc. They kept tabs on them when they were visiting Ireland, who they met with over there etc, And obvoiusly within their ranks they may find members of the IRA. As I said, a lot of these guys were in it for the romanticised version, and thought twice when they started getting some heavy $#@!.
I would accept your reasoning on the school paggers stuff, although I had left a long time previous to that so wouldn't be aware of it.
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Notice nobody mentioning the banning of drink, probably because of the time that has passed.
Was,nt unknown to see my elders at Easter Rd downing a bottle of whisky, EACH, during the game.
By that point most of them thought they were Frank Sinatra.
I,ll not even mention away games.
You only sing when your pashed would,nt be far off the mark.
The rugby internationals were notorious for it, drunk opera singers that is.
nil satis nisi optimum
But we stil see Irish flags, being waved and i dont see any problem or issue with that. Its a national flag, as is the Saltire and i also have no problem with Huns and their UJ's. Doesnt offend me one bit.
Good old days back in the naughty 80s !!
Not sure about that at all. The Ancient Order of Hibernians, as far as i know could not be further from the politics of James Connolly Society. Those who make no distinction, and would fire along to both marches and see it as one big "cause" really are outed as bandwagon jumpin flag waving bigots.
Ni neart go cur le chéile
My grandad has dementia, and he used to sing a song that goes "If you ever cross the sea to ireland" Never sang the rest, think he forgot, but would then sing it again.
i remember well "Off to Dublin in the Green" was sung, and not the newer Hibs rendition.
cap greens should get a new version of merry ploughboy started, without the ira parts obv