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    Dean Shiels

    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?



    Agreed. He's more often than not - $#@!e.

    Impact player? JC probably right there.

    Don't think Hibernian would miss hi, much if he left tomorrow.

    Agree wholeheartedly that this guy is seen as some kind of messiah, when truthfully he's as good in his role as andy mcneill is in his.

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    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?
    Hope he does not sign a new deal

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    Re: Dean Shiels

    I think he is one of the most naturally talented players at the club. I also think he is creative going forward and a real handful for opposition defences. The trouble for me is when he is playing, we need a midfield 3 behind him who keep their shape, as his style of play is to 'float' leaving us exposed to counter attacking football.

    Shiels and Morais won't work in the same team 'cos neither of them gets back quickly enough.

    Shiels and Riordan would be the same IMO.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

    Morais and Shiels are the same player with the only difference being Dean's ability to finish, which is a lot better. Ye'll get yer cracking performances, ye'll get yer howlers and ye'll get yer anonymous wanderings from them.
    Unfortunate on two other midfielders paired with them in the midfield when those two (or even with Zemmama) are in the same XI. They will always have to cover and usually end up having a mair themselves - Keenan and Rankin had this job last night. Morais and Shiels first and second halfs respectively were completely the same apart from Dean Shiels equaliser which saved his bacon performance wise according tae some?

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    Re: Dean Shiels

    He is without doubt (along with Zemmama) one of the more gifted players at our club. I can see why he was at Arsenal. However, I can also see why he is no longer there.

    Not really keen to be joining in the splatter gun bashing of all and sundry that is typical of late but neither Shiels or Morais can really believe they earned their wages last night?

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?
    Maybe it's the hairstyle that hypnotises people but you are just utterly wasting your time.
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    Re: Dean Shiels

    I'd agree to a certain extent. He shouldn't be starting. He's a sub.

    However, he's IMHO a far better player/option than Morais.

    I'd sacrifice Shiels for a defensive midfielder in Ian Murray. Playing both Shiels and Zoumer is dangerous territory IMO.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    However, he's IMHO a far better player/option than Morais.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

    Can and has shown in flashes in the past that he's a decent enough player. Inconsistancy and a chronic lack of strength or ability to last the 90 mins have always been areas he's needed to work on. It's not apparantly obvious (to me at least) that he's ever taken this on board.

    Having said that a few of our players look worryingly unfit so far this season.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Can and has shown in flashes in the past that he's a decent enough player. Inconsistancy and a chronic lack of strength or ability to last the 90 mins have always been areas he's needed to work on. It's not apparantly obvious (to me at least) that he's ever taken this on board.

    Having said that a few of our players look worryingly unfit so far this season.
    Agree with all of that..

    I think John Collins was right about Dean Shiels. He is a very good impact player who can come on and do some damage. Unfortunately he seems incapable of lasting a full game and I noticed this especially against Falkirk. In fairness to him though, the role he plays in the team demands a hell of a lot of running.

    I would go along with the view that the team in general do not look up to the required level of fitness. This is the manager/coach's responsiblity and there should be no excuses as we have a fantastic Training Centre at East Mains with every possible facility you would need to achieve the high level of fitness needed to play in the SPL.
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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    However, he's IMHO a far better player/option than Morais.
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    There's no doubt about that

    I've heard some Hibs fans say that Morais couldn't kick his own arse.
    Rubbish.



    I think at one point against Morton he actually did that.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    I've heard some Hibs fans say that Morais couldn't kick his own arse.
    Rubbish.



    I think at one point against Morton he actually did that
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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    I've heard some Hibs fans say that Morais couldn't kick his own arse.
    Rubbish.



    I think at one point against Morton he actually did that.
    He never kicked it hard enough...

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?
    correctamundo christ i thought i was the only one who thinks he's a complete waste of space.

    the only time i agreed with collins was when he said he was a sub

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Shiels and Riordan would be the same IMO.
    Riordan in a 5 man midfield would still still give you a hefty goal input.

    Shiels though, well, I wonder. For every good thing he does just now he does 3 stupid or pointless things. He's not worth a place in the team and it was well harsh to hook Morais on Tuesday.

    JC maybe indeed have his card marked properly.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Agree with all of that..

    I think John Collins was right about Dean Shiels. He is a very good impact player who can come on and do some damage. Unfortunately he seems incapable of lasting a full game and I noticed this especially against Falkirk. In fairness to him though, the role he plays in the team demands a hell of a lot of running.

    I would go along with the view that the team in general do not look up to the required level of fitness. This is the manager/coach's responsiblity and there should be no excuses as we have a fantastic Training Centre at East Mains with every possible facility you would need to achieve the high level of fitness needed to play in the SPL.
    I have always regarded Shiels as one of the most technically gifted players but I agree (with you and JC) that he is best used as an impact player and does not seem to have the stamina to last 90 mins in his role. Sadly, compared to this time last season, many of our squad seem to fall into that category and look tired well before 90 mins has been played. But he seems to be held in talismanic regard by a large section of the support and can do no wrong.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    He's not worth a place in the team and it was well harsh to hook Morais on Tuesday.
    Strongly disagree. It wouldn't have been harsh IMHO if he had been hooked after 30 mins.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Strongly disagree. It wouldn't have been harsh IMHO if he had been hooked after 30 mins.
    You could have hooked half a dozen of them on their performance after 30 minutes on Tuesday.

    My point was that it was harsh to hook Morais before Shiels on Tuesday, or I thought so anyway.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

    Dean Shiels is not first choice IMO. If Riordan is signing, definately not. We should have two attacking from midfield and two sitting in, breaking up play and linking defence with attack. For me, Keenan and AOB have both more than shown thier worth, and if Thicot is half as good as he looked previous to injury, then we've got a great ball winner to complement Keenan's intelligent play. I would play Rankin if front of him as well, he doesn't leave his post vacant, he can win the ball, create chances and will score goals.(he's been as unfortunate as Fletch of late)
    Of course, if Riordan comes back, Rankin's ball winning and invention will be sacraficed for the 20 seemingly guarenteed goals.


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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Morais and Shiels are the same player with the only difference being Dean's ability to finish, which is a lot better. Ye'll get yer cracking performances, ye'll get yer howlers and ye'll get yer anonymous wanderings from them.
    Unfortunate on two other midfielders paired with them in the midfield when those two (or even with Zemmama) are in the same XI. They will always have to cover and usually end up having a mair themselves - Keenan and Rankin had this job last night. Morais and Shiels first and second halfs respectively were completely the same apart from Dean Shiels equaliser which saved his bacon performance wise according tae some?
    I have yet to see the cracker from Morais. His only thing of note in his year at Hibs was his goal v the Huns(?) last season.
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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    You could have hooked half a dozen of them on their performance after 30 minutes on Tuesday.

    My point was that it was harsh to hook Morais before Shiels on Tuesday, or I thought so anyway.
    I took my seat just as their first goal went in. I cannot think of a single time he beat a player after that, or even got into a goalscoring position. At least Shiels done those things, but it was still a rotten display by his standards. Morais should be chucked ASAP.


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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    You could have hooked half a dozen of them on their performance after 30 minutes on Tuesday.

    My point was that it was harsh to hook Morais before Shiels on Tuesday, or I thought so anyway.
    Fair point.

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    Hope he does not sign a new deal

    So he can go for free then?

    Even if you dont rate him (which I do), youd want him to leave for nothing? Cant see the sense in that.

    Take it you wont be complainnig about the lack of reinvestment into the team then, sinec you'd like one of our more creative players to go for nowt.

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    I think he is one of the most naturally talented players at the club. I also think he is creative going forward and a real handful for opposition defences. The trouble for me is when he is playing, we need a midfield 3 behind him who keep their shape, as his style of play is to 'float' leaving us exposed to counter attacking football.

    Shiels and Morais won't work in the same team 'cos neither of them gets back quickly enough.

    Shiels and Riordan would be the same IMO.

    Agreed, dont blame the player for his style.

    Blame the tactics because its fairly obvious having Morais and Shiels in the same line up is not going to work.

    Imo Shiels is miles ahead of Morais.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Morais and Shiels are the same player with the only difference being Dean's ability to finish, which is a lot better.
    Um no

    Shiels has not had a great start to the season but he can thread a pass through to the forwards. He is a striker that has been made into a midfielder.
    He is a far better player than Morais.

    Shiels does need dropped just now. But he would benefit from a more
    defensive midfield around him. He does not get involved in the play
    enough for someone in the 'hole' he should be linking up and involved all
    the time(I think it was midlesbourgh pre season when he was doing
    this well with keenen).

    To sum up shiels should be dropped/rested.

    Morias needs to be released/shot

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Um no

    Shiels has not had a great start to the season but he can thread a pass through to the forwards. He is a striker that has been made into a midfielder.
    He is a far better player than Morais.

    Shiels does need dropped just now. But he would benefit from a more
    defensive midfield around him. He does not get involved in the play
    enough for someone in the 'hole' he should be linking up and involved all
    the time(I think it was midlesbourgh pre season when he was doing
    this well with keenen).

    To sum up shiels should be dropped/rested.

    Morias needs to be released/shot
    Or both . . . that would be more fun - release him, THEN shoot him.

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    Or both . . . that would be more fun - release him, THEN shoot him.

    Aye let the wee shyt run for a bit - maybe across a minefield - even if he does get through there he cany out run a sniper.

    Too far?

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    Or both . . . that would be more fun - release him, THEN shoot him.
    I was thinking he is in the last year of his contract so we could get him to replace the guy that does the keepie uppies round the pitch. I think
    thats the kind of thing he would be good at.

    There must be a multitude of jobs we could get him to do round the club.
    (rather than ruin my saturday having to watch his hair do/fancy boots/annoying five aside player performance)

    Does he for example know any HTML/CSS ?

    But yes if all else fails shoot him as Petrie might force Mixu out and
    then sign him up on a 3 year deal like Brebner.

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    Re: Dean Shiels

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    He's played 4 games this season. He's made a contribution in one of them with a decent goal. Which almost made up for him missing a completely open goal from 5 yards 10 minutes before that. Other than that. He's not linking up play with other players. He isn't making himself available for passes. He runs about a lot to no great effect. He's missed some of the biggest sitters so far (and there's plenty of them). He's not even putting his foot in (one last night with the ball in the 6 yard box needing him to get a touch in particular springs to mind here).

    Why is he still getting a game? Does Mixu think that as long as he keeps playing him, the fans won't get on his back since he seems to hold some sort of hypnotic power which means everyone thinks he's playing great even when he's been utterly $#@!ing $#@!e?
    I dont agree with saying he hasnt been playing well. He was from what I saw pre-season one of our better players and he is also one of the few players on the park actually capable of putting the ball in the net on a regular basis.

    Shiels may have games where things dont come off for him but he still keeps working hard and trying. There are few like him in our team with that work ethic and Fletcher and Stevenson are a couple that do try. Lets look at the likes of Kerr last season who hid during matches when things didnt happen for him. I would happily have Shiels in the team weekly.

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