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    Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    ATLANTA - A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

    Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell imposed the mandatory sentences on Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31. Their son, Crown Shakur, weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died of starvation on April 25, 2004.

    The couple were found guilty May 2 of malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. A jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts
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    Isn't it time there was some kind of test before people are allowed to have kids ?
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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    I think they should just go a step farther and stop people in the south from breeding.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    I think they should just go a step farther and stop people in the south from breeding.
    Too late in my case.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    Well...at least your a Hibs fan, you can't be that bad of a guy.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Too late in my case.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Isn't it time there was some kind of test before people are allowed to have kids ?
    Was it a case of stupidity? Where they given the correct guidance on how to raise a baby and feed it and did they willfully ignore it. What is available in the US for free?

    If she had been breast feeding there would have been no real problem. Many babies have a bit of a reaction to soy.

    Also, we were visited daily by Health Visitors for the fitst week or so and frequently after that. I take it in the US your just left to your own devises.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Was it a case of stupidity?
    why the question mark ?

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    why the question mark ?
    They maybe did not no better as they had not been advised.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    Advice or no advice, you have to be pretty stupid to think that such lifestyle choices will be good for a new born baby.

    you would hope that the vegan community, never mind the govt, would be telling people this, given that it appears there are those so staggeringly dense they can't see it for themselves.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    They maybe did not no better as they had not been advised.
    You'd think they might have noticed that it was getting smaller rather than larger.
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    You'd think they might have noticed that it was getting smaller rather than larger.
    indeed. although that said, it's quite common for babies to go down in weight in the first few weeks after birth.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    indeed. although that said, it's quite common for babies to go down in weight in the first few weeks after birth.
    Usually with breast fed babies as they and their mums get used to the whole feeding malarkey. Most babies have enough fat to cope with that though.

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    I hate to say it, but if freakonomics is right, then the names of all involved would suggest they're not exactly paid up members of the intelligentsia.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    Here's a more detailed report. After reading it, I have absolutely no sympathy with the parents. Vegan or not, they failed in their duty of care to the child.

    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...ans.html?imw=Y

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Thank you for that carefully considered suggestion.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    Sounds like underfeeding is the issue here.

    If the baby was born a healthy weight it must have been obvious it was not well long before it reached 3.5 lb.

    You can actually buy vegan infant formula if it isn't getting breast milk. Veggie is pretty straight forward and there are plenty of them.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Was it a case of stupidity? Where they given the correct guidance on how to raise a baby and feed it and did they willfully ignore it. What is available in the US for free?

    If she had been breast feeding there would have been no real problem. Many babies have a bit of a reaction to soy.

    Also, we were visited daily by Health Visitors for the fitst week or so and frequently after that. I take it in the US your just left to your own devises.
    Information is free and available everywhere. If as we may presume the baby was born in a hospital, guidance and advice is part of the health care package. This couple must have simply ignored the advice given.

    Health visitors are a feature of the nanny state in the UK and deemed unnecessary here. The government traditionally isn't seen as ultimately responsible for the health care of infants or anybody else, but that is changing now since the Clinton administration. Health visitors or something like may come about.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Information is free and available everywhere. If as we may presume the baby was born in a hospital, guidance and advice is part of the health care package. This couple must have simply ignored the advice given.

    Health visitors are a feature of the nanny state in the UK and deemed unnecessary here. The government traditionally isn't seen as ultimately responsible for the health care of infants or anybody else, but that is changing now since the Clinton administration. Health visitors or something like may come about.
    Check ups should be mandatory to ensure that the infant is thriving and their parents are coping. At least until the end of the first month.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Information is free and available everywhere. If as we may presume the baby was born in a hospital, guidance and advice is part of the health care package. This couple must have simply ignored the advice given.

    Health visitors are a feature of the nanny state in the UK and deemed unnecessary here. The government traditionally isn't seen as ultimately responsible for the health care of infants or anybody else, but that is changing now since the Clinton administration. Health visitors or something like may come about.
    Do you think they are unnecessary? Myself & the missus were both well impressed by this offer. We had each other and were quite confident in our abilities but it was great to have someone to ask the stupid questions if we needed too.

    It is an offer that you can turn down if you'd rather not have the visits for whatever reason.

    Maybe this baby would still be alive if they had a similar scheme in the US.
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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Check ups should be mandatory to ensure that the infant is thriving and their parents are coping. At least until the end of the first month.
    I agree with that.
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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    Do you think they are unnecessary? Myself & the missus were both well impressed by this offer. We had each other and were quite confident in our abilities but it was great to have someone to ask the stupid questions if we needed too.
    No, I think they are a great idea. It's just that they are unheard of here.

    It is an offer that you can turn down if you'd rather not have the visits for whatever reason.

    Maybe this baby would still be alive if they had a similar scheme in the US.
    I don't think there's any doubt about that.

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

    I'd throw the 'parents' in a cage and lock it and starve them to death all in the middle of the largest outdoor barbeque..

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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    No, I think they are a great idea. It's just that they are unheard of here.

    I don't think there's any doubt about that.
    Sorry, I thought you were being disparaging by use of the term nanny state.
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    I'd throw the 'parents' in a cage and lock it and starve them to death all in the middle of the largest outdoor barbeque..
    As long as there was a soya based burger/sausage/kebab alternative available being cooked on a veggie-only bbq...
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    Re: Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

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    As long as there was a soya based burger/sausage/kebab alternative available being cooked on a veggie-only bbq...
    No i'd force the evil that they are to eat meat raw..

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