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    Exclamation Manager of the Year: Deserved and Undeserved Nominations.

    Okay, so the nominations for manager of the year were:

    Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)
    Neil Lennon (Hibernian)
    Steve Clarke (Kilmarnock)
    Jack Ross (St. Mirren)

    And the winner was Jack Ross. I wanted it to be our man, obviously, but it’s hard to argue with the job Ross has done in Paisley and, in fact, I think three of the four managers were fair nominations. Yet, amusingly, I don’t believe Steve Clarke should have been omitted from the shortlist… I think Brendan Rodgers should have.

    Neil Lennon brought a team into the Premiership for their first year, has built a very strong and adaptable squad, plays a strong standard of football, and has made January acquisitions that actually STRENGTHENED the team. He also dealt with dressing room unrest, and has got bums on seats while continuing the turnaround of Derby dominance that most of us lived with for three decades.

    Steve Clarke inherited a team of absolute losers who were, if I can recall, bottom of the Premiership when he took over. They’re now part of a top-five that displays a gulf between it and sixth place, he’s won against both halves of the Old Firm, and he’s contributed to the regeneration of Kris Boyd’s career on a very modest budget. He was actually my pick.

    I don’t know that much about Jack Ross, really, because I don’t follow the Championship. But, again, he appeared to inherit a struggling squad that didn’t have the same financial clout as some of his competition, and turned them into a league-winning, promotion-winning team. That said, they’ve had a very poor April and have rather staggered over the line rather than running over it.

    But Rodgers?

    Yeah, yeah. The double-treble. But this is papering over a few things. They include:

    - The financial difference between Celtic and everyone else has never been larger. The sporting advantage this confers has, therefore (and obviously), never been larger. Winning trophies with such a disparity isn’t an achievement, it’s an inevitability.
    - They’ve lost several times this season. They were well beaten at Easter Road and Rugby Park (while the scorelines didn’t suggest so), and they got thumped at Tynecastle.
    - They were humiliated in the Champions League. Twice. Not only that, they lost a full five of the six games they played with an aggregate score of 18-5; roughly translated, they shipped almost four goals for every one they scored. Yes, they were in with strong teams but this shows real tactical naivety considering Strachan and Lennon navigated the group stages successfully.
    - The “consolation” of the Europa League saw them booted out in Russia.
    - Look at the points totals. Had Hibs not thrown away points in games we dominated earlier in the year, and had Aberdeen taken even one win from both Celtic and “Rangers” this year, both would be above Celtic and looking to win the league.

    In short, Brendan Rodgers has had a comparably poor year when levelled up against the other managers that made the shortlist. The barometer where a club like Celtic should be measured saw them crucified on foreign soil, while domestic dominance has only been assured by two other clubs being profligate with points.

    All that considered, Rodgers should have been nowhere near the shortlist, let alone winning it.

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    Celtc have won only 2 more games than Aberdeen, it's not like they have Man City'd their way to the title. Clarke or Lennon should have won but Ross is a neutral winner to keep the OF happy.
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    Ross a deserved winner. Emptied by Craig Levein at the Gunts. Pleasing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Ross a deserved winner. Emptied by Craig Levein at the Gunts. Pleasing....
    What are you basing that on, bud?

    I honestly haven't followed what Jack Ross has been up to all that much so am happy to be enlightened on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    What are you basing that on, bud?

    I honestly haven't followed what Jack Ross has been up to all that much so am happy to be enlightened on it.
    He took a team struggling in the Championship [4th bottom on goal difference last season and only 6 points from relegation] and turned them in to a team that won the league at a canter this time round. I would imagine that he did it on a shoestring budget at that. I've no problem with him winning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
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    He took a team struggling in the Championship [4th bottom on goal difference last season and only 6 points from relegation] and turned them in to a team that won the league at a canter this time round. I would imagine that he did it on a shoestring budget at that. I've no problem with him winning it.
    Yeah I agree, I've got no issue with him winning it either.

    Although, it could be argued that he wasn't even the best manager in the Championship this season because David Hopkin at Livingston has done a phenomenal job.
    Seems like there's a hole in my dreams, or so it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
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    He took a team struggling in the Championship [4th bottom on goal difference last season and only 6 points from relegation] and turned them in to a team that won the league at a canter this time round. I would imagine that he did it on a shoestring budget at that. I've no problem with him winning it.
    Fair enough, my man.

    I was only looking over the current season, which doesn't provide the full context you're providing here.

    Thanks.

    But back to the topic:

    $#@! Brendan Rodgers. He's a huddy.

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    January to January, jack Ross done a ridiculously good job at St. Mirren


    I'd have said he was deserving tbh.
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    Deserved winner.
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    Four good candidates each a worthy winner.

    Next season will be interesting if Clarke, mcinnes, Rodgers are still in place.

    Although Clarke will likely struggle without Lee McCulloch to do his recruitment 😂

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    And hopefully Lennon stays. I don’t expect him to leave but two seasons of upward spiral is a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    What are you basing that on, bud?

    I honestly haven't followed what Jack Ross has been up to all that much so am happy to be enlightened on it.
    Took over a team that was a complete and utter shambles thanks to 'Gets quite a few media pay cheques slavering $#@!e because well you know who he played for' Alex Rae. Minor miracle how he turned their season around to stay up. Then this season up against others with bigger budgets he's romped home to win the title. We know that's a tough league to get out. Before he got the St Mirren job he did an unbelievable job too at Alloa. He's done all of this after despite being placed to replace Robbie Nielson at the Gunts Craig Levein decided he wasn't up to the job.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple & Green View Post
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    And hopefully Lennon stays. I don’t expect him to leave but two seasons of upward spiral is a long time.
    I'm fairly certain he'll stay.

    He's by no means skint (as far as I'm aware).

    We'll be paying him a decent wage.

    I suspect he loves the set up we have.

    He's been in cauldrons before but after happy Hibby times would he want to go back? I doubt it.

    He's been to England before. It could work out the next time but why bother when you're having a great time where you are?

    For me Hibs next stage is consolidate where we are and decent European runs. I reckon that will be a decent enough ambition for him. Go further and further each season.

    Success at home, Hampden 2 or 3 times a year and a challenging brief abroad.

    Neil Lennon doesn't need to go anywhere to be fulfilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple & Green View Post
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    And hopefully Lennon stays. I don’t expect him to leave but two seasons of upward spiral is a long time.
    He'll want a trophy with us I think (Hope).I think a respectable European run would be on his agenda too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
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    He'll want a trophy with us I think (Hope).I think a respectable European run would be on his agenda too.
    Agree with the above.
    Maintaining or improving on the standards set this season will be a big challenge for Lennon...one I feel he will relish.
    I reckon he will stay with Hibs for another season at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
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    He'll want a trophy with us I think (Hope).I think a respectable European run would be on his agenda too.
    I think that's the ambition for the "best of the rest" clubs in general, actually. Upper reaches of the league, latter stages of the cup competitions, and European football. For Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen there should generally be a couple of trophies every decade, and they'll all want to find themselves in the Europa League itself (vice the qualifying); but that's a stretch goal.

    Neil Lennon is the type of person who will be viewing things in exactly that fashion. He's laid down what he thinks is the standard, and he'll set about increasing the bar year on year. He's just that type of guy. Even on Kickback, when discussing the points gap, Hearts fans are accepting that we've got a winner at the helm no matter what you think of him as a person.

    It makes a huge difference, and has an impact on the entire club.

    But... I think he'll stay on for a bit longer. It's going to take an offer that he REALLY likes to move him, and he's not going to go anywhere else in Scotland unless there's a complete breakdown in his relationship with Hibs. That said, it's worth remembering that (like Jack Ross, I suppose) he's still a manager in the early stages of his career, and there's a lot more to come from him. If Hibs can even consolidate next year, given the players we're likely to lose this summer, the noise to move him on will become a bit too loud for our boardroom.

    In the meantime, let's just enjoy having him here.

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