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    Edinburgh city centre traffic changes...

    Looks like further pedestrianisation of as yet unnamed areas in the city centre, likely trialled in Festival time.

    Cars face ban from parts of Edinburgh’s city centre in major shake-up - Edinburgh Evening News

    Bound to polarise debate as usual...
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    I notice they blame cars etc making problems fir cyclists... but no mention of the craters this very council are completely inept at dealing with
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    Wish they would spend as much time and money fixing the potholes on the roads as they do with this sort of thing...they are a bloody nightmare.
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    I'm all for it. I'd wager there's no real need for a large percentage of journeys made by car in this city, especially the ones that pass through the Old Town. Keep some trunk routes, pedestrianise the rest. Cowgate, Candlemaker Row, West Port, High Street. The lot.
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    The system has beat me . For the past few years I have taken my car to a train station and trained it into Waverley and walked to ER.
    Wouldn't even contemplate driving the whole journey now, unless I had no choice whatsoever. From 20 zones, roadworks, pot holes , traffic jams and the lottery of parking it's just not worth the bother .
    Plus I get a pint and my step count goes up .

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
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    I'm all for it. I'd wager there's no real need for a large percentage of journeys made by car in this city, especially the ones that pass through the Old Town. Keep some trunk routes, pedestrianise the rest. Cowgate, Candlemaker Row, West Port, High Street. The lot.
    If the council continues on its anti resident, anti car agenda the city will become no better than Disney World with our castle built confidently close to the station.

    There's a balance. The council has already gone too far against the people who live and work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    If the council continues on its anti resident, anti car agenda the city will become no better than Disney World with our castle built confidently close to the station.

    There's a balance. The council has already gone too far against the people who live and work here.
    Come on. Rose St, parts of the High St and George St one month of the year - how much else is pedestrian-centred?

    "Anti-car agenda" - LOL.
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    If the tram to Leith gets the go ahead Leith walk will be down to one lane for 18 months. That lane will be for North bound traffic only. All south bound traffic will be routed via Easter Road. Could be interesting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    If the tram to Leith gets the go ahead Leith walk will be down to one lane for 18 months. That lane will be for North bound traffic only. All south bound traffic will be routed via Easter Road. Could be interesting....
    Seriously, wow... how many more businesses will they shut down i wonder.
    That will be carnage and outrage i would think, cannot fathom how Easter Road would cope
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    Quote Originally Posted by HATTIE View Post
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    Seriously, wow... how many more businesses will they shut down i wonder.
    That will be carnage and outrage i would think, cannot fathom how Easter Road would cope
    Abbeyhill Residents Association are lodging an objection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    Abbeyhill Residents Association are lodging an objection.
    No wonder, that will be chaos
    GGTTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
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    Come on. Rose St, parts of the High St and George St one month of the year - how much else is pedestrian-centred?

    "Anti-car agenda" - LOL.
    Sorry but for me Edinburgh is a horrendous driving experience. And I feel it's very anti car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Sorry but for me Edinburgh is a horrendous driving experience. And I feel it's very anti car.
    And i agree totally
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    If the tram to Leith gets the go ahead Leith walk will be down to one lane for 18 months. That lane will be for North bound traffic only. All south bound traffic will be routed via Easter Road. Could be interesting....
    Been saying for a while that this is the best option. Northbound only on LW, southbound only on ER. Both are wide enough, in theory you could get 3 lanes on ER at certain points. Make the connecting streets one way alternating. Seems like an obvious and sensible solution to running trams on LW. Constitution St will be closed to traffic in 2 years too.

    On the more general point of the council being anti car, they are and it should go further. Folk use cars for the smallest trips, congestion is a joke and environmentally it makes no sense. I'd bring in congestion charges. Folk in Edinburgh are like Americans with guns.

    I'd invest heavily in more tram lines. Small time thinking by our council ignoring the south sub, the line between Leith and Portobello, a line out to the hospital, i'd even run a tram out to Livi. Small time thinking in relation to cyclists too. We're so backwards compared to other countries. Small time.

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    Abbeyhill Residents Association are lodging an objection.
    On what basis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Been saying for a while that this is the best option. Northbound only on LW, southbound only on ER. Both are wide enough, in theory you could get 3 lanes on ER at certain points. Make the connecting streets one way alternating. Seems like an obvious and sensible solution to running trams on LW. Constitution St will be closed to traffic in 2 years too.

    On the more general point of the council being anti car, they are and it should go further. Folk use cars for the smallest trips, congestion is a joke and environmentally it makes no sense. I'd bring in congestion charges. Folk in Edinburgh are like Americans with guns.

    I'd invest heavily in more tram lines. Small time thinking by our council ignoring the south sub, the line between Leith and Portobello, a line out to the hospital, i'd even run a tram out to Livi. Small time thinking in relation to cyclists too. We're so backwards compared to other countries. Small time.

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    On what basis?
    We all go abroad and think it’s great when we wander down traffic free streets and squares but total outrage when it’s suggested for here....
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    On what basis?
    On the grounds of congestion, pollution and safety for pedestrians and cyclists. There's seemingly a meeting next week to discuss.

    They are particularly concerned about the impact on the colonies, which can only be exited on to Easter Road. The capacity of Leith Walk to cope is much bigger than ER. Even with roadworks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    On the grounds of congestion, pollution and safety for pedestrians and cyclists. There's seemingly a meeting next week to discuss.

    They are particularly concerned about the impact on the colonies, which can only be exited on to Easter Road.
    I'm sure they'll have done their research, I wonder if they've factored in Bonnington Road taking some of the stress off ER? Turning the direction of traffic on Alva place, and maybe even reopening Maryfield could help alleviate some concerns?

    Not sure that making ER one way would create more pollution or congestion. In my mind it would make things run more smoothly with less of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    On the more general point of the council being anti car, they are and it should go further. Folk use cars for the smallest trips, congestion is a joke and environmentally it makes no sense. I'd bring in congestion charges. Folk in Edinburgh are like Americans with guns.
    You're spot on here, especially the "Americans with guns" analogy.

    I think the assertion that Edinburgh is "anti-car" is hyperbole anyway, but you're quite right - why the fcuk shouldn't it be? The place is choked with cars - the bit of the High St between the World's End and The Mitre, for instance, is just ridiculous. Full of Sierras with one body sat in them. A congestion charge, with proportional exemptions for commercial vehicles, makes perfect sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    I'm sure they'll have done their research, I wonder if they've factored in Bonnington Road taking some of the stress off ER? Turning the direction of traffic on Alva place, and maybe even reopening Maryfield could help alleviate some concerns?

    Not sure that making ER one way would create more pollution or congestion. In my mind it would make things run more smoothly with less of both.
    Turning the direction on Alva/Maryfield would make the Colonies a rat run if ER traffic was queued back heading South. That was one of the reasons for the changes there. It's meant a lot of traffic problems on Rossie Place where double parking by people visiting the shops at ER just dump their cars to pop to Greigs instead of paying to park in the bays on the Montgomery Steer side of ER. Cars queuing south on ER already block the junction at Rossie Place as most are so fed up they ignore highway code around junctions.

    There's a parking review on the cards for Abbeyhill - there have been enough signatures to the council to invoke it. Pressures from residents association for extending the CPZ to include the East side streets on ER including the Colonies. Removing it as a free car park might reduce some of the traffic issues they are already plagued with. The introduction of the CPZ on only one side of ER was madness in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HATTIE View Post
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    And i agree totally
    I voted for the congestion charge in order to raise money and stop non essential journeys. However, the council has made it almost impossible to drive in Edinburgh even for essential journeys. The analogy that a car owner in Edinburgh is like a gun owner over the pond is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    Turning the direction on Alva/Maryfield would make the Colonies a rat run if ER traffic was queued back heading South. That was one of the reasons for the changes there. It's meant a lot of traffic problems on Rossie Place where double parking by people visiting the shops at ER just dump their cars to pop to Greigs instead of paying to park in the bays on the Montgomery Steer side of ER. Cars queuing south on ER already block the junction at Rossie Place as most are so fed up they ignore highway code around junctions.

    There's a parking review on the cards for Abbeyhill - there have been enough signatures to the council to invoke it. Pressures from residents association for extending the CPZ to include the East side streets on ER including the Colonies. Removing it as a free car park might reduce some of the traffic issues they are already plagued with. The introduction of the CPZ on only one side of ER was madness in the first place.
    Doesn't sound ideal. There's probably no solution that'll keep residents and drivers happy. The slow creep of paid parking further out of town is unstoppable.

    I saw yesterday that it's now cheaper to take a parking ticket on George Street than pay & move during the day!

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    Turning the direction on Alva/Maryfield would make the Colonies a rat run if ER traffic was queued back heading South. That was one of the reasons for the changes there. It's meant a lot of traffic problems on Rossie Place where double parking by people visiting the shops at ER just dump their cars to pop to Greigs instead of paying to park in the bays on the Montgomery Steer side of ER. Cars queuing south on ER already block the junction at Rossie Place as most are so fed up they ignore highway code around junctions.

    There's a parking review on the cards for Abbeyhill - there have been enough signatures to the council to invoke it. Pressures from residents association for extending the CPZ to include the East side streets on ER including the Colonies. Removing it as a free car park might reduce some of the traffic issues they are already plagued with. The introduction of the CPZ on only one side of ER was madness in the first place.
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