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    VAR

    Is anyone watching this farce unfolding at Anfield? 3-4 minute stoppages each incident, the Mo Sallah penalty one came down to opinion in the end as replays were IMO inconclusive. Should only be used for clear cut decisions i.e. offsides. On the plus side it only seems to be getting used to shaft WBA and Pardew!

    Takes a lot of the drama away from the big moments in games, not for me.

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    How often is it being used? Could be $#@! if every decision is reviewed.

    Should be like tennis and it's player appeal I think.

    Leave it to the aggrieved player, captain and manager. 2 or 3 per game.
    The ref should still be given the benefit of his initial opinion imo.
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    Should only be used for goal line disputes...nothing else.
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    wouldn't bother using it at all, will just make the game even worse where used
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    I'd like goalline technology, it's instant and more accurate than refs. VAR interrupts the game and isn't necessarily more accurate for every decision. So it can bolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Should only be used for goal line disputes...nothing else.
    That and penalty awards. Catch the divers
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    There were 3 VAR incidents in the first half and for me they spoiled what had been a very decent half of football. If VAR must come it should be on a challenge-based system (similar to tennis) where each manager has one opportunity a game to challenge a decision once the ball goes dead. But doing this would maybe just end up with the referee deferring the big decisions onto the respective managers?
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    Better to take a bit longer and get the big decisions right. The process does need refined with rules as to when to use it or not. The downsides are that in its current guise it disrupts the glow of matches and officials may become over-reliant on the technology rather than their own judgment

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    That match was a shambles - I think I’d have left at half time, VAR does not improve the game or benefit the spectators at the match. It’ll become a sponsorship opportunity, nothing more.

    I’m all for goal line technology, but not this use of VAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HibeeZab View Post
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    That match was a shambles - I think I’d have left at half time, VAR does not improve the game or benefit the spectators at the match. It’ll become a sponsorship opportunity, nothing more. I’m all for goal line technology, but not this use of VAR.
    I was at the game and enjoyed it with VAR adding to the drama. If it goes in your favour it’s great, if not, it’s $#@!.Football needs to learn from rugby union, the TMO contribution is seamless as well as informative.Imagine the referee with audio last night for all to hear, players effing and blinding, it’s not happening, thankfully.Professional football remains miles behind other sports, not including salary, for lots of reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibs1337 View Post
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    I was at the game and enjoyed it with VAR adding to the drama. If it goes in your favour it’s great, if not, it’s $#@!.Football needs to learn from rugby union, the TMO contribution is seamless as well as informative.Imagine the referee with audio last night for all to hear, players effing and blinding, it’s not happening, thankfully.Professional football remains miles behind other sports, not including salary, for lots of reasons
    I'm with this...if it had been used at Tynecastle, we would have chalked up two more wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy View Post
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    I'm with this...if it had been used at Tynecastle, we would have chalked up two more wins
    Goal line technology not VAR would have helped us.

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    I was at the game and enjoyed it with VAR adding to the drama. If it goes in your favour it’s great, if not, it’s $#@!.Football needs to learn from rugby union, the TMO contribution is seamless as well as informative.Imagine the referee with audio last night for all to hear, players effing and blinding, it’s not happening, thankfully.Professional football remains miles behind other sports, not including salary, for lots of reasons
    Fair enough, interesting to hear from someone there. TMO works well in rugby, but that is a different sport where long stoppages are more common.

    I just think a key part of football is opinion, lose that and the game loses some of it’s essence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HibeeZab View Post
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    Goal line technology not VAR would have helped us.

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    Fair enough, interesting to hear from someone there. TMO works well in rugby, but that is a different sport where long stoppages are more common.

    I just think a key part of football is opinion, lose that and the game loses some of it’s essence.
    VAR, goal line technology, it's the same thing.

    IMO there is absolutely no sound reason why the process applied to professional rugby union for play review could not work for football. Crowds would get used to the game stopping for the right reasons.
    TMO hasn't always been present during rugby, the players and crowd now accept it without question.

    Granted, VAR is far to clunky currently.

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    [QUOTE=HibeeZab;1603309]Goal line technology not VAR would have helped us.

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    Yes but they keep telling us we cant afford it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibs1337 View Post
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    VAR, goal line technology, it's the same thing.

    IMO there is absolutely no sound reason why the process applied to professional rugby union for play review could not work for football. Crowds would get used to the game stopping for the right reasons.
    TMO hasn't always been present during rugby, the players and crowd now accept it without question.

    Granted, VAR is far to clunky currently.
    I get what you’re saying, but I just don’t think it works within the context of football the same way.

    On the technology front I don’t think it is the same, one is factual the other is still subjective. The goal line technology used provides an instant alert to officials that the ball has crossed the line, VAR is a case of replays being watched by another official to form an opinion.

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    Yes but they keep telling us we cant afford it
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    I'm all for any system that help refs make the right decision, and can't for the life of me understand how any fair-minded fan can think differently.

    Offside in the build up to a goal, ball over the line is binary; a player is offside or not, the ball is over the line or not. Same applies to mistaken identity. What's not to like about technology supporting these decisions?

    I can see where some peeps are coming from for penalties, sending offs, which are indeed subjective decisions. Not many will be controversial after being reviewed, those that are don't meet the 'clear error' requirement. The case for the defence is that it will greatly reduce players getting away with cheating, which is a cancer of our beautiful game. Cheats - when caught by video evidence - are rightly punished retrospectively. Changing that to real time by sending them off (getting booked for cheating to win a penalty or get a player sent off doesn't cut it for me) during the game means instant justice. Again, what's not to like? We might even get to the point where if a ref does make a wrong call, as with Aaron Hunt, that the player tells the ref his decision is wrong. That's the level of sporting integrity we all want, surely?

    Fitba' can and should learn from other sports that use technology, VAR, etc. Rugby in particular, as it's the closest we've got in terms of how the game flows. Speed it up and we've got a huge advance in the game on our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oo2beahibby View Post
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    I'm all for any system that help refs make the right decision, and can't for the life of me understand how any fair-minded fan can think differently.

    Offside in the build up to a goal, ball over the line is binary; a player is offside or not, the ball is over the line or not. Same applies to mistaken identity. What's not to like about technology supporting these decisions?

    I can see where some peeps are coming from for penalties, sending offs, which are indeed subjective decisions. Not many will be controversial after being reviewed, those that are don't meet the 'clear error' requirement. The case for the defence is that it will greatly reduce players getting away with cheating, which is a cancer of our beautiful game. Cheats - when caught by video evidence - are rightly punished retrospectively. Changing that to real time by sending them off (getting booked for cheating to win a penalty or get a player sent off doesn't cut it for me) during the game means instant justice. Again, what's not to like? We might even get to the point where if a ref does make a wrong call, as with Aaron Hunt, that the player tells the ref his decision is wrong. That's the level of sporting integrity we all want, surely?

    Fitba' can and should learn from other sports that use technology, VAR, etc. Rugby in particular, as it's the closest we've got in terms of how the game flows. Speed it up and we've got a huge advance in the game on our hands.
    The rugby was on one of the tellies in the pub.

    There were a couple of times the TMO (television match official) was involved. It did take a bit of time but I found it added to the suspense and thrill of the game and when the decisions came all the emotions were running high.

    Of course at the big stadia there's big screens were everyone can see how the final decision was taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    The rugby was on one of the tellies in the pub.

    There were a couple of times the TMO (television match official) was involved. It did take a bit of time but I found it added to the suspense and thrill of the game and when the decisions came all the emotions were running high.

    Of course at the big stadia there's big screens were everyone can see how the final decision was taken.
    VAR is great for major leagues and tournaments for the reasons you've stated and more, Jack. The technology and data is there, once it's joined it up quickly it'll be a huge step forward.

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    VAR could have come in useful today at Anfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Should only be used for goal line disputes...nothing else.
    Yep.

    Goal-line technology is overdue, but that's where we should stop.

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