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    What do we need to improve in this window......?

    Parking all the speculation that will come up in "someone in the know" forum, what do you think we need in the window?

    For me the signing of Scott Bain is a good one, Rocky needs real competition, he will get it from Scott.

    We have ongoing issues at right back, a loan deal may suffice there, unless Sir David and Whitts gets themselves properly fit over the break.

    We are strong in the middle of the defence wth Efe, Paul and Daz superb most of the time, backed up with the promising Porteous, and I think Lewis has been first class this season.

    We have a good defensive midfield in Barts, Dylan and SJM (who I do not think will leave in this window), Slivka may shine if given game time, and Danny is back now but I do think we still might need a midfielder who can score goals, take a decent corner and play incisive passes through to the strikers.

    Boyler has been a revelation, he has improved dramically as Shrink so often said he would, Martin just needs to practice his shooting now. Barker is getting better, happy for him to stay with us.

    However, Stokes has been a major disappointment, his moments of brilliance are just that, but he looks lazy and disinterested far too much of the time.

    Olly looks really, really promising and Simon has proven he can score goals. As everyone one has correctly said, we need a target man, a good old fashioned number 9, not like Grant Holt as people keep saying, he was a huddie who rarely scored last season, nice guy who put himself about a bit and got Hibs though. I would like to see someone in the mould of Mixu, Brewster or Chris Killen ideally?

    We also have young Fraser Murray who looks a player waiting in the wings.

    Summary, keeper is now sorted.

    Right back even on loan to cover the perenially injured Gray and Whittaker.

    A tip of the diamond midfielder who can pass, shoot and take corners.

    A target man.

    Any thoughts?
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    Even though I like our midfield we don't score enough goals from this area.
    So we need a goal scoring midfielder and for me another striker of better quality as the ones we have got aren't doing it .

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    Number 9 is the vital one. Tough to get though. If we are after a “Mixu in his second spell” type, I’d love to see us go for that lad “The Beast” at Wycombe Wanderers. 35, looks ridiculously huge (like two brick $#@!houses), other fans would take the piss, but he’s on 11 for the season so far... Cult hero in the making.

    Don’t know how fussed I am about an RB. Granted our two best are crocked, but Efe and even Daz are effective and experienced in that position. I’d rather have some competition at LB if I’m honest (but we’ve been saying that for years).

    However I do agree that an attacking midfielder is needed. Would love to see a move for that lad Crawford from Accies.

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    The first priority for me would be a traditional number nine type striker who can lead the line and get in all those areas that our team is not doing at the moment.

    A Keith Wright type would be perfect and make Hibs so much more effective up front.

    Re midfield, I am hopeful that Danny Swanson will emerge like a new signing and pitch in with a few goals too.

    Right back - not too worried, either Gray or Whittaker will get fit and in the meantime Ambrose is a more than adequate deputy. I wouldn't spend money on it.

    I think with the signing of Bain We're fairly well set. That additional forward MUST be found for Hibs to further improve on results though so that's where the investment should lie.

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    Happy New Year, Mark.

    I’m pleased Hibs have signed Scott Bain, although it has taken them 18 months to do it...

    A decent, experienced rb OR a young loanee for 6 months would do next.

    I think a penalty box striker would possibly negate the need for a tip of the diamond type- I think Swanson can play there if we have a no.9 ahead of him.

    I hope SJM stays but I wouldn’t grudge him a move- he’s a bona fide legend.

    If he is sold, I’d like Fraser Murray to get more game time too.

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    A striker is the priority - we need someone who can add a physical presence, link the play, but most importantly score goals and take advantage of the balls played across the box. If we only sign a good striker (in addition to Scott Bain) I’ll be happy.

    If Danny Swanson is fit & focussed he can be the man to add goals & creativity to our midfield, especially if he plays behind a new striker.
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    I would like to see slivka in cm if Sjm goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1875 View Post
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    Parking all the speculation that will come up in "someone in the know" forum, what do you think we need in the window?For me the signing of Scott Bain is a good one, Rocky needs real competition, he will get it from Scott. We have ongoing issues at right back, a loan deal may suffice there, unless Sir David and Whitts gets themselves properly fit over the break. We are strong in the middle of the defence wth Efe, Paul and Daz superb most of the time, backed up with the promising Porteous, and I think Lewis has been first class this season. We have a good defensive midfield in Barts, Dylan and SJM (who I do not think will leave in this window), Slivka may shine if given game time, and Danny is back now but I do think we still might need a midfielder who can score goals, take a decent corner and play incisive passes through to the strikers. Boyler has been a revelation, he has improved dramically as Shrink so often said he would, Martin just needs to practice his shooting now. Barker is getting better, happy for him to stay with us. However, Stokes has been a major disappointment, his moments of brilliance are just that, but he looks lazy and disinterested far too much of the time. Olly looks really, really promising and Simon has proven he can score goals. As everyone one has correctly said, we need a target man, a good old fashioned number 9, not like Grant Holt as people keep saying, he was a huddie who rarely scored last season, nice guy who put himself about a bit and got Hibs though. I would like to see someone in the mould of Mixu, Brewster or Chris Killen ideally?We also have young Fraser Murray who looks a player waiting in the wings.Summary, keeper is now sorted.Right back even on loan to cover the perenially injured Gray and Whittaker.A tip of the diamond midfielder who can pass, shoot and take corners.A target man.Any thoughts?
    A big number nine like holty or mixu. Attacking midfielder like pat miginlay. Swanson will be like a new signing. Also, Lenny needs to adjust tactics so not over passing.

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    A "zemmama" type, who scores, and can open up defences with through balls, and a number 9 and imo, we are sorted.

    As someone has already said Crawford at Hamilton, or dare i say it Scott Allan??

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    Probably need 22 players for the squad - so 2 keepers 8 defenders 8 midfielders 4 forwards. Maybe get away with 3 forwards and 9 midfielders given the prevalence of 4-5-1.

    I think our defenc hasn’t been strong or switched on enough, but we have had issues with injury. Is still look to strengthen though.

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    A big 9 is obvious.

    I'm a bit concerned about calls for an attacking midfielder. We discussed this on a thread after Saturday's game.

    There's no point though in an attacking midfielder if the manager isn't already drumming it into the midfielders we have to get in the penalty area! He clearly isn't or there'd be more than Squirrel hiding up the back of the bus! I can't for the life of me think the midfielders we have are incapable of making a nuisance of themselves on the penalty spot!

    We have to fundamentally rethink the way we play in the final third.
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    Reckon Aberdeen would do business with Rooney? Probably not, but that's exactly the blueprint of player we need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
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    Reckon Aberdeen would do business with Rooney? Probably not, but that's exactly the blueprint of player we need.


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    We require someone upfront who can lead the line and hold the ball up and bring others into play. A bit like Holt did last season but preferably someone younger. An attacking goalscoring midfielder would be good and IMO we need to provide some competition in the left-back area for Lewis Stevenson.

    All of the above is of course assuming nobody leaves. I really hope McGinn stays till the end of the season, but if he goes then Lennon will have to re-shape our midfield.
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    Our best fitbaw has been when Bartley, Dylan and John are in the midfield. Then Boyle, Barker and Murray up front. The team place with such a higher tempo when Stokes is out the team. I think the team needs a target man in the shape of Mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    A few years back. He's finished.
    He's scored 12 goals in 22 games this season, Stokes has scored 11 in 21.

    He's obviously not finished where putting the ball in the back of the net is.

    He's not the answer for us though.

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    Our best fitbaw has been when Bartley, Dylan and John are in the midfield. Then Boyle, Barker and Murray up front. The team place with such a higher tempo when Stokes is out the team. I think the team needs a target man in the shape of Mould.
    A Chris Killen type would improve the team considerably.

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    We need Pat McGinley to regenerate and start scoring goals from midfield for us. That, and (as many have already said) a target man who can also score goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple & Green View Post
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    A Chris Killen type would improve the team considerably.
    Teams crying out for someone like Killen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    Teams crying out for someone like Killen.
    I did say that in my OP. Bit of Mixu in there too.
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    If only Kris Boyd wasn’t a total fud. He would be perfect.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I'd take him also

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    As discussed yesterday mate. Spot on. Anyone old enough to remember Joe McBride Snr. back in 1968-71. Peterheid St. Pat's massive, Brian in Quatar and my amigo Dr Shrink step forward.

    Right in fae Celtic after an excellent record there, scoring on his debut, against the Hundogs, 3 in his second match, against Lokomotive Leipzig, and 4 goals in his third match, against Morton. He was Hibs' top goalscorer in both the 1968–69 and 1969–70 seasons, and scored a second European hat-trick for Hibs, against Malmö.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    As discussed yesterday mate. Spot on. Anyone old enough to remember Joe McBride Snr. back in 1968-71. Peterheid St. Pat's massive, Brian in Quatar and my amigo Dr Shrink step forward.

    Right in fae Celtic after an excellent record there, scoring on his debut, against the Hundogs, 3 in his second match, against Lokomotive Leipzig, and 4 goals in his third match, against Morton. He was Hibs' top goalscorer in both the 1968–69 and 1969–70 seasons, and scored a second European hat-trick for Hibs, against Malmö.

    Wee poacher.....brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    As discussed yesterday mate. Spot on. Anyone old enough to remember Joe McBride Snr. back in 1968-71. Peterheid St. Pat's massive, Brian in Quatar and my amigo Dr Shrink step forward.

    Right in fae Celtic after an excellent record there, scoring on his debut, against the Hundogs, 3 in his second match, against Lokomotive Leipzig, and 4 goals in his third match, against Morton. He was Hibs' top goalscorer in both the 1968–69 and 1969–70 seasons, and scored a second European hat-trick for Hibs, against Malmö.

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    Aye, I remember Joe Snr well. Just the type of player Hibs need now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue toon hibby View Post
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    Aye, I remember Joe Snr well. Just the type of player Hibs need now.
    I seem to remember his first goal was against the Huns, and was a volley in the box shooting downhill................................


    That may be absolute rubbish though.

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    Joe McBride junior was decent too, couple of great free kicks at Tynie
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    Quote Originally Posted by tricky View Post
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    Joe McBride junior was decent too, couple of great free kicks at Tynie
    Great ending to that game - although not many Hibs fans left at the end to see it!

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    What about Kris Doolan from Partick? Worth a look?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
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    What about Kris Doolan from Partick? Worth a look?


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    Suggested him a few weeks ago...apparently has ongoing injury problems however.
    If fit I would like to see him at Hibs. An experienced striker and scorer of over 100 goals for Partick Thistle in the Championship and the top league.
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    I was thinking about strikers with Scottish experience who aren’t getting a game down south that also fit the big number 9 description we are talking about...


    ...imagine we got Osman Sow from MK Dons and he scored the winner at the end of the month. It’d be worth it for the seethe alone!

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    I was thinking about strikers with Scottish experience who aren’t getting a game down south that also fit the big number 9 description we are talking about...


    ...imagine we got Osman Sow from MK Dons and he scored the winner at the end of the month. It’d be worth it for the seethe alone!
    Hes only scored twice and no since September, better Gary Harkins than him


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    Any $#@!er that kens that the goals are 8 yards by 8 feet and blocked by normally a thinish thing called a goalie, yet a big enough target to give it a dash as soon as he can do so. Sign him. Fancy sideways passing and possession isnae worth a sook , disnae get Hibs the points needed to be serious contenders , which is definitely possible.

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    NL done very well to move quickly for Scott Bain.

    As others have said we don't score enough from the midfield and when SJM leaves I would like us to bring in Mallan and Henderson

    We need competition for Gray & Whitaker but a poaching striker is a priority, with the amount of balls get put into the box a poaching striker will help kill off teams we should have swept away in the first part of the season.
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    We've got two right backs. We don't need a third one we just need a fit one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    We've got two right backs. We don't need a third one we just need a fit one...
    Agree, who would imagine that the club will invest in three experienced players for the right-back position? What would you do with the present guys when they're fit? One an internationalist and another a football 'Knight'.

    In addition to that, we also have a perfectly good stand-by in Ambrose.

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    We've got two right backs. We don't need a third one we just need a fit one...
    Exactly. Though Gray has been on the bench the past two games so you'd think he must be fit?

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    We've got two right backs. We don't need a third one we just need a fit one...
    It's cover at left-back we could do with to be honest..
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    It's cover at left-back we could do with to be honest..
    Stevenson never seems to be injured or suspended, think Whittaker is probably the cover for left back.
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    Stevenson never seems to be injured or suspended, think Whittaker is probably the cover for left back.
    Yep, and midfield too to an extent. I think the squad was added to intelligently to provide cover in various positions during the last window and that should be recognised.

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    Bit of an aside, but our kind of level I feel everyone is always looking to buy a '20-goal striker'. But demand massively outstrips supply and those players are usually bought by bigger clubs or are expensive, and thus a gamble.

    Consider this: when did Hibs last buy this kind of goalscorer? Even one who had done it at a lower level, or hasn't done it but goes on to do so for us? It's really rare.

    I guess James Collins just about qualifies but he was a dud. Griffiths was a loan. Deek, GOC, Kenny M, Fletch and Cummings all effectively started at hibs. Mixu wasn't really that kind of player and thus didn't score quite enough to count. Clayton Donaldson banged them in for York but couldn't do so for us.

    Lavety, Crawford, Zitelli, Lehmann, Brewster, Luna, Dobbie, Morrow, Nish, Benji, Tam McM - liked several of them a great deal, but none was particularly prolific.

    Chris Killen is a good example but sort of proves the rule since we unearthed a bit of a gem and he promptly left, then turned rubbish again. Marc Libbra ditto, disappeared as soon as others realised he was good. Malonga? Not sure what happened there or whether he quite qualifies. I've probably missed some out but nobody springs to mind.

    Going back to before my time watching, Darren Jackson, Keith, Steve Archibald? Don't know loads about them beyond the stats and the fact that I get the feeling that Hibs had more resources, relatively speaking, back then.

    Which leaves Stokes who reportedly initially cost us 500k. And plays for us, without scoring bucketloads.

    So if you're doing this as Hibs you're going into a market that is so thin that it's basically rigged against you. The idea that these guys can be picked up even with considerable effort just isn't true, I think. So it looks like the best bet is to try to home-grow that kind of player, sell them and then repeat.
    so what do I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryLB View Post
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    Bit of an aside, but our kind of level I feel everyone is always looking to buy a '20-goal striker'. But demand massively outstrips supply and those players are usually bought by bigger clubs or are expensive, and thus a gamble.

    Consider this: when did Hibs last buy this kind of goalscorer? Even one who had done it at a lower level, or hasn't done it but goes on to do so for us? It's really rare.

    I guess James Collins just about qualifies but he was a dud. Griffiths was a loan. Deek, GOC, Kenny M, Fletch and Cummings all effectively started at hibs. Mixu wasn't really that kind of player and thus didn't score quite enough to count. Clayton Donaldson banged them in for York but couldn't do so for us.

    Lavety, Crawford, Zitelli, Lehmann, Brewster, Luna, Dobbie, Morrow, Nish, Benji, Tam McM - liked several of them a great deal, but none was particularly prolific.

    Chris Killen is a good example but sort of proves the rule since we unearthed a bit of a gem and he promptly left, then turned rubbish again. Marc Libbra ditto, disappeared as soon as others realised he was good. Malonga? Not sure what happened there or whether he quite qualifies. I've probably missed some out but nobody springs to mind.

    Going back to before my time watching, Darren Jackson, Keith, Steve Archibald? Don't know loads about them beyond the stats and the fact that I get the feeling that Hibs had more resources, relatively speaking, back then.

    Which leaves Stokes who reportedly initially cost us 500k. And plays for us, without scoring bucketloads.

    So if you're doing this as Hibs you're going into a market that is so thin that it's basically rigged against you. The idea that these guys can be picked up even with considerable effort just isn't true, I think. So it looks like the best bet is to try to home-grow that kind of player, sell them and then repeat.
    Good post.

    I think Keith, Keith, Keith Wright and Darren Jackson were the last two recruited who were reasonably prolific...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryLB View Post
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    Bit of an aside, but our kind of level I feel everyone is always looking to buy a '20-goal striker'. But demand massively outstrips supply and those players are usually bought by bigger clubs or are expensive, and thus a gamble.

    Consider this: when did Hibs last buy this kind of goalscorer? Even one who had done it at a lower level, or hasn't done it but goes on to do so for us? It's really rare.

    I guess James Collins just about qualifies but he was a dud. Griffiths was a loan. Deek, GOC, Kenny M, Fletch and Cummings all effectively started at hibs. Mixu wasn't really that kind of player and thus didn't score quite enough to count. Clayton Donaldson banged them in for York but couldn't do so for us.

    Lavety, Crawford, Zitelli, Lehmann, Brewster, Luna, Dobbie, Morrow, Nish, Benji, Tam McM - liked several of them a great deal, but none was particularly prolific.

    Chris Killen is a good example but sort of proves the rule since we unearthed a bit of a gem and he promptly left, then turned rubbish again. Marc Libbra ditto, disappeared as soon as others realised he was good. Malonga? Not sure what happened there or whether he quite qualifies. I've probably missed some out but nobody springs to mind.

    Going back to before my time watching, Darren Jackson, Keith, Steve Archibald? Don't know loads about them beyond the stats and the fact that I get the feeling that Hibs had more resources, relatively speaking, back then.

    Which leaves Stokes who reportedly initially cost us 500k. And plays for us, without scoring bucketloads.

    So if you're doing this as Hibs you're going into a market that is so thin that it's basically rigged against you. The idea that these guys can be picked up even with considerable effort just isn't true, I think. So it looks like the best bet is to try to home-grow that kind of player, sell them and then repeat.
    Eoin Doyle had that potential but we didn’t get anywhere near the best out of him partly due to him living in Sparky’s shadow and partly due to the fact that overall Hibs were a poor footballing side. In better times i think he would have bagged a lot more for us.

    I’d love us to find a Do Do Do Dominique Malonga type. I think he would have fitted in to NL’s game well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bofahibee View Post
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    Eoin Doyle had that potential but we didn’t get anywhere near the best out of him partly due to him living in Sparky’s shadow and partly due to the fact that overall Hibs were a poor footballing side. In better times i think he would have bagged a lot more for us.
    Good shout, I'd forgotten about him. Appears to be banging them in for Oldham.
    so what do I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bofahibee View Post
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    Eoin Doyle had that potential but we didn’t get anywhere near the best out of him partly due to him living in Sparky’s shadow and partly due to the fact that overall Hibs were a poor footballing side. In better times i think he would have bagged a lot more for us.

    I’d love us to find a Do Do Do Dominique Malonga type. I think he would have fitted in to NL’s game well.


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    Now playing with Servette, only came on as a sub 6 times played about 72 mins of football all season. I still think he could do a job with us, but I thought Stokes would bang in 20+ this season not looking too good for that at present, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastMeetsWest View Post
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    Now playing with Servette, only came on as a sub 6 times played about 72 mins of football all season. I still think he could do a job with us, but I thought Stokes would bang in 20+ this season not looking too good for that at present, sadly.
    I'd say Stokes is perfectly positioned to get 20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    I'd say Stokes is perfectly positioned to get 20?
    I've no doubt of his ability to do it but for one reason or another including performance he is not doing it. Think he is only on 7 league goals for season so far?

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    Do we only count league goals when we consider players this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammi View Post
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    Do we only count league goals when we consider players this way?
    Thank you! I dunno where this only league goals $#@!e comes from?? It's moved on from "Ach it was only a penalty"

    Very strange, as if it didn't matter. A goal is a goal is a $#@!in goal...

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