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    Living in the dark ages

    How many years have we had ball line technology surrounding a whole tennis court yet for a mere 12 yards or so we cannot cover a goal line!!! We have now drawn 2 games at Tynecastle we should have won. They say things balance out, but if that happened in a cup final, how could it be balanced? We have video technology now that can produce a replay in seconds, yet we persist in relying on linesmen and refs! It is time for a change and clubs and supporters need to hammer this message home

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    Add in Leigh Griffiths free-kick in a derby a few years ago at Easter Road miles over the line and not given...one of the worst decisions ever.
    Tonight's was another sore one...hard to say if it would have won us the game as there was still a long way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Add in Leigh Griffiths free-kick in a derby a few years ago at Easter Road miles over the line and not given...one of the worst decisions ever.
    Tonight's was another sore one...hard to say if it would have won us the game as there was still a long way to go.
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    That was other game I was thinking of. Yes they might have scored, but thats not really the point. We would be one up and it could have gave us even more freedom to score more, we will never know. But the truth is it takes very little to incorporate goal line technology and the SPL and others need to wake up. Whatever would have happened it would have meant a whole lot to Oli Shaw

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    Thought this was a thread about the HoMFC attempt at playing the beautiful game.
    The old crazy gang Wimbledon would have turned their noses up at Levein's approach to that game. Not only were they content to hoof from the first minute they were sent out to commit fouls to prevent one team from trying to play the game.

    He will be absolutely delighted with a clean sheet. We shouldn't have allowed that but poor distribution, timing of runs and a few non performers in forward areas let them out of jail.

    Shaw also got too much on his sand wedge chip and it should have been buried - back of the net as they say. Then there'd be no need to discuss another referee failure costing us in a derby.

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    Thought this was a thread about the HoMFC attempt at playing the beautiful game.
    The old crazy gang Wimbledon would have turned their noses up at Levein's approach to that game. Not only were they content to hoof from the first minute they were sent out to commit fouls to prevent one team from trying to play the game.

    He will be absolutely delighted with a clean sheet. We shouldn't have allowed that but poor distribution, timing of runs and a few non performers in forward areas let them out of jail.

    Shaw also got too much on his sand wedge chip and it should have been buried - back of the net as they say. Then there'd be no need to discuss another referee failure costing us in a derby.


    Maybe, but still not prepared to let refs or the SPL off the hook

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    Not to mention Jordon Forster's disallowed goal against them that was clearly not offside. It's the $#@!in Lodge I tell ye just because we wear green. Sad $#@!ey little country. Pah!

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    I think the £250,000 per ground to have it fitted will mean it will be a long time before we see it in Scotland.

    If course if the Scottish Football Authorities were to invest in the game, instead of themselves, then the cost to each club could be reduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EA2007 View Post
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    Shaw also got too much on his sand wedge chip and it should have been buried - back of the net as they say. Then there'd be no need to discuss another referee failure costing us in a derby.
    No danger. He scored a perfectly good goal. In no way should any blame for that not being allowed be laid at the feet our young striker.

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    No danger. He scored a perfectly good goal. In no way should any blame for that not being allowed be laid at the feet our young striker.
    He didn’t score a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EA2007 View Post
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    He didn’t score a goal.
    Ha! Aye right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    No danger. He scored a perfectly good goal. In no way should any blame for that not being allowed be laid at the feet our young striker.
    Correct another goal for Oli. He looks a finisher. Having a mixu or a holt alongside would be massive for his development

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    Quote Originally Posted by EA2007 View Post
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    Shaw also got too much on his sand wedge chip and it should have been buried - back of the net as they say.
    Did you see the replay at all? Squirrel diidn't just cut it back, he half-volleyed it at great speed. Oli did a fantastic job to cushion it as he hit it precisely to keep it down as much as possible.

    And job done, it crossed the line.

    Shame that doesn't make it a goal eh?

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    The SPFL have issued a statement today basically saying that goal line technology in Scotland would be too expensive for clubs to install as it would cost millions. They are right. It would be too expensive....but here is the ironic thing. We don't actually need goal line technology costing millions. The correct decision in the derby last night with Shaw's goal would have been taken if the linesman/referee had been miked up to someone official and independent in the TV gantry who would have informed him within seconds that the ball was over the line and the goal should be awarded.
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    It took them long enough to introduce the spray to mark lines at free kicks and even then they appear to have gone for a cheap option!

    I recall someone saying after the Sparky nongoal it would take the outrage of a similar incident in a new firm game for the authorities to budge on goaline tech.

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    Does anyone know where the figure of £250,000 per ground comes from? In this day and age you can film just about anything in HD from the smallest of devices beamed live across the world. The fact that we are being told that it is not going to happen after yet again another blatant mistake that come May, could just be the difference on whether we get into Europe or not. How much does that cost Hibs. Seems to be the usual penny pinching from the beaks that are not interested in seeing our game develop and loose this stigma attached to Scottish football, struggling for sponsorship and peanuts for TV revenue. It is no wonder.

    Fans turning out in numbers being ignored and taken for a ride, sadly it's the clubs who will end up taking the brunt of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastMeetsWest View Post
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    Does anyone know where the figure of £250,000 per ground comes from? In this day and age you can film just about anything in HD from the smallest of devices beamed live across the world. The fact that we are being told that it is not going to happen after yet again another blatant mistake that come May, could just be the difference on whether we get into Europe or not. How much does that cost Hibs. Seems to be the usual penny pinching from the beaks that are not interested in seeing our game develop and loose this stigma attached to Scottish football, struggling for sponsorship and peanuts for TV revenue. It is no wonder.

    Fans turning out in numbers being ignored and taken for a ride, sadly it's the clubs who will end up taking the brunt of it.
    The figure was taken from wiki in an article about introducing the system in England.

    As you have said the cost of technology is coming down all the time. At the same time improvements in technology mean prices stay roughly the same.

    I think it's a decent start to keep the conversation reasonably informed.
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    The SPFL have issued a statement today basically saying that goal line technology in Scotland would be too expensive for clubs to install as it would cost millions. They are right. It would be too expensive....but here is the ironic thing. We don't actually need goal line technology costing millions. The correct decision in the derby last night with Shaw's goal would have been taken if the linesman/referee had been miked up to someone official and independent in the TV gantry who would have informed him within seconds that the ball was over the line and the goal should be awarded.
    The problem there is the lack of consistency. Not every game is live on TV and the setup will be different in each case.

    Fifa have treaded pretty carefully with this for good reason. I’d guess that cheaper systems are just round the corner and either way, giving TV companies any part in decision making is not a good idea.

    From Wikipedia, here are the basic requirements of goal line technology:

    The system must address only the matter of whether a goal has been scored or not.
    The system must be accurate.
    The system must indicate the scoring of a goal immediately, confirming this within one second.
    The system must communicate its information solely to the match officials (via vibration and visual alert on the referee's watch)

    All of those make sense IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibadelic View Post
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    The problem there is the lack of consistency. Not every game is live on TV and the setup will be different in each case.

    Fifa have treaded pretty carefully with this for good reason. I’d guess that cheaper systems are just round the corner and either way, giving TV companies any part in decision making is not a good idea.

    From Wikipedia, here are the basic requirements of goal line technology:

    The system must address only the matter of whether a goal has been scored or not.
    The system must be accurate.
    The system must indicate the scoring of a goal immediately, confirming this within one second.
    The system must communicate its information solely to the match officials (via vibration and visual alert on the referee's watch)

    All of those make sense IMO
    I understand what you are saying, but it would make a start if all live matches had a video referee in the TV gantry who would be able to relay the information to the match referee within seconds. Just about every top flight match has cameras at the game covering the match. I just don't think it would be too difficult to have this system introduced in this country.
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    Shaw also got too much on his sand wedge chip and it should have been buried - back of the net as they say. Then there'd be no need to discuss another referee failure costing us in a derby.
    Clearly you have never played fitba

    that was a terrific finish from a fantastic move all done at great pace. The fact that he had the skill to chip that rather than just blast it was actually sublime skill. He was robbed of an all time classic Hibs goal at Swiney by inept refereeing.

    anyone that says otherwise is on the fudspoutery train.

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    I understand what you are saying, but it would make a start if all live matches had a video referee in the TV gantry who would be able to relay the information to the match referee within seconds. Just about every top flight match has cameras at the game covering the match. I just don't think it would be too difficult to have this system introduced in this country.
    I’m in agreement that it would be good to see progress on something that’s been discussed for years. However, goal line technology is a quite elegant solution to a specific problem in that it is standardised, instant, completely automated and unintrusive. Introducing 3rd party systems, video analysis, replays and an additional system of people communicating is a sledgehammer to crack a nut. I’m not convinced that the necessary camera angles or facilities for instant replays are available at all games anyway.

    I’d rather they got it right first time rather than roll out a half-baked system that relies on Rupert Murdoch and additional officials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibadelic View Post
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    The problem there is the lack of consistency. Not every game is live on TV and the setup will be different in each case.

    Fifa have treaded pretty carefully with this for good reason. I’d guess that cheaper systems are just round the corner and either way, giving TV companies any part in decision making is not a good idea.

    From Wikipedia, here are the basic requirements of goal line technology:

    The system must address only the matter of whether a goal has been scored or not.
    The system must be accurate.
    The system must indicate the scoring of a goal immediately, confirming this within one second.
    The system must communicate its information solely to the match officials (via vibration and visual alert on the referee's watch)

    All of those make sense IMO
    All premier matches are filmed, so it’s just a case of feeding pictures in live time? They could even stick go-pros in each goal for all that is required.

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    All premier matches are filmed, so it’s just a case of feeding pictures in live time? They could even stick go-pros in each goal for all that is required.
    All games are on tv but only the big games and satellite ones have more than one camera on the half way line.

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    I don't care if there is a disallowed goal at the Dumbarton game. In fact nobody does. I do care that it costs nowt cept for a man with a fone, after watching numerous replays provided by the company that make us jump to their tune.

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    All premier matches are filmed, so it’s just a case of feeding pictures in live time? They could even stick go-pros in each goal for all that is required.
    Except you need someone to rewind and check it then communicate to the ref. All takes time, effort, additional officials and increases the likelihood of a real shambles occurring. Much better if you have an instant, automated communication to the ref when the ball crosses the line. Yeah, we could rig up something up with video and a guy pressing rewind and pause which might work but if you’re an official or association putting your name to it, you’d want a system which is proven and not going to cause “Regan’s SFA GoPro Fiasco” type headlines.
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    Honestly. A guy sitting on the side with a monitor watching pictures provided by their own cameras. Actually he is just watching TV. Truth will out. Eventually.... please

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    That you Yogi ya blowhard?
    It's higher expectations just.
    higher expectations than deftly chipping the ball past the sprawling spams keeper?

    aye right.

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    He didn’t score a goal.
    Cause it never hit the net I guess?
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