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    Question Should Strachan go?

    I'm not really a "SACK THE MANAGER" type of person, mainly because the reality is that you can only pick the players you've got in the international game. Equally, it's not like there's an obvious stand-out candidate to take over and do much more with the current crop of players.

    But, personally, I think he should probably go. He's had a pretty good run, but the campaign has (yet again) ended in failure because we didn't set up to beat a pretty ordinary team who were already eliminated from the competition. It's also worth noting that a failure to beat Lithuania and England at home, both things that should have happened, would have gotten us there very easily - and we're unlikely to ever see a much easier group at our current ranking. We will jump a few slots in the official ladder, given that we took a point of England and beat a Slovakian team well above us, but probably not enough to make much of a difference when the European Championship draw is made.

    All told, I reckon we need some fresh thinking.

    I want the next Scotland manager to build his team around John McGinn, Kieran Tierney, Andy Robertson, Stuart Armstrong and Leigh Griffiths. This should be the last we'll see of Craig Gordon, Scott Brown, Darren Fletcher, Steven Fletcher, Barry Bannan, James Forrest, Charlie Mulgrew and a few others I can't quite name at the moment. Either they're in the twilight of their careers, don't play enough club football, or simply aren't anywhere near international standard players. Start with a young squad, a more open-minded and modern manager, and build a squad of players that can compete at major tournaments again.

    We've a fanatical nation of football supporters. That we haven't set foot on a major tournament pitch for two decades is an absolute disgrace for those who run our game, but they're not interested in success; they're interested in their positions. And while you can't blame Strachan for all of those years, a half-decent Scotland team, with the players we have, would have challenged to win that group.

    Time for something new.

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    Aye. He's a $#@!ebag who's afraid to take chances and reverts to substandard players because the team they are signed to are in England. i was going to say "play for" but in some cases even that's not true. We have decent enough players in the Scottish leagues that can be picked over players playing for teams in the Championship or lower.
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    Yes, time for change.
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    The Scottish game needs much more than the manager being replaced.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    The Scottish game needs much more than the manager being replaced.
    Totally agree, bud.

    For what it's worth... I think we need a new governing body. Not 'reform' that sees a failed SPL chief executive become the new SPFL chief executive, but an upturned gameboard that starts from scratch and puts a marketable product and international success at the forefront of its strategy.

    Not 'Project Brave', the opposite of what brought Germany another World Cup, ran by a known bigot.

    But in the meantime, I think we have the players to have qualified from that group and that should qualify for the Euro's in 2020. I just don't know if Strachan's that man.

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    2 & a half failed campaigns is more than enough time, he has to go. We also need to move on from some of these players. The next manager has to be bold enough to build a team around players like Griffiths, Armstrong, Tierney, McGregor, Fraser, McGinn & Robertson. Brown should carry on as captain, but centre half & goalkeeper need to be reviewed. We actually have a decent group of players, but need a bold manager who will pick players on form and not because they are pals or viewed as “reliable”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
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    Aye. He's a $#@!ebag who's afraid to take chances and reverts to substandard players because the team they are signed to are in England. i was going to say "play for" but in some cases even that's not true. We have decent enough players in the Scottish leagues that can be picked over players playing for teams in the Championship or lower.
    I seem tae recall there was a thread about this somewhere on here no that long ago about about certain responses tae posts and one of these responses commented on was when people typed "THIS" in response tae another post, well this is such a post in response tae the above quoted post.

    THIS

    Players getting picked because of who and/or they play for rather than anything else, no exactly a new thing or Strachan thing as far as Scotland selections go but it's something that needs tae be stopped.

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    He will probably go...he has had three years at it which is a long stint. I just don't see any other manager doing any better though to be honest. I think we have some very good players like the ones mentioned but we lack a powerful frontman who can lead the line and become a reliable goalscorer. We are also weak in central defence and have been for many years now. it's easy to say "he should play" and "he shouldnae play", but at the end of the day the national coach has to find players from what is available to him from the clubs...he can't buy and sell players.
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    I think he should stay.

    Euro qualifying 24 teams, worlds 13.

    Much better odds and I think he’ll do it.

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    I'd say go. His selections are murder, but he seems to get the best from the players that are selected.

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    Not picking the two inform players that everyone else would have picked is typical of Strachan. Always wants to be the clever guy, and has a ‘funny’ line in every interview.

    No idea who is best suited to lead our country’s team but pretty sure it’s not him.

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    Aye, go.

    There might be no one as a clear candidate to replace him- Davie Moyes?- but you can't fail at two qualifiers and keep the job on the basis that we're pretty $#@!e anyway so don't attempt to try someone else.

    Would be interesting to know how many SPFL games ( outwith Celtc) he's been to versus English Championship games. The boy Shinnie at Aberdeen can't be any worse than Bannon or Phillips? SJM and McGregor both merit game minutes, but he's too stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post
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    Why not? He's doing $#@! all else.
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    He has to go. This whole genetics slavering is something along the lines of what cathro would come out with. Yeah we may be unbeaten in 2017 but that overall campaign really wasn't good enough. We need a change in manager and the squad needs a shake up, get rid of his favourites and people occasionally playing a game in lower leagues of England for people playing week in and week out for their teams, shouldn't be in the national squad if you're not playing at club level no matter who you are IMO.

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    When he brought on Steven Fletcher and Robert Snodgrass, and left Phillips and Bannan on the pitch, I knew we weren't going to win it. And in that lies one of the reasons that he has to go. We really desperately need a manager who will come in and assess the players at our disposal, and jettison some of the usual suspects. We need to inject some promising youth into the team, and we need to do it now.

    Also agree that "everyone other manager is pish and the players are pish" is not a good enough reason to keep him on. There have to be some standards, and whether we all have delusions of grandeur is immaterial - 2 and a half campaigns, including the easiest Euros to qualify for in living memory, with no success means he has to go. Simple.
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    At first I welcomed Gordon Strachan and felt he was a breath of fresh air. I'm another not oriented towards chopping and changing managers - especially when the problem lies far deeper than one man - it's time though, Strachan's decision making at important junctures as been poor, his team selections are odd and his substitutions or lack of them often incomprehensible. His persistence in fielding players who are off-form or not performing regularly with their clubs is a huge mark against him.

    His sarcasm and smart-arse quips, once quite entertaining, now grate, though's that not a reason to show him the door in itself.

    The problem is that with the present Scottish set-up and lack of new thinking I doubt if any managerial change would make a hugely significant difference.
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    I'd give David Moyes a go, I think he's a pretty decent manager and gets the best from a shoestring budget.

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    Usain we should go for Bolt?
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    Usain we should go for Bolt?
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    Since he's stopped doing the Just backs I'd say yes

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    Aye as he has unfortunately failed in two groups where we had a great chance.

    Malky Mackay would be in running I think, controversial though.

    Assume Derek McInnes would not take it but you never know, must be bored of living in Aberdeen by now.

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    Scotland are just not genetically equipped to compete at this level he says. We were the second smallest squad in the last qualifying competition ... to Spain!

    For that Cathro comment alone he should be extradited never mind sacked!

    Pequeña Jose and his amigos haven't done too badly over the years;

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    Just became aware of his 'genetically we are $#@!e' excuse.

    I'm assuming that is just another example of his ill timed and distinctly un-scintillating wit as opposes to the musings of a genuine moron.

    Either way it's time to go go Gogs.

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    Yes. And majority of the rest of the SFA.
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    Yes. And majority of the rest of the SFA.
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    He's stepped down by mutual consent...

    No surprise, but IMO he should have stayed. Taking all things into account I don't think his record has been too bad.
    In my view, we will be having the same complaints and criticisms of whoever comes next. We need start to to produce more international class players if we are ever going to do anything again at that level.
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    He's stepped down by mutual consent...

    No surprise, but IMO he should have stayed. Taking all things into account I don't think his record has been too bad.
    In my view, we will be having the same complaints and criticisms of whoever comes next. We need start to to produce more international class players if we are ever going to do anything again at that level.
    Fair enough on his record but he's a tit. The pish he came out with following the latest failure meant he had to go. Unbecoming of the National manager.
    Game's rigged, why bother?

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    Since he's stopped doing the Just backs I'd say yes
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    Scott Brown seems to be coming out in support of Strachan after picking and choosing what qualifiers he played in..
    until the sky turns green

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    Scott Brown seems to be coming out in support of Strachan after picking and choosing what qualifiers he played in..
    No doubt Broonaldo will retire again.

    Potter backing WGS must have been the final straw.

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    Strachan goes

    Announced today. Mixed feelings really

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    I think Strachan really gets the best from the players and gets them playing above and beyond there limits at times. Where he fails for me is team selection and tactics.

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    For me, Scotland lacked a few genuine quality players who can turn games at international level. Outwith Griffiths and possibly Broony, the rest played to their highest level, which was pretty average.

    Re the mutual consent: it is probably an indication of the SFA incompetence that they cannot even manage a polite cheerio! "After almost five years the board felt it was time for a new direction...". That statement means the manager was sacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pq123 View Post
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    Re the mutual consent: it is probably an indication of the SFA incompetence that they cannot even manage a polite cheerio! "After almost five years the board felt it was time for a new direction...". That statement means the manager was sacked.

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    I think he was just about at the end of his contract, and if I remember correctly when he chucked it at Middlesbrough he went without taking any compo, so I wouldn't be surprised if it really was a 'mutual' with WGS sensing the mood and agreeing it was best for all concerned that he should go now.

    To be fair, that's quite big of him, so the genetic argument may be quite meaningless after all.




    There are of course countless other indications of the SFA incompetence, so I'm not in total disagreement with you.

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    [QUOTE=Sir Shrink;1593035]I think he was just about at the end of his contract, and if I remember correctly when he chucked it at Middlesbrough he went without taking any compo, so I wouldn't be surprised if it really was a 'mutual' with WGS sensing the mood and agreeing it was best for all concerned that he should go now.

    Normally 'by mutual consent' suggests that both side agreed. The SFA staement makes it clear that the manager was emptied "After almost five years the board felt it was time for a new direction...". That does not suggest mutual consent to me. Main point for me is that the statement is another example of Reagan's diplomatic skills having been learned at the Trump Academy.


    Sooner he leaves by 'mutual consent' the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pq123 View Post
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    Normally 'by mutual consent' suggests that both side agreed. The SFA staement makes it clear that the manager was emptied "After almost five years the board felt it was time for a new direction...". That does not suggest mutual consent to me. Main point for me is that the statement is another example of Reagan's diplomatic skills having been learned at the Trump Academy.


    Sooner he leaves by 'mutual consent' the better.

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    The SFA statement only gives their side, and they can't speak for the other party.......... if WGS didn't agree his time was up I'm sure we will hear all about it.
    He's no really shy.

    After the 'last time' when Strachan got a new deal it was quite obvious that the decision for him to carry on was taken by WGS and not the SFA.
    Reagan and the rest of them clearly lacked the cojones to sack him then, and I doubt that they had the bottle to do it this time either.

    Reagan is a coward, and the rest of the blazers are hardly hero material, so I'm sticking with my opinion that WGS was content to spend more time on the golf course.

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    Maybe he was just too wee! Genetically restricted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pq123 View Post
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    Normally 'by mutual consent' suggests that both side agreed. The SFA staement makes it clear that the manager was emptied "After almost five years the board felt it was time for a new direction...". That does not suggest mutual consent to me. Main point for me is that the statement is another example of Reagan's diplomatic skills having been learned at the Trump Academy.


    Sooner he leaves by 'mutual consent' the better.

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    Just seen the news report on it..................

    I think you maybe got it right after all.



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