Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Scottish Labour revival continues

  1. #1
    Radge Monthly Contributor
    jock3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    1,088
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    549 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    28

    Scottish Labour revival continues

    Labour wins in two Scottish council by-elections.

    Chipping away, baby steps....

  2. #2
    Radge Private Member


    Power's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Dhn ideann
    Posts
    8,444
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    518 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    334
    Good for Scottish politics to have a strong opposition. The next leader choice is crucial for Scottish Labour.

  3. #3
    Radge Private Member

    Kenny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    7,915
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1922 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    658
    Quote Originally Posted by Power View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Good for Scottish politics to have a strong opposition. The next leader choice is crucial for Scottish Labour.
    that vacuum has been filled by the once toxic tories unfortunately.

    Sarwar is another 5yrs of wilderness IMO...
    follow the programme archive on twitter: http://twitter.com/hibsbollah

  4. #4
    Radge Private Member


    southfieldhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    EH15
    Posts
    10,534
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    4334 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1624
    Quote Originally Posted by Power View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Good for Scottish politics to have a strong opposition. The next leader choice is crucial for Scottish Labour.
    Going for the millionaire gadgie demanding the living wage whilst paying less might be seen as an error...

  5. #5
    Radge Private Member
    Smurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Suburbia
    Posts
    35,003
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    160 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6412 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1709
    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Going for the millionaire gadgie demanding the living wage whilst paying less might be seen as an error...
    Loathe that smug prick.

  6. #6
    Hibernian, Hibernian Ra Ra Radge



    Dub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell
    Posts
    27,795
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    169 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6594 Post(s)
    vCash
    5112
    Rep Power
    1981
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Loathe that smug prick.
    Which smug prick K?
    They're gone, not here, forgotten
    The maroon brigade now cry
    The city is now Hibernian
    The team that would not die


    [© Daddy O'Hibee]



    If you don’t know what introspection is, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself

  7. #7
    Quite a bit past it radge






    Sir Shrink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Posts
    23,780
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    93 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6299 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    2580
    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Which smug prick K?
    Southfieldhibby it appears.

    He always seems quite a decent sort in my opinion.


    Opinions eh?

  8. #8
    Radge Private Member
    Smurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Suburbia
    Posts
    35,003
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    160 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6412 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1709
    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Which smug prick K?
    The millionaire that looks to pay his employee buttons.

  9. #9
    Statistically Radge Admin

    Purple & Green's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Nitten
    Posts
    11,033
    Post Thanks / Like
    Contribute If you enjoy reading the
    content here, click the below
    image to support our site.
    Click Here To Contribute To Our Site

    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1474 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    568
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    The millionaire that looks to pay his employee buttons.
    Sir Shrink? He’d definitely do that kind of thing.

  10. #10
    Radge Private Member

    Kenny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    7,915
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1922 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    658
    Labour stalwart David Martin calls for coalition with SNP at Holyrood (From HeraldScotland)


    this makes sense to me

    lab need the rub of power to make them more appealing again...snp need to be seen to reach out.
    follow the programme archive on twitter: http://twitter.com/hibsbollah

  11. #11
    Radge Private Member


    southfieldhibby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    EH15
    Posts
    10,534
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    4334 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1624
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Loathe that smug prick.
    Turns out his family firm doesn't recognise unions either. No way is this turd Labour.

  12. #12
    Radge Private Member
    Smurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Suburbia
    Posts
    35,003
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    160 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6412 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1709
    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Turns out his family firm doesn't recognise unions either. No way is this turd Labour.
    Folk like him in politics make me think one thing...

    CORRUPTION.

  13. #13
    Radge Private Member





    Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    A stool at the bar
    Posts
    11,007
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    140 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    4164 Post(s)
    vCash
    1562
    Rep Power
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Folk like him in politics make me think one thing...

    CORRUPTION.
    And nepotism.
    Space to let

  14. #14
    Radge Private Member
    Smurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Suburbia
    Posts
    35,003
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    160 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    6412 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1709
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    And nepotism.
    Agreed.

  15. #15
    Radge Monthly Contributor
    jock3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    1,088
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    549 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    28
    Scottish Labour party Leader candidate Richard Leonard is quoted as saying:

    he would 'nationalise the means of production under workers' control.'

    My kinda guy!

  16. #16
    Justified Radge



    aggie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Montrose Terrace Massive
    Posts
    6,164
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    116 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    3323 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    2032
    Quote Originally Posted by jock3 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Scottish Labour party Leader candidate Richard Leonard is quoted as saying:

    he would 'nationalise the means of production under workers' control.'

    My kinda guy!
    Okay, I'll bite - what are "the means of production" in the modern UK?

    Today, mind - not 1937. Dinnae start talking about mines and factories.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'...

  17. #17
    Radge Donator
    Zellviren's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Limburg province, the Netherlands
    Posts
    1,441
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    807 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1144
    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Today, mind - not 1937. Dinnae start talking about mines and factories.
    That's the problem Labour, arguably more than any other party, has.

    The "means of production" used to be industry, which Britain really doesn't have much of anymore and the Labour party (Britain-wide, not just in Scotland) hasn't adapted terribly well to what socialism probably needs modernised into. By means of production, we could just tack it onto the production of wealth, but we already know that the type of wealth Britain generates is much better served by neoliberal policies and, as a result, the continuation of general Conservative rule. Jeremy Corbyn has, I think, largely taken it to mean re-nationalising things that should never have been privatised; public transport and energy. But in order to really transform Britain, and indeed Scotland, they're going to need to be dramatically more radical than that, in a nation that doesn't take well to radicalism.

    For crying out loud, the recent Labour manifesto was heralded as "radical" when it was pretty standard centre-centre-left fare.

    It's a conundrum.

  18. #18
    Radge Donator

    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    1,111
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    270 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    223
    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Okay, I'll bite - what are "the means of production" in the modern UK?

    Today, mind - not 1937. Dinnae start talking about mines and factories.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    You could start with public utilities and the most crucial infrastructure, oil (including refineries as Grangemouth dispute made clear), gas, renewables, water, rail.

  19. #19
    Justified Radge



    aggie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Montrose Terrace Massive
    Posts
    6,164
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    116 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    3323 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    2032
    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    You could start with public utilities and the most crucial infrastructure, oil (including refineries as Grangemouth dispute made clear), gas, renewables, water, rail.
    Would support that 100%
    Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'...

  20. #20
    Radge Donator

    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    1,111
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    270 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    223
    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Would support that 100%
    Well lets see if I can provoke disagreement. I'd also tax private schools as companies and any private healthcare companies would have to pay a training premium to the NHS when they use NHS staff (i.e. pretty much all of them). So every operation carried out privately, the NHS gets a big share of the spoils. I'd look at a public bank, perhaps modelled on credit union principles. I'd look at community owned renewable projects to allow communities to decide on windfarms etc and if they go for it to benefit from the income of selling energy to the national grid.
    Ok so far?
    Ok, I'd ban stupid upper class foppish hair, brogues and the colour maroon. I'd make anyone with 1690 as their keycard number rub themselves with rough sandpaper, i'd line all reality tv stars up against a wall and and as a cure for depression allow people to run along the line kicking them up the arse whenever they see fit. I'd make good sugarcane rum free at the point of use and I'd launch an enquiry into EBTs no matter what the board unanimously think.

  21. #21
    Justified Radge



    aggie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Montrose Terrace Massive
    Posts
    6,164
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    116 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    3323 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    2032
    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Well lets see if I can provoke disagreement. I'd also tax private schools as companies
    Yes, unequivocal support for that. A $#@!ing scandal.

    and any private healthcare companies would have to pay a training premium to the NHS when they use NHS staff (i.e. pretty much all of them). So every operation carried out privately, the NHS gets a big share of the spoils.
    Didn't know that, hard to disagree.

    I'd look at a public bank, perhaps modelled on credit union principles.
    Definitely.

    I'd look at community owned renewable projects to allow communities to decide on windfarms etc and if they go for it to benefit from the income of selling energy to the national grid.
    Not sure about this, how would it be administered? Who qualifies as "community" - geographical boundaries a la school catchments?


    Ok so far?
    Yup, with ye.

    Ok, I'd ban stupid upper class foppish hair, brogues and the colour maroon.
    Only if salmon-pink cords and jumpers worn draped over the shoulders are included.

    I'd make anyone with 1690 as their keycard number rub themselves with rough sandpaper,
    In all honesty, I'd just get them up against the wall and be done with it.

    i'd line all reality tv stars up against a wall and and as a cure for depression allow people to run along the line kicking them up the arse whenever they see fit.
    Bring back the stocks, perhaps?

    I'd make good sugarcane rum free at the point of use and I'd launch an enquiry into EBTs no matter what the board unanimously think.
    All in all, this is a manifesto I can get behind! Will you be standing as an independent?
    Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'...

  22. #22
    Radge Donator

    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    1,111
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    270 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    223
    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yes, unequivocal support for that. A $#@!ing scandal.
    Didn't know that, hard to disagree.
    Definitely.
    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Not sure about this, how would it be administered? Who qualifies as "community" - geographical boundaries a la school catchments?
    Could be done the same way s the community empowerment act, geographic big or small to be negotiated, or communities of interest. There are islands for example that could become self sufficient in power but are not on the national grid

    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Only if salmon-pink cords and jumpers worn draped over the shoulders are included.
    All jumpers draped over shoulders and I'm in

    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    In all honesty, I'd just get them up against the wall and be done with it.
    This way its deferred gratification

    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Bring back the stocks, perhaps?
    I wondered about keeping the monarchy in stocks, think thats too alienating?

  23. #23
    Radge Private Member





    Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    A stool at the bar
    Posts
    11,007
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    140 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    4164 Post(s)
    vCash
    1562
    Rep Power
    790
    Your health stuff would be difficult to manage.

    As far as I am aware the huge majority of private stuff is done by NHS staff as an extra, even though Scottish NHS staff are better paid than those down south ;-) they still need it, there's not that many on the clinical side do it full time and those that do have probably done a fair shift in the NHS. How do you carve it up and how much time and money do you spend chasing it?

    What needs to be addressed is the private $#@! ups where the NHS seems always to pick up the tab (cut the $#@! Jack the NHS always picks up the tab). This includes minor $#@! ups where the patients needs NHS follow up for any reason, full cost should be reimbursed by the private provider plus a $#@! up premium, to the dodgy French boob enlargement farce and the like that cost the NHS £millions and somehow was the UK Governments fault.

    Which, dare I say it without a good source, probably cost the NHS more than the general health tourism that arseholes go on about. It's an issue that needs addressed but it's not worthy of headlines.

  24. #24
    Radge Donator
    Zellviren's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Limburg province, the Netherlands
    Posts
    1,441
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    807 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    1144
    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I'd also tax private schools as companies...
    I wouldn't tax private schools.

    I'm with the Finns. I'd abolish them altogether. When Jacqui Smith sent her children to private schooling, as Education Secretary, she let the cat out of the bag with regard to how little of a $#@! the political class give about state education. They’re not interested, because they can avoid it; stop them from avoiding it, and watch the funding and quality of state schooling increase exponentially as a result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Which, dare I say it without a good source, probably cost the NHS more than the general health tourism that arseholes go on about. It's an issue that needs addressed but it's not worthy of headlines.
    I’m actually one of those weird socialists who believe that it’s long since passed the time where the NHS was almost entirely reformed, including its funding model.

    Demands on the NHS are now well beyond what it was set up to do, and there has been precious little in the way of meaningful reform for as long as I can remember. Of course, I’m using the term NHS because it’s convenient and not necessarily because it’s accurate (the NHS stopped existing in England following the Health and Social Care Act 2012).

    Reform under the Conservatives, however, is unlikely. Like with almost everything else, their intent isn’t good governance; it’s the funnelling of ever more public money into private hands, which the NHS has been especially efficient at.

  25. #25
    Radge Donator

    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    1,111
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    270 Post(s)
    vCash
    1000
    Rep Power
    223
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Your health stuff would be difficult to manage..
    I don't disagree it would be tricky. However, other forms of employment manage. I work in a Uni and couldn't work for another Uni in my 'spare time' (ha). Footballers can only play for one team etc. If there is a will I think it would be possible to find a way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I wouldn't tax private schools.I'm with the Finns. I'd abolish them altogether
    I agree, I was starting from the point of agreement and then move to the logical conclusion

GoGO Back To Forum

Similar Threads

  1. Full Auotonomy For Scottish Labour
    By Smurf in forum Frenchman's Cowshed
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 22-09-16, 23:39
  2. A new low for Scottish labour
    By Shades in forum Frenchman's Cowshed
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 29-06-15, 16:42
  3. Scottish Labour
    By Kurt in forum Frenchman's Cowshed
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 22-03-14, 11:28
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-06-10, 22:15
  5. Iain Gray elected new Scottish labour leader
    By Greenmachine in forum Frenchman's Cowshed
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 16-09-08, 16:37

User Tag List

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •