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    Nottingham Forest in for John McGinn

    I can't think that Forest's bid would be a very worthy one. They are still under residual financial restrictions as far as I understand.

    I've personally felt all along that Hibs' plan this close season was to cash in on Jason and keep John for another season. We shall see.

    Nottingham Forest target Scotland international John McGinn - Nottingham Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu View Post
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    I can't think that Forest's bid would be a very worthy one. They are still under residual financial restrictions as far as I understand.

    I've personally felt all along that Hibs' plan this close season was to cash in on Jason and keep John for another season. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
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    Sky Sports suggested that Hibs knocked them back.
    So the article and the BBC say too, Dub.

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    Forest trying to get players on the cheap again, hope we continue to tell them to bolt, commentators seemed to sugggest forest will be back

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    £5m and JC back on loan or fannyhat can bolt.

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    Neil Lennon confirmed the bid had been rejected, saying: “A bid came in for John but it was nowhere near our valuation of the player. It was laughable.”

    Hibs knock back Nottingham Forest bid for John McGinn - Edinburgh Evening News

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    I said it preseason and I'm still gonna say it now. McGinn is going nowhere this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post
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    I said it preseason and I'm still gonna say it now. McGinn is going nowhere this season.
    Unless the valuation is met mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    Unless the valuation is met mate.
    Nope, need to do better than that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammi View Post
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    Nope, need to do better than that as well.
    Agreed, wasn't great last week and the same today, is his head elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    Agreed, wasn't great last week and the same today, is his head elsewhere?
    Eh?

    I meant need to do better than his valuation for us to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammi View Post
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    Eh?

    I meant need to do better than his valuation for us to sell.
    I was on about his performances in both games mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    I was on about his performances in both games mate.
    I know, but it just came a bit from the blue.

    Wouldn't really be saying his head is elsewhere, the whole team underperformed last week and judging by this week so far it wasn't too dissimilar. Us and him have both been aware of interest in his services all summer I'm sure, wouldn't just randomly be getting turned cause of this offer.

    I was more worried half them might have snuck in a wee late night to watch the boxing this week.

    If McGinn goes, it needs to be for real money, just because we're Hibs doesn't mean we should be accepted paltry $#@!e like this, less than a mil for him and Cummings each (rumours) is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    Agreed, wasn't great last week and the same today, is his head elsewhere?
    He was fine. Better than many of our other players today. I think people expect miracles from McGinn sometimes.

    I'll be gutted if he goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve20 View Post
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    He was fine. Better than many of our other players today. I think people expect miracles from McGinn sometimes.

    I'll be gutted if he goes.

    Yep. I thought the midfield trio of SJM, Slivka and especially Bart were strong first half. Tired a bit but I don't recognise the SJM being described as distracted. And he certainly didn't say any farewells at the end.

    We'd only get 500k from Breadheids bid. It's nowhere near what it would take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    Agreed, wasn't great last week and the same today, is his head elsewhere?
    I thought he was Hibs best player and his heed was 100% on winning every ball and helping Hibs win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammi View Post
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    I know, but it just came a bit from the blue.

    Wouldn't really be saying his head is elsewhere, the whole team underperformed last week and judging by this week so far it wasn't too dissimilar. Us and him have both been aware of interest in his services all summer I'm sure, wouldn't just randomly be getting turned cause of this offer.

    I was more worried half them might have snuck in a wee late night to watch the boxing this week.

    If McGinn goes, it needs to be for real money, just because we're Hibs doesn't mean we should be accepted paltry $#@!e like this, less than a mil for him and Cummings each (rumours) is a joke.
    I think if SJM does go we will already have placements in mind mate.

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    He was fine. Better than many of our other players today. I think people expect miracles from McGinn sometimes.

    I'll be gutted if he goes.
    Fair enough, although for me he isn't consistent enough.
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    I thought he was Hibs best player and his heed was 100% on winning every ball and helping Hibs win?
    Thought from watching it on telly him and the big man were superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Thought from watching it on telly him and the big man were superb.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
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    Fair enough, although for me he isn't consistent enough.
    Hibs fans eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perthhibee View Post
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    Hibs fans eh

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    Aye. We're a funny auld, fickle, dysfunctional family of bams.

    The only way to reference a players consistency, to my mind, is to see them every week in the flesh. Wee snippets on Sportscene are not enough to know whether a player's contribution was or is good enough. Never better illustrated than by the chat of the (very nice) guys who sit behind us at ER every other Saturday. They "see" half a season as they don't do away games. It comes through in their chat at home games. Their perception of players' contributions over the course of a season ends up very different to ours. We're all on a different place on that spectrum and that's before we factor in all our own personal prejudices, preferences and pet players
    Hibs are standing on the brink of history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    Aye. We're a funny auld, fickle, dysfunctional family of bams.

    The only way to reference a players consistency, to my mind, is to see them every week in the flesh. Wee snippets on Sportscene are not enough to know whether a player's contribution was or is good enough. Never better illustrated than by the chat of the (very nice) guys who sit behind us at ER every other Saturday. They "see" half a season as they don't do away games. It comes through in their chat at home games. Their perception of players' contributions over the course of a season ends up very different to ours. We're all on a different place on that spectrum and that's before we factor in all our own personal prejudices, preferences and pet players
    Funny how NL himself thought McGinn was in the game but too many times not in it also.
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    Forest will come in with another bid IMO...and others may come in as well.
    If McGinn makes it clear to the club he wants to leave then he will be away very shortly as soon as a club meets our valuation.
    A replacement will already be earmarked.
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    “I would value John at £5million, but there has been no bid in our valuation that has come in. We are in negotiations to renew his contract if we can so it’s just a waiting game.”

    Read more at: Neil Lennon accuses Mark Warburton of trying to unsettle John McGinn - Edinburgh Evening News

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    Throughout the match there was at least one Dundee player snapping at SJM's heels, so I thought he did very well. The way he turns and beats a player to create some space is world class. I just hope the days of Hibs letting star players go for a song are well over. It seems Jason Cumming's fee remains undisclosed. Would be interesting to find that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    Aye. We're a funny auld, fickle, dysfunctional family of bams.

    The only way to reference a players consistency, to my mind, is to see them every week in the flesh. Wee snippets on Sportscene are not enough to know whether a player's contribution was or is good enough. Never better illustrated than by the chat of the (very nice) guys who sit behind us at ER every other Saturday. They "see" half a season as they don't do away games. It comes through in their chat at home games. Their perception of players' contributions over the course of a season ends up very different to ours. We're all on a different place on that spectrum and that's before we factor in all our own personal prejudices, preferences and pet players
    Spot on. Expect an uber fan comment some time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jock3 View Post
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    Throughout the match there was at least one Dundee player snapping at SJM's heels, so I thought he did very well. The way he turns and beats a player to create some space is world class. I just hope the days of Hibs letting star players go for a song are well over. It seems Jason Cumming's fee remains undisclosed. Would be interesting to find that out.
    No-one can agree what the JC fee was so, that aside, when was the last time Hibs let a star player go for a song?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    No-one can agree what the JC fee was so, that aside, when was the last time Hibs let a star player go for a song?
    Jason Cummings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Thought from watching it on telly him and the big man were superb.
    This. He's was holding 2 of their cloggers off at a time and still keeping possession/keeping our play flowing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by broonieboy View Post
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    This. He's was holding 2 of their cloggers off at a time and still keeping possession/keeping our play flowing.


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    Must admit I have a particular dislike of Nottingham Forest. They appear to be a very arrogant club. Though obviously I have respect for the amazing job Brian Clough a genius did. They are a club that have been insulting to us with certain transfer bids over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Jason Cummings?
    I think the point @Jack was making was that nobody really knows what that deal was, and I’d be amazed if any hibbies believed Warburton’s version of it. He’s known to bend the truth quite happily, and has a dislike for Hibs as a club. In my view, he went for “around” the million pound mark which is an absolutely extraordinary bit of business when you remember that, away from Easter Road, Jason Cummings is a proven goalscorer at a very low level of football.

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    Must admit I have a particular dislike of Nottingham Forest. They appear to be a very arrogant club. Though obviously I have respect for the amazing job Brian Clough a genius did. They are a club that have been insulting to us with certain transfer bids over the years.
    I wanted to like them, given that I went to the City Ground a few times with a friend of mine. But the reality is that they are arrogant, and forget that they’ve never really done a lot outside of the period you mentioned – they’re a provincial English club, and not much more.

    In comparative terms, Hibs are easily bigger.

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    Said weeks ago I thought we would sell him without getting someone in , hope I'm wrong .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Must admit I have a particular dislike of Nottingham Forest. They appear to be a very arrogant club. Though obviously I have respect for the amazing job Brian Clough a genius did. They are a club that have been insulting to us with certain transfer bids over the years.
    Have to agree, K. There is in particular an arrogance about some of the fans, although I have many decent Forest mates. To the tune that I've enjoyed seeing underdogs, Notts County piss them off on many occasions over the years. They now have an absolute bawbag of a manager of course which makes them hard to love. Shame, they've played some great football over the years.

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    I love Forest. Everything about them was amazing. What they did...and how they did it... is what fitba is aw about. Peeps who think differently are just sad faced wankey losers. Rightly. Slanging double Euro Cup winners. ... $#@!in have a word eh... Stupid.

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    I was marginally interested in their results when Peter Cormack played there.
    After that they were just another Ingerlish team that I couldnae give a fcuk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post
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    I love Forest. Everything about them was amazing. What they did...and how they did it... is what fitba is aw about. Peeps who think differently are just sad faced wankey losers. Rightly. Slanging double Euro Cup winners. ... $#@!in have a word eh... Stupid.

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    I quite like Forest tae. Good traditional club with a loyal - mostly local - fanbase who would be a good addition back in the top tier should they get their erses in gear. Add Leeds United to that pile as well.

    With Cummings being there, I can ignore the Warburton and Weir (wankbag) combo and hope he bangs in a load of league goals if he is ever given the chance.

    English fitba is fecked though. Aluko fee says it all. The huge increase in TV money from overseas - on top of the record UK deals - means that average joes are going for multi million pounds which is trickling down to the lower divisions and making us even more also rans when it comes to attracting players from the likes of league one.

    Celtc champions league money isn't even worth a sook compared to the money championship clubs are now coining in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post
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    I love Forest. Everything about them was amazing. What they did...and how they did it... is what fitba is aw about. Peeps who think differently are just sad faced wankey losers. Rightly. Slanging double Euro Cup winners. ... $#@!in have a word eh... Stupid.

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    Got to agree with this
    You won't ever see a so called provincial club winning the top prize in European fitbaw ever ever again and I said ever twice cos there's even less chance of anyone ever seeing it happen again ever never mind twice
    Maybe some folks have a personal grievance with forrest and or come from nearby and have a dislike due to the location and competition from forrest
    I'm sure that they do have some really arrogant fans but so do every other fitbaw club hibs included

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Spence View Post
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    Got to agree with this
    You won't ever see a so called provincial club winning the top prize in European fitbaw ever ever again and I said ever twice cos there's even less chance of anyone ever seeing it happen again ever never mind twice
    Maybe some folks have a personal grievance with forrest and or come from nearby and have a dislike due to the location and competition from forrest
    I'm sure that they do have some really arrogant fans but so do every other fitbaw club hibs included

    I'd never say never after what Leicester achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    I'd never say never after what Leicester achieved.
    They did cross my mind ST bud and kinda covered my gere with the twice comment 😏

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    I'd never say never after what Leicester achieved.
    Yep.
    Never again will I take the view that Hibs or any other non OF club can never become champions of Scotland after what Leicester City achieved two years ago. The single greatest achievement by any club in the UK in the last 40 years if not more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Yep.
    Never again will I take the view that Hibs or any other non OF club can never become champions of Scotland after what Leicester City achieved two years ago. The single greatest achievement by any club in the UK in the last 40 years if not more.
    Maybe more bud
    Remember that forrest won the EC twice which is a staggering feat and separates them from every other one season wonders

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    Be nice if football could do something similar to the NFL and have a wage cap across the board. Will never happen, but would even the playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Spence View Post
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    Maybe more bud
    Remember that forrest won the EC twice which is a staggering feat and separates them from every other one season wonders
    Yes it was a staggering feat...and it's a matter of opinion what is the greater achievement, Cloughie's unfashionable Forest winning two European Cups in a row (and I was a huge admirer of Clough as a manager) or Leicester City winning the English Premiership in front of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and all the rest of them....to name only a few of the clubs in that league which absolutely dwarf Leicester in terms of resources and power. For me , it's Leicester. It was the equivilant of Partick Thistle winning the SPL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Forest will come in with another bid IMO...and others may come in as well.
    If McGinn makes it clear to the club he wants to leave then he will be away very shortly as soon as a club meets our valuation.
    A replacement will already be earmarked.
    Exactly.

    At worst this is SJM's swansong with Hibs though at best he should make it through to the January window but he is leaving very soon and even quicker if he decides to play hard ball like some of the rest.

    He must know by now whether Celtc will be interested given his deep family connection through his "grandpops" but if Brendan doesn't think he is good enough then its English Championship here we come.

    Hibs need to sell before the value begins to plummett but they can stall a little for time though I wouldn't get to excited about a replacement being sourced quickly if at all as everyone's season and contracts are now well established.

    Like JC lets hope SJM succeeds wherever he chooses as they all deserve a wee shot at the so called "big time" of the English Championship (he he) and the very real riches that come with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Yes it was a staggering feat...and it's a matter of opinion what is the greater achievement, Cloughie's unfashionable Forest winning two European Cups in a row (and I was a huge admirer of Clough as a manager) or Leicester City winning the English Premiership in front of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and all the rest of them....to name only a few of the clubs in that league which absolutely dwarf Leicester in terms of resources and power. For me , it's Leicester. It was the equivilant of Partick Thistle winning the SPL.
    I'm struggling to find myself disagreeing with any of that GM but the i find it difficult to beat the feat that forest side done also, so for me it's Cloughie's forest 👍

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    Not too sure if McGinn will end up in England. He wants to play for Celtic no doubt about it, when is the question. He comes from a footballing family so probably has a more balanced and realistic idea of football goins on.

    Too many young hopefuls or potential wonderkids jumped over the border only to head back up to clubs such as Hibs, Aberdeen and such like. If he makes a move down there and it doesn't work out then his shot at Celtic is all but gone. Makes more sense to get game time at Hibs and shine in the process, won't take Celtic too long to come sniffing especially now we are back in same league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastMeetsWest View Post
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    Too many young hopefuls or potential wonderkids jumped over the border only to head back up to clubs such as Hibs, Aberdeen and such like.
    It’s funny, I often catch myself wondering if it’s actually a seedy form of prejudice that causes Scots to do badly in England. Not that overt “porridge-wogs are all $#@!” stuff, but the sub-surface distrust that informs your judgements without you knowing it. Because Scots are effectively expected to fail when they go to England, they’re given far less time to make their way into a team and are punished much more heavily for poor performances; especially in the media.

    Personally, I think Scottish players are roughly equivalent to their English counterparts, but the assumption is the opposite as soon as they’re over Hadrian’s Wall. They have all the same technical deficiencies on the park, and typically the same behavioural problems off of it. The last match at Hampden would have seen us beat them, had Craig Gordon not had a nightmare, and that’s extraordinary when you consider the difference in salary between the two squads.

    The current English champions have, what? One Englishman (Gary Cahill)?

    The biggest difference is in athleticism, which is explicable considering the amount of money the English game generates and easily treatable under similar circumstances. Once you get past that, you realise that the performance of the English game is down to clubs being flooded with cash to invest in foreign talent.

    Scots going to England are on a hiding to nothing. You either hit the ground running and avoid a single bad game in your first ten, or you’re banished first to the bench, then to the squad, and then back up over the border.

    I sincerely hope that’s not John McGinn’s fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    It’s funny, I often catch myself wondering if it’s actually a seedy form of prejudice that causes Scots to do badly in England. Not that overt “porridge-wogs are all $#@!” stuff, but the sub-surface distrust that informs your judgements without you knowing it. Because Scots are effectively expected to fail when they go to England, they’re given far less time to make their way into a team and are punished much more heavily for poor performances; especially in the media.

    Personally, I think Scottish players are roughly equivalent to their English counterparts, but the assumption is the opposite as soon as they’re over Hadrian’s Wall. They have all the same technical deficiencies on the park, and typically the same behavioural problems off of it. The last match at Hampden would have seen us beat them, had Craig Gordon not had a nightmare, and that’s extraordinary when you consider the difference in salary between the two squads.

    The current English champions have, what? One Englishman (Gary Cahill)?

    The biggest difference is in athleticism, which is explicable considering the amount of money the English game generates and easily treatable under similar circumstances. Once you get past that, you realise that the performance of the English game is down to clubs being flooded with cash to invest in foreign talent.

    Scots going to England are on a hiding to nothing. You either hit the ground running and avoid a single bad game in your first ten, or you’re banished first to the bench, then to the squad, and then back up over the border.

    I sincerely hope that’s not John McGinn’s fate.
    I don't think you're wrong but I'd say almost anyone down there that doesn't hit the ground running is toast.

    It doesn't matter if that player has cost 10s of millions. 10s of millions is loose change!
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