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    Quote Originally Posted by baggageandfibs View Post
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    Aye but you don't compound the injustice by going 'ach well, $#@! happens, let's forget about it'. You make sure lessons are learned and it doesn't happen again. You make sure that the ones who committed the injustice are not allowed to act with impunity and rub your face in it.
    Exactly, it's a joke, people should be held accountable at the SFA, people covering there own arses and were somehow involved in that, a review would be transparent, it's the right thing to do, unfortunately people have skeletons in there cupboards.
    Italy has cleaned up its corruption problem more than us and that's saying something, The Sevco have something on Roddets, Regan and co, they're bricking it.

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    I received this from a St. Patrick's Branch member and will raise it......

    As Branch Secretary of the largest single Hibs Supporters Branch , I implore you to discuss this matter with the Branch Committee . I, for one, have never been more embarrassed to be a Hibs Supporter than I am just now, having read that sub-Pontius Pilate-esque excuse for not standing up for justice and integrity.


    Incidentally, Hibs, as a Club, suffered due to the old Huns' cheating on many occasions during that infamous era. The following are just the top six instances:

    1) During the 2000-01 season the dead club pipped Hibs to second place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted Champions League football during the 2001-02 season;

    2) On Saturday, 26 January 2002, I was among around 1,500 Hibbies in a crowd of less than 26,000 at Ibrox to watch a Scottish Cup tie which the hosts won 4-1. Without the dead club's cheating, Hibs (having equalised through Grant Brebner; what a celebration that engendered!) might have won and gone on to win the Scottish Cup that season. (We had to wait another fourteen years, and much as I would not change that perfect day in May 2016, it would have been nice to have ended the drought a wee bit earlier!);

    3) On Thursday, 24 October 2002, the dead club knocked us out of the League Cup by winning 3-2 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that Season's League Cup.;

    4) On Saturday, 10 January 2004, I watched the dead club knock us out of the Scottish Cup by winning 2-0 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.;

    5) During the 2005-06 season the dead club pipped Hibs to third place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted European football (other than the Inter-Toto Cup) during the 2006-07 season.; and

    6) On Sunday, 9 March 2008, the dead club scored against a Hibs team temporarily reduced to ten men due to an injury during a Scottish Cup replay at Ibrox. It was the only goal of the tie. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.

    The Authorities - including the powers-that-be at Hibernian Football Club - want us all to develop collective selective amnesia and to forget how the old Huns profited from cheating. Well, I never will. And, if I know you as I think I do, neither will you. Neither will my Dad, neither will my brother. Neither will any Hibby I know.

    The Club must be made aware of our disdain of their actions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by baggageandfibs View Post
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    Aye but you don't compound the injustice by going 'ach well, $#@! happens, let's forget about it'. You make sure lessons are learned and it doesn't happen again. You make sure that the ones who committed the injustice are not allowed to act with impunity and rub your face in it.
    Hibernian are not the governing body. Hibernian are one of 42 SPFL clubs. We alone have exactly zero clout on the matter. We already know the position of one of our contemporaries in Aberdeen, and have taken a similar stance. It's not about shrugging our shoulders and saying "oh well", but we simply don't have the power to do anything about the governing body.

    For what it's worth I don't disagree with anything you are saying, and if I believed we as a club could do anything about it I'd view this differently.

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    Hibernian are not the governing body. Hibernian are one of 42 SPFL clubs. We alone have exactly zero clout on the matter. We already know the position of one of our contemporaries in Aberdeen, and have taken a similar stance.

    I don't disagree with anything you are saying, but I don't see how Hibs can do anything about it.
    Zab can you enlighten us with what Hibernian did when inundated with complaints about our fans treatment at the Christmas Bigotfest and consequent outcomes following meetings with the Huns? What clout did Hibs use?

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    Tracey Frank (who would of originally had something to say) speak to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmanandy View Post
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    Tracey Frank (who would of originally had something to say) speak to us?
    I understand that Tracey and Frank intend to release their own 'statement' shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shrink View Post
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    I understand that Tracey and Frank intend to release their own 'statement' shortly.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shrink View Post
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    I understand that Tracey and Frank intend to release their own 'statement' shortly.
    Will try to keep an open mind but hard to see how they've represented the fans' views here. Maybe they're resigning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shrink View Post
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    I understand that Tracey and Frank intend to release their own 'statement' shortly.
    About the Christmas Bigotfest or the Hunbelievable Statement or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    Zab can you enlighten us with what Hibernian did when inundated with complaints about our fans treatment at the Christmas Bigotfest and consequent outcomes following meetings with the Huns? What clout did Hibs use?

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    I believe that is a different issue, and not one I know much about. What relevance has this to the current discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibadelic View Post
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    Will try to keep an open mind but hard to see how they've represented the fans' views here. Maybe they're resigning?
    Not really for me to say, but I'm not sure if there IS a 'fan's view' to be represented.

    What I wanted was probably illegal - but not that much more than the crimes already committed.


    I'm pretty clear however who the criminals AREN'T - and that's the Hibs.

    Fans and club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    I received this from a St. Patrick's Branch member and will raise it......

    As Branch Secretary of the largest single Hibs Supporters Branch , I implore you to discuss this matter with the Branch Committee . I, for one, have never been more embarrassed to be a Hibs Supporter than I am just now, having read that sub-Pontius Pilate-esque excuse for not standing up for justice and integrity.


    Incidentally, Hibs, as a Club, suffered due to the old Huns' cheating on many occasions during that infamous era. The following are just the top six instances:

    1) During the 2000-01 season the dead club pipped Hibs to second place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted Champions League football during the 2001-02 season;

    2) On Saturday, 26 January 2002, I was among around 1,500 Hibbies in a crowd of less than 26,000 at Ibrox to watch a Scottish Cup tie which the hosts won 4-1. Without the dead club's cheating, Hibs (having equalised through Grant Brebner; what a celebration that engendered!) might have won and gone on to win the Scottish Cup that season. (We had to wait another fourteen years, and much as I would not change that perfect day in May 2016, it would have been nice to have ended the drought a wee bit earlier!);

    3) On Thursday, 24 October 2002, the dead club knocked us out of the League Cup by winning 3-2 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that Season's League Cup.;

    4) On Saturday, 10 January 2004, I watched the dead club knock us out of the Scottish Cup by winning 2-0 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.;

    5) During the 2005-06 season the dead club pipped Hibs to third place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted European football (other than the Inter-Toto Cup) during the 2006-07 season.; and

    6) On Sunday, 9 March 2008, the dead club scored against a Hibs team temporarily reduced to ten men due to an injury during a Scottish Cup replay at Ibrox. It was the only goal of the tie. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.

    The Authorities - including the powers-that-be at Hibernian Football Club - want us all to develop collective selective amnesia and to forget how the old Huns profited from cheating. Well, I never will. And, if I know you as I think I do, neither will you. Neither will my Dad, neither will my brother. Neither will any Hibby I know.

    The Club must be made aware of our disdain of their actions.
    Gordon this must have cost the club a significant sum of prize money and other income, yet the sfa and club happily sold us season tickets for competitions they likely knew where already corrupt. Hibs contempt towards the fans is shocking. Huge step backwards

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    About the Christmas Bigotfest or the Hunbelievable Statement or both?

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    The 'statement' I think - but time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    I received this from a St. Patrick's Branch member and will raise it......As Branch Secretary of the largest single Hibs Supporters Branch , I implore you to discuss this matter with the Branch Committee . I, for one, have never been more embarrassed to be a Hibs Supporter than I am just now, having read that sub-Pontius Pilate-esque excuse for not standing up for justice and integrity.Incidentally, Hibs, as a Club, suffered due to the old Huns' cheating on many occasions during that infamous era. The following are just the top six instances:1) During the 2000-01 season the dead club pipped Hibs to second place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted Champions League football during the 2001-02 season;2) On Saturday, 26 January 2002, I was among around 1,500 Hibbies in a crowd of less than 26,000 at Ibrox to watch a Scottish Cup tie which the hosts won 4-1. Without the dead club's cheating, Hibs (having equalised through Grant Brebner; what a celebration that engendered!) might have won and gone on to win the Scottish Cup that season. (We had to wait another fourteen years, and much as I would not change that perfect day in May 2016, it would have been nice to have ended the drought a wee bit earlier!);3) On Thursday, 24 October 2002, the dead club knocked us out of the League Cup by winning 3-2 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that Season's League Cup.;4) On Saturday, 10 January 2004, I watched the dead club knock us out of the Scottish Cup by winning 2-0 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.;5) During the 2005-06 season the dead club pipped Hibs to third place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted European football (other than the Inter-Toto Cup) during the 2006-07 season.; and 6) On Sunday, 9 March 2008, the dead club scored against a Hibs team temporarily reduced to ten men due to an injury during a Scottish Cup replay at Ibrox. It was the only goal of the tie. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.The Authorities - including the powers-that-be at Hibernian Football Club - want us all to develop collective selective amnesia and to forget how the old Huns profited from cheating. Well, I never will. And, if I know you as I think I do, neither will you. Neither will my Dad, neither will my brother. Neither will any Hibby I know.The Club must be made aware of our disdain of their actions.
    Big G as as St Pats member totally support the branch taking this up and at least putting out our own statement or a joint one with other branches.

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    Big G as as St Pats member totally support the branch taking this up and at least putting out our own statement or a joint one with other branches.
    I second that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    I received this from a St. Patrick's Branch member and will raise it......

    As Branch Secretary of the largest single Hibs Supporters Branch , I implore you to discuss this matter with the Branch Committee . I, for one, have never been more embarrassed to be a Hibs Supporter than I am just now, having read that sub-Pontius Pilate-esque excuse for not standing up for justice and integrity.


    Incidentally, Hibs, as a Club, suffered due to the old Huns' cheating on many occasions during that infamous era. The following are just the top six instances:

    1) During the 2000-01 season the dead club pipped Hibs to second place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted Champions League football during the 2001-02 season;

    2) On Saturday, 26 January 2002, I was among around 1,500 Hibbies in a crowd of less than 26,000 at Ibrox to watch a Scottish Cup tie which the hosts won 4-1. Without the dead club's cheating, Hibs (having equalised through Grant Brebner; what a celebration that engendered!) might have won and gone on to win the Scottish Cup that season. (We had to wait another fourteen years, and much as I would not change that perfect day in May 2016, it would have been nice to have ended the drought a wee bit earlier!);

    3) On Thursday, 24 October 2002, the dead club knocked us out of the League Cup by winning 3-2 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that Season's League Cup.;

    4) On Saturday, 10 January 2004, I watched the dead club knock us out of the Scottish Cup by winning 2-0 at Easter Road. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.;

    5) During the 2005-06 season the dead club pipped Hibs to third place. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have hosted European football (other than the Inter-Toto Cup) during the 2006-07 season.; and

    6) On Sunday, 9 March 2008, the dead club scored against a Hibs team temporarily reduced to ten men due to an injury during a Scottish Cup replay at Ibrox. It was the only goal of the tie. Without the dead club's cheating, we might have gone on to win that season's Scottish Cup.

    The Authorities - including the powers-that-be at Hibernian Football Club - want us all to develop collective selective amnesia and to forget how the old Huns profited from cheating. Well, I never will. And, if I know you as I think I do, neither will you. Neither will my Dad, neither will my brother. Neither will any Hibby I know.

    The Club must be made aware of our disdain of their actions.
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    I believe that is a different issue, and not one I know much about. What relevance has this to the current discussion?
    Plenty. Precedent shows us with Christmas Bigotfestgate that feedback from Fans reps....nay Hibs tops can be lamentably if pretty non existent . If the Fans reps come out with bland backing or towing the line of the Hunbelievable Statement....they are not representing the general consensus of supporters nor doing their job in my opinion. Hope I am wrong.

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    I understand that Tracey and Frank intend to release their own 'statement' shortly.
    On point of principle they should walk.

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    Not really for me to say, but I'm not sure if there IS a 'fan's view' to be represented.

    What I wanted was probably illegal - but not that much more than the crimes already committed.


    I'm pretty clear however who the criminals AREN'T - and that's the Hibs.

    Fans and club.
    I don't know of any fan who doesn't think Hibs should have demanded an inquiry - very few on this thread. I'm sure they exist but surely a minority.

    I agree with your other points.
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    Regan and Dungmaster where paid by the Huns years ago, brown envelopes under the table. Sweep sweep.

    Do Tracey and Frank get a vote on that 'unanimous' vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    Plenty. Precedent shows us with Christmas Bigotfestgate that feedback from Fans reps....nay Hibs tops can be lamentably if pretty non existent . If the Fans reps come out with bland backing or towing the line of the Hunbelievable Statement....they are not representing the general consensus of supporters nor doing their job in my opinion. Hope I am wrong.

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    Right ok I understand where you're coming from now - I've not really mentioned or considered the fan reps regarding the statement the club have made, mainly because I don't imagine they had any influence on the outcome.

    It will be interesting to see if the fan rep statement is more in line with the general consensus of the majority of Scottish football fans (myself included) that the Rangers EBT issue should be investigated and punished accordingly, or as you say whether they tow the party line. If it's the former it will show that they have a voice but no power, if the latter then it shows they're not representative of the majority of the Hibs support.
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    I don't know of any fan who doesn't think Hibs should have demanded an inquiry - very few on this thread. I'm sure they exist but surely a minority.

    I agree with your other points.
    I think 90% (at least) of us internet bampots were pretty clear we wanted the matter looked at again, and I'd imagine Tracey and Frank transmitted that to the Board. However, why they accepted corporate responsibility for the statement (if indeed they have) is for them to clarify.

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    What now..protest before the game on Saturday?

    Hope St Pats will release a statement as mentioned
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    I think 90% (at least) of us internet bampots were pretty clear we wanted the matter looked at again, and I'd imagine Tracey and Frank transmitted that to the Board. However, why they accepted corporate responsibility for the statement (if indeed they have) is for them to clarify.
    According to the statement the decision was unanimous.

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    Hope St Pats will release a statement as mentioned
    Hopefully one from ourselves at the Bounce also.
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    According to the statement the decision was unanimous.

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    Saw something from Tracey on twitter tonight confirming her and Frank agreed with the stance of the board.

    Deeply regret voting for that pair.
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    the pair of them might as well just step down now, their posts are a complete waste of time.
    I have to reluctantly agree with this. Having spoken to Tracy, I know she is totally sound and a good person - but as "fans reps" on the board, it's difficult to see how they can justify standing behind this statement, given that I'd say it's no exaggeration to say that at least 80% of Hibs fans fundamentally and passionately disagree with it. I certainly don't know a single Hibby that agrees with it, and I know a fair few. I don't see how you can reconcile that and still call yourself a fans rep?

    If they were to have disagreed on our behalf and been overruled - okay. But you simply can't reasonably claim to be part of a unanimous decision here.

    It is an abdication of representation. End of. There's no getting away from that.

    However, I'm not binning my season ticket or stopping going. I realise that may make me a hypocrite in some folks eyes. But what Hibs are to me, and indeed going to the football in general, is a lot bigger than a) The Rangers and b) the current board. And I'm not going to diminish my life by feeling compelled to sacrifice all that following Hibs, and my team on the park, mean to me.

    But to be clear - this is a bull$#@! statement, and it's not made in my name, that's for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tricky View Post
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    Saw something from Tracey on twitter tonight confirming her and Frank agreed with the stance of the board.

    Deeply regret voting for that pair.
    The only vote they will be getting from me in future is of no confidence.

    Pointless post and they do not represent us.

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    On point of principle they should walk.
    Or maybe just crawl smurf
    This whole shenanigans beggars belief

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    I have to reluctantly agree with this. Having spoken to Tracy, I know she is totally sound and a good person - but as "fans reps" on the board, it's difficult to see how they can justify standing behind this statement, given that I'd say it's no exaggeration to say that at least 80% of Hibs fans fundamentally and passionately disagree with it. I certainly don't know a single Hibby that agrees with it, and I know a fair few. I don't see how you can reconcile that and still call yourself a fans rep?

    If they were to have disagreed on our behalf and been overruled - okay. But you simply can't reasonably claim to be part of a unanimous decision here.

    It is an abdication of representation. End of. There's no getting away from that.

    However, I'm not binning my season ticket or stopping going. I realise that may make me a hypocrite in some folks eyes. But what Hibs are to me, and indeed going to the football in general, is a lot bigger than a) The Rangers and b) the current board. And I'm not going to diminish my life by feeling compelled to sacrifice all that following Hibs, and my team on the park, mean to me.

    But to be clear - this is a bull$#@! statement, and it's not made in my name, that's for sure.


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    Ashamed of Hibs this evening. Have been wary of Petrie and a possible conflict of interests with his role at the SFA for a while now. He should've been gone years ago and he can certainly $#@! right off now. The statement is a disgrace and smacks of self-interest. The club would have been better saying nothing.

    As for the fans reps, well that is a side-story but surely their positions are untenable now no matter what statement they release.
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    Hibs fans will be Hibs fans will be Hibs fans.......when every single Board member at present is no longer there. Why the $#@! do you think anyone would consider you a hypocrite amigo.

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    Cheers G - I guess in reality it's a part of myself that feels a little bit hypocritical. Like, by continuing to pay my money and go along, I'm to a degree complicit with the stance. And I guess I'm just angry right now too, that it seems to throw a stark reality of modern football into sharp relief (and not just in Hibs case) - that we ARE the club, just like Dons fans ARE Aberdeen FC, but the people at the top feel able to separate the club from that reality, while at the same time presuming the right to speak "on our behalf".

    It's a sorry saga from bottom to top.

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    I don't understand how this

    "The lengthy and detailed explanation of the SPFL legal advice (July 26th 2017) makes clear that this matter has now been thoroughly examined by some of Scotland’s keenest legal minds, and their opinion is that – given the rules which applied at that time - no additional sanctions could be retrospectively applied."

    can be true when

    "It fell to the Supreme Court to decide whether money paid in to an EBT (in place of remuneration or salary) was ‘income’ and subject to Income Tax and NIC. The Supreme Court upheld HMRC’s position."

    And furthermore

    Discussing the Rangers case, David Richardson, director general of HMRC’s customer compliance group, stated:

    “This decision has wide-ranging implications for other avoidance cases and we encourage anyone who’s tried to avoid tax on their earnings to now agree with us the tax owed…”



    Now I'm first to admit I don't have a really detailed understanding of the legal fine print. But if - as is implied - there is a clear case for retrospectively clawing back those funds, then there must also be a case that Rangers cheated and this must be worth examining. The breathtaking logical leaps in the statement, the boilerplate 'positivity' about the 'game' - I don't think I've ever people so clearly and obviously sweeping a huge turd under the carpet.
    so what do I know

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    Saw something from Tracey on twitter tonight confirming her and Frank agreed with the stance of the board.

    Deeply regret voting for that pair.
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    Credit certainly to Hibs for giving us the communication we craved but its a real slap in the puss for anyone who cares deeply about the integrity and governance of Scottish Football.

    The "Dear Leaders" SFA ambitions are well known but more dissapointing is the mounting evidence of Leannes failures when faced with anything controversial concerning "Scotland's Shame 1872" or "Scotland's Shame 2012".

    Complete silence on the intimidating Xmas bigotfest match despite numerous supporters complaints, utter silence on the breathtaking media lies over the cup final and a complete failure at any time to confront any of the numerous joke statements emanating from "Scotland's Shame 2012" or their fan groups.

    In that light its not entirely unexpected for Hibs to tug the forelock and fall cap in hand behind the SFA's cowardice but its beyond hugely disappointing.

    In the overall big picture the fans reps situation is a bit of an irrelevance but of course they should resign or at least register their strong dissent at this GTF aimed right at the fanbase they are meant to represent.

    Tracey gives the impression of being a very well meaning wee lassie totally and completely out of her depth in events of this magnitude and Frank has redefined the fans rep role as his own wee personal fiefdom so wont be rocking any boats.

    This issue wont ever go away in Scottish Football but how sad is it to be represented by a collective board of Directors who to all intents and purposes when asked to show leadership and confront proven blatant cheating over a 10 year period just absolutely "Shat it".

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    Not one more brass farthing from me. The game is rigged. Thanks for $#@! all Hibs
    Think this is where I am now after some hard thinking, all that money spent over all those years of cheating when it apparently wasn't known about (aye right) wasted. Even now that it's out in the open nowt is tae be done about it and those involved with operating it and those involved with covering it up continue tae be involved in the upper echelons of Scottish fitba. Scottish fitba is corrupt and rotten tae the core and our club is now a part of that corruption due tae the scheming and self preservation/interest of one man, he has dragged this club down tae the gutter where him and the rest of the SFA operate. The game in this country has about as much credibility as American wrestling. They've had my money for this season and there's nowt I can dae about that now but while any of these people remain involved and until something is done about it, the game is up.

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    Credit certainly to Hibs for giving us the communication we craved but its a real slap in the puss for anyone who cares deeply about the integrity and governance of Scottish Football.

    The "Dear Leaders" SFA ambitions are well known but more dissapointing is the mounting evidence of Leannes failures when faced with anything controversial concerning "Scotland's Shame 1872" or "Scotland's Shame 2012".

    Complete silence on the intimidating Xmas bigotfest match despite numerous supporters complaints, utter silence on the breathtaking media lies over the cup final and a complete failure at any time to confront any of the numerous joke statements emanating from "Scotland's Shame 2012" or their fan groups.

    In that light its not entirely unexpected for Hibs to tug the forelock and fall cap in hand behind the SFA's cowardice but its beyond hugely disappointing.

    In the overall big picture the fans reps situation is a bit of an irrelevance but of course they should resign or at least register their strong dissent at this GTF aimed right at the fanbase they are meant to represent.

    Tracey gives the impression of being a very well meaning wee lassie totally and completely out of her depth in events of this magnitude and Frank has redefined the fans rep role as his own wee personal fiefdom so wont be rocking any boats.

    This issue wont ever go away in Scottish Football but how sad is it to be represented by a collective board of Directors who to all intents and purposes when asked to show leadership and confront proven blatant cheating over a 10 year period just absolutely "Shat it".
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    According to the statement the decision was unanimous.

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    Indeed it was, and that's why it's up to the Fans Reps to explain their stance.

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    However, I'm not binning my season ticket or stopping going. I realise that may make me a hypocrite in some folks eyes. But what Hibs are to me, and indeed going to the football in general, is a lot bigger than a) The Rangers and b) the current board. And I'm not going to diminish my life by feeling compelled to sacrifice all that following Hibs, and my team on the park, mean to me.
    And the club admins know this. It's not some corp who you can readily boycott or use an alternative, it's something sewn deep into all of our souls. They'll have gauged the obvious reaction and ordered all parts of the club to keep heads down...I suspect there will be no interviews with players/coaches until the pre match obligatory ones.

    I've missed most of the games this season so far, next one ( if I manage to get a ticket) will be Celtc. If was able to go this weekend, I'd probably not go as some kind of token futile gesture, but I know- and more importantly they know- I'll be back when able. I'll be going to ER long after Petrie/Dempster have shuffled off to pastures new.

    The sour taste of condoning cheating and the smugness pouring out of Ibrox will leave the lasting memory of supplicancy from our board of directors. I didn't trust in the mantra 'in Leanne we trust' before that statement, I trust her even less so now.

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    Ashamed of Hibs this evening. Have been wary of Petrie and a possible conflict of interests with his role at the SFA for a while now. He should've been gone years ago and he can certainly $#@! right off now. The statement is a disgrace and smacks of self-interest. The club would have been better saying nothing.

    As for the fans reps, well that is a side-story but surely their positions are untenable now no matter what statement they release.
    Petrie was part of the "5 way" agreement or whatever it was called.

    SPFL and SFA parped it at the thought of losing Rangers back then...and its embarrassing - maybe understandable, a lot of dosh at stake, but spineless.

    but to realise why they got to the stage where the administrators of the game believed the whole scottish game revolved round 2 of 42 clubs is more embarrassing...the preceding decade needs to be investigated fully - the focusing on the duopoly, and the way the game was run from 86 onwards - i think it is more than probably dirt will appear on all kinds of clubs - maybe even our own, but it needs to happen.

    when mcleish left there were rumoured to be 50+ first team players - now if wages could be offset in an EBT scheme or other option it would be reckless of hibs not to investigate it....bain the architect went from rangers to hearts....maybe he didnt take the scheme to hearts but it need to be clarified.

    this isnt a pro-sevco anti-sevco thing - that pantomime is merely a by product of massive mismanagement - followed by a lack of transparency and venturing dreadfully close to all out disdain and mistrust.
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    And the club admins know this. It's not some corp who you can readily boycott or use an alternative, it's something sewn deep into all of our souls. They'll have gauged the obvious reaction and ordered all parts of the club to keep heads down.
    This exactly. I`ll admit to being in a bit of turmoil right now. The stench of corruption is so strong in Scottish football you can feel it. The self-serving boys club at the SFA have no integrity or shame. Our club has just said publically that it is comfortable in the knowledge that Scottish football is rotten but what can you expect when your chairman is the Vice President of that same boys club. No conflict of interest at all then.

    We wanted a statement to call out the huns and the media on their lies after the cup final. Club said nothing. We wanted a statement calling out the hun behaviour after the infamous Ibrox game. Club said nothing. When a statement is finally given....it supports corruption at the highest level of Scottish football. Wish club had said nothing.

    I`ll continue to go to games this season. I`ve paid my money. I`d also miss being in The Harp with my pals before the game. I love Hibs but the corruption at the top of the game is something i cant ignore. I am so disappointed in the club just now. The board only had to support an independent review.No more.
    I`ll make a decision at the end of this season.
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    This exactly. I`ll admit to being in a bit of turmoil right now. The stench of corruption is so strong in Scottish football you can feel it. The self-serving boys club at the SFA have no integrity or shame. Our club has just said publically that it is comfortable in the knowledge that Scottish football is rotten but what can you expect when your chairman is the Vice President of that same boys club. No conflict of interest at all then.

    We wanted a statement to call out the huns and the media on their lies after the cup final. Club said nothing. We wanted a statement calling out the hun behaviour after the infamous Ibrox game. Club said nothing. When a statement is finally given....it supports corruption at the highest level of Scottish football. Wish club had said nothing.

    I`ll continue to go to games this season. I`ve paid my money. I`d also miss being in The Harp with my pals before the game. I love Hibs but the corruption at the top of the game is something i cant ignore. I am so disappointed in the club just now. The board only had to support an independent review.No more.
    I`ll make a decision at the end of this season.
    Don't think you'd be a football fan if this whole sorry episode didn't cause some kind of internal turmoil about what's morally correct vs what's being allowed to be swept under the carpet. We're all invested emotionally and financially in a competitive, professional sport where you hope a level playing field is the least you'd expect. We've all acknowledged over the years that there's a degree of favouritism for the OF, both on the filed of play and in the board rooms of The SFA.

    But for our own club to come out and pretty much agree it's happened and accept we should all move on without any more to be done or said really is a size 5 mitre mouldmaster to the sacks on a cold winters playtime. We're being told to accept an unlevel playing field- even moreso than the obvious advantage larger clubs have over smaller clubs- and get on with it.

    I'll make a judgement call next summer about whether to continue following Hibs. I guess I probably will.

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    it is does at times to say its not a duopoly when you see stats like this.....

    BUt it isnt , or rather it should be, a duopoly
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    Message for Tracey or Frank

    The elephant in the room in all this whole stinking mess is the fact that the SFA have made themselves all but redundant as the arbiters of what is honest or fair in Scottish football. It's clear that Rangers did gain some sort of advantage from the EBTs (otherwise why would they have bothered?). But by choosing to be (at best) selective and (at worst) biased in the way they viewed this and (crucially) the subsequent insolvency, the SFA have made themselves irrelevant. If, in the future, another club is discovered to have been bending the rules they will be able to point to the way the letter of the law was not applied in this case. The only way to restore credibility going forwards must be for a new organisation to be created which deals with all issues of ethics in Scottish Football.


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    I'll be standing behind St Pats .


    SFA are a bunch of corrupt $#@!s. Biggest cheats in World Sport.

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    Been thinking - while we're battering Hibs (and Aberdeen and whoever else), let's not forget that perhaps the finest hour for non-Glasvegas football fans in living memory is the line in the sand that was drawn that prevented the Huns from walking straight back into one of the top two divisions. Cos make no mistake, if it had been left to the corrupt fuds that "run" the game in this tinpot $#@!ing country, that's exactly what would have happened.




    And another thing: all of this is not Hibs' or Aberdeen's fault, or anyone else's at the end of the day - it's fully down to the the stinking, backward institution in Govan, who not satisfied with the hiding-in-plain-sight institutional bias they already enjoyed, and a financial advantage already dwarfing anyone else's (barring the other Galsgow arsecheek) by orders of magnitude, felt the need to cheat just to make sure they finished in front of Celtc.

    We shouldn't forget all that, even in the face of a truly disappointing response from the suits at our own club. Our players and support are blameless.





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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    On Saturday, 26 January 2002, I was among around 1,500 Hibbies in a crowd of less than 26,000 at Ibrox to watch a Scottish Cup tie which the hosts won 4-1. Without the dead club's cheating, Hibs (having equalised through Grant Brebner; what a celebration that engendered!) might have won and gone on to win the Scottish Cup that season. (We had to wait another fourteen years, and much as I would not change that perfect day in May 2016, it would have been nice to have ended the drought a wee bit earlier!);
    I was at that game, a few of us ended up on the pitch when Brebner equalised. Seem to recall a Sikh boy in a turban being lifted as he was the only Hibs fan the police could identify once the post-goal carnage had died down, poor sod Ibrox wasn't a happy hunting ground for us back then.
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