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    Gunts.

    Since 1962

    Since 1962..oooooo

    You`ve no won the wee cup since 1962...


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    Can't wait for Cathro's interview after this one

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    Encouraging stuff on view.

    Total lack of creativity in midfield with familiar overload of central midfielders who can't score or do much in the opposition last third. Nicolson away and Walker dropped for footballing reasons.

    There were a lot of long balls and Goncalves was on the receiving end of boos a couple of times. Lafferty looked OK on slim pickings but he won't be happy playing in front of that lot.

    Poor? Cathro was getting pelters when stood on the touchline at the Wheatfield for the penalties.

    Beaten into third by the mighty Peterheed no less. Even with finances stretched by the new stand and the cost overrun, Budgie will be under pressure to overspend by the Savile nation as they look really average.


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    The mighty Peterhead!

    Honesty at last.

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    Football's a funny old game as they say.


    They also say what goes around comes around. I think that gorgie lot are about to find that out. The only shame is that the transfer window isn't closed yet.


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    keekback shut down, but plenty other places to get a laugh (or should that be laff)

    $#@! Off Cathro You ****.

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    They've started to turn not only on Laptop Boy and Potter but Budge too now. Some saying everything has gone downhill since she took over...didn't take long for them to turn her from the saviour of their club into the subject of some pretty unhinged abuse.

    I always put Sky+ on to record any televised Hibs games so that I can watch them back when I get home, should it be of interest. I usually do in most cases. I hadn't realised until I got home from Alloa this evening that I had clicked series link for tne BT coverage of the cup and it was on the box. So I FF to half time and saw the, erm, "highlights" and the, erm, "debate". Then did the same for the second half - FF to about 87 mins and beyond.

    Oh, Lordy...

    I wish all those media dafties would stop calling for Laptop to be sacked though. The longer he stays, the better!
    Hibs are standing on the brink of history...

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    Woke up this morning seriously expecting to find that Cathro has been bulleted but it seems he's still safe ?? I'm starting to worry if their obsession with us runs so deep that they're keeping him on until AFTER the 1st derby (Oct 24th) hoping our team couldn't handle the pressure of possibly losing the first SPL-Derby in 3 years, to a keech Jambo-team managed by HIM ??.

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    I drink up the Grassmarket on Saturdays.

    I dived out for a smoke when the final whistle went but did I spot managers shaking hands and Cathro heading down the tunnel? It was quite funny watching him and the players squirm as they went through the notions of taking pointless penalties. (Stand down pendant, I know Dunfermline got a point :-)

    Our pet gunt was in before the game finished, in plenty time to watch the penalties though

    He's not a happy chappy although the good thing is he reckons the playing squad is decent.

    Another non attending gunt is convinced we'll be second in the league.
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    The season has not even started yet so I doubt they will fire a manager who has been allowed to bring in several players over the summer. Going out the League Cup is a serious setback for them however, especially in a section that they should have been able to win without too many problems. I can see them bringing in someone like Jefferies to help out Cathro. Cathro is probably a decent coach ( reason he got the job, plus Levein had worked with him before) but is clearly out of his depth as a manager of a major Scottish club with all the pressure from the media and expectations from fans to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    The season has not even started yet so I doubt they will fire a manager who has been allowed to bring in several players over the summer. Going out the League Cup is a serious setback for them however, especially in a section that they should have been able to win without too many problems. I can see them bringing in someone like Jefferies to help out Cathro. Cathro is probably a decent coach ( reason he got the job, plus Levein had worked with him before) but is clearly out of his depth as a manager of a major Scottish club with all the pressure from the media and expectations from fans to deal with.
    My heart is bleeding purple pish for them. Personally, I find their predicament $#@!in hilarious. Reap what you sow Gunt $#@!ers.
    Game's rigged, why bother?

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    Jambos saying that Levein walked into the Lounge to watch the pens and the 1st thing he asked was how Hibs had got on........
    There's no other way
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    Quote Originally Posted by PILTONSTANY View Post
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    Jambos saying that Levein walked into the Lounge to watch the pens and the 1st thing he asked was how Hibs had got on........
    True story.

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    As much as I revel in watching all gunts, levein and budgie steamroll along into there car crash, I can't help but feel sorry for Cathro. He just looks so out of place , a little boy lost.
    I suppose pitying the gunts is the ultimate humiliation .
    I really hope they give him another half dozen games, the wee lamb deserves it ( and so do they )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    The season has not even started yet so I doubt they will fire a manager who has been allowed to bring in several players over the summer. Going out the League Cup is a serious setback for them however, especially in a section that they should have been able to win without too many problems. I can see them bringing in someone like Jefferies to help out Cathro. Cathro is probably a decent coach ( reason he got the job, plus Levein had worked with him before) but is clearly out of his depth as a manager of a major Scottish club with all the pressure from the media and expectations from fans to deal with.
    Can they actually afford to sack him - he's on a 3-year contract ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deansy View Post
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    Can they actually afford to sack him - he's on a 3-year contract ?
    To make it slightly worse, he signed a 3.5 yr contract, so still has 3 years left 😂😂😂😂
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    I was listening to it all unfold on open all mics and they were being slaughtered by the boy at the game.
    Then anyone hear Cathro's interview??

    Went about blaming Soutter for the goal, but then blamed himself because he should've brought him off at half time, then when the lass asked him if he had anything to say to the supporters to assure them he'll make it better.... ''Nah, I'll just go back to doing my job'' Really? Nothing to say? ''I'll do my talking on the pitch'' Or words to those effects

    Bordering on Colin Calderwood.. Should be a fun start to the season for them, 4 away games (Celtic and Rangers included) then their first home game is Aberdeen
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    Rumours on pussbook that he's got his jotters today.
    Game's rigged, why bother?

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    Whole game on BT Sport 1 just now...
    Watched a good bit of it. Hearts defensively shambolic for both goals. Looked to have no cohesive shape going forward as well.
    Former Hibs reserve keeper Sean Murdoch made an error for Hears first goal but redeemed himself with a brilliant save later on.
    Cardle's goal was superb.
    Dunfermline played very well. I think Allan Johnstone is a brave manager who is not afraid to let his teams have a go at bigger clubs stadiums. I still believe they were the best team I saw playing against Hibs at Easter Road last season. Marciano got Hibs a point on his own that night.

    Johnstone will be in the frame for the Hearts job if Cathro goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmachine View Post
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    Hearts defensively shambolic for both goals.
    Yip, the much heralded (overhyped) Souttar was poor at both goals.
    Very slow on the turn for the first and then jumped in like a fool for the second. Cathro tried to take the blame by saying he should have subbed him prior to the second but that doesn't excuse the needless lunge.

    Berra isn't exactly the most mobile centre back either and with Aaron Hughes nearing 38 teams should be targeting that throughout the season.

    There's a lot to be positive about in Gorgie just now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
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    My heart is bleeding purple pish for them. Personally, I find their predicament $#@!in hilarious. Reap what you sow Gunt $#@!ers.
    Can't argue wi that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammi View Post
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    I was listening to it all unfold on open all mics and they were being slaughtered by the boy at the game.
    Then anyone hear Cathro's interview??

    Went about blaming Soutter for the goal, but then blamed himself because he should've brought him off at half time, then when the lass asked him if he had anything to say to the supporters to assure them he'll make it better.... ''Nah, I'll just go back to doing my job'' Really? Nothing to say? ''I'll do my talking on the pitch'' Or words to those effects

    Bordering on Colin Calderwood.. Should be a fun start to the season for them, 4 away games (Celtic and Rangers included) then their first home game is Aberdeen
    A friend of mine was sitting behind Harry Potter at the Peterhead game and said he was somewhat less than complimentary about his players, using some colourful language too. Hopefully there's much more of that to come - I love a good fall-out.

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    heard on radio that their foundation is collection £120k a month...pretty impressive if true though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy View Post
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    heard on radio that their foundation is collection £120k a month...pretty impressive if true though
    Look at their squad though. You have to wonder where all that cash is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
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    Look at their squad though. You have to wonder where all that cash is going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
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    Look at their squad though. You have to wonder where all that cash is going.
    They've to pay Budge back and a new stand to fund...
    Hibs are standing on the brink of history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKII View Post
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    They've to pay Budge back and a new stand to fund...
    With hefty %
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy View Post
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    heard on radio that their foundation is collection £120k a month...pretty impressive if true though
    That alone could add around £2.5k a week to their teams players over ours. Think about it.

    Streets ahead of HSL unfortunately. 8,000 members to our 1,600. Over 50% of their season ticket holders to less than 20% of ours.

    While they're paying off their stand, the stand overspend and supersize chip pans and then buying out Budgies millions plus 6% interest that £120k won't make much impact on the playing side, even if you add in cash cows and bake sales!

    We've got until then to stamp our superiority on the capital and/or up the overall contributions to HSL.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    That alone could add around £2.5k a week to their teams players over ours. Think about it.

    Streets ahead of HSL unfortunately. 8,000 members to our 1,600. Over 50% of their season ticket holders to less than 20% of ours.

    While they're paying off their stand, the stand overspend and supersize chip pans and then buying out Budgies millions plus 6% interest that £120k won't make much impact on the playing side, even if you add in cash cows and bake sales!

    We've got until then to stamp our superiority on the capital and/or up the overall contributions to HSL.
    I wouldn’t compare them like for like, bud. The two campaigns are fundamentally different because one was an investment in the club (HSL), while the other was to save the club (FoH). Were decent sized clubs such as Hibs, Aberdeen or Dundee United in a similar boat, you’d have seen a very similar level of commitment – nothing galvanises supporters more than the existence of their club being threatened.

    I’m just old enough to remember ‘Hands Off Hibs’ and what was deployed for that campaign.

    The obvious counter-examples are Gretna and Rangers; but one club had nothing other than a wealthy benefactor that grossly overspent (and upon whom the club utterly relied), and the other was Gretna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    I wouldn’t compare them like for like, bud. The two campaigns are fundamentally different because one was an investment in the club (HSL), while the other was to save the club (FoH). Were decent sized clubs such as Hibs, Aberdeen or Dundee United in a similar boat, you’d have seen a very similar level of commitment – nothing galvanises supporters more than the existence of their club being threatened.

    I’m just old enough to remember ‘Hands Off Hibs’ and what was deployed for that campaign.

    The obvious counter-examples are Gretna and Rangers; but one club had nothing other than a wealthy benefactor that grossly overspent (and upon whom the club utterly relied), and the other was Gretna.
    While I appreciate what you're saying that the 4 clubs are similar in terms of size the extra £100,000 a month to the gunts is £100,000.

    That's a significant advantage and doesn't matter the reason they're getting it. If they get beyond Budgies projects they'll be spending it on players.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    While I appreciate what you're saying that the 4 clubs are similar in terms of size the extra £100,000 a month to the gunts is £100,000.

    That's a significant advantage and doesn't matter the reason they're getting it. If they get beyond Budgies projects they'll be spending it on players.
    100,000 a year is nothing in football club terms. It's 1,923 a week which, if you look at a squad of... 24?

    It's buttons.

    Nobody's going to the fiddlers for an extra 80 quid a week. They'd be better dishing out coupons for a puggy, hoping they win BIG.

    And, in real terms, it'll be even less than that because of other financing services and taxes that'll be needed. Even if they spent it on a single player, they'd get... Barry Robson?

    What we should be taking away from this, is just how little this type of approach achieves in terms of getting money into the club. We need to be exploring other options instead of hoping we can sign Barry Robson for a year.

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    While I appreciate what you're saying that the 4 clubs are similar in terms of size the extra £100,000 a month to the gunts is £100,000.

    That's a significant advantage and doesn't matter the reason they're getting it. If they get beyond Budgies projects they'll be spending it on players.
    The 6% interest on the millions to budge and investors for the stand is costing them, from what i read, about 700k a year, just the interest.
    These donuts actually think they are debt free, they are basically up yo their eyes in it again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    100,000 a year is nothing in football club terms. It's 1,923 a week which, if you look at a squad of... 24?

    It's buttons.

    Nobody's going to the fiddlers for an extra 80 quid a week. They'd be better dishing out coupons for a puggy, hoping they win BIG.

    And, in real terms, it'll be even less than that because of other financing services and taxes that'll be needed. Even if they spent it on a single player, they'd get... Barry Robson?

    What we should be taking away from this, is just how little this type of approach achieves in terms of getting money into the club. We need to be exploring other options instead of hoping we can sign Barry Robson for a year.
    It's £120,000 a month! Reports vary between £1.2m and £1.4m a year. I think HSL is around £20k a month.

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    They could get £500,000 extra a month but they'd still be $#@!e.
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    How's the whole 2-3 years to pay back the budgie's loan?
    Surely, with the way their costs keep going up and up, it'll be nearer 10-12 years....
    Even the deluded Cardigan wearing puddle drinkers are sure to have figured out they're getting shafted by then and the DD's will be long since gone.

    Budgie's lassie wisnae daft getting her ma to front up the cash. She'll still be coining in the 6% interest long after Mama Budge has fallen off her perch. ££££££ kerching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    It's £120,000 a month! Reports vary between £1.2m and £1.4m a year. I think HSL is around £20k a month.
    Aaaaaah, fair enough; my mistake. That is a much bigger deal, but something that I still doubt they'll be pumping onto the park within a year or two.

    I looked at our accounts recently, and we're in much better shape than they are because our outgoings are much less in the short to medium term. We're under no pressure for our main projects, they're under a cloud for theirs, and the added monies from playing in the Premiership will have us in the black after two years of (I reckon) managing it in the Championship.

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    ... and it's not taxed.
    Wages are.

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    I don't believe they get 120,000 a month. 240,000 50p donations? Nah! Even 24,000 £5 donations seems far fetched.


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    How's the whole 2-3 years to pay back the budgie's loan?
    Surely, with the way their costs keep going up and up, it'll be nearer 10-12 years....
    Even the deluded Cardigan wearing puddle drinkers are sure to have figured out they're getting shafted by then and the DD's will be long since gone.

    Budgie's lassie wisnae daft getting her ma to front up the cash. She'll still be coining in the 6% interest long after Mama Budge has fallen off her perch. ££££££ kerching.
    Well it's bombed. The long range forecast is they will be supporter owned ... but it will still be the one even richer supporter.

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    Aaaaaah, fair enough; my mistake. That is a much bigger deal, but something that I still doubt they'll be pumping onto the park within a year or two.

    I looked at our accounts recently, and we're in much better shape than they are because our outgoings are much less in the short to medium term. We're under no pressure for our main projects, they're under a cloud for theirs, and the added monies from playing in the Premiership will have us in the black after two years of (I reckon) managing it in the Championship.



    Wages are.
    Fair doos.

    I have my doubts about the number and value of their contributions, as advertised (when was the last time they were honest?), but then I think ... HSL are not very good in what they're doing, or more how they are going about it, and yet I look at my monthly payment and think "Its no big deal" and so it goes on.

    I get no thanks for it but at least I know the Hibs scheme actually benefits the team in front of me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bofahibee View Post
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    I don't believe they get 120,000 a month. 240,000 50p donations? Nah! Even 24,000 £5 donations seems far fetched.


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    It's reported at 8,000 members contributing an average of 15 quid a month. That seems probable given the delusion we've witnessed over the years. However, I imagine the numbers will begin to drop in the next couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zellviren View Post
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    100,000 a year is nothing in football club terms. It's 1,923 a week which, if you look at a squad of... 24?

    It's buttons.

    Nobody's going to the fiddlers for an extra 80 quid a week. They'd be better dishing out coupons for a puggy, hoping they win BIG.

    And, in real terms, it'll be even less than that because of other financing services and taxes that'll be needed. Even if they spent it on a single player, they'd get... Barry Robson?

    What we should be taking away from this, is just how little this type of approach achieves in terms of getting money into the club. We need to be exploring other options instead of hoping we can sign Barry Robson for a year.


    Was said to be £120k a month..not year

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    It's reported at 8,000 members contributing an average of 15 quid a month. That seems probable given the delusion we've witnessed over the years. However, I imagine the numbers will begin to drop in the next couple years.
    It is extremely likely they raise £15 on average as some will donate much more, they do have some well off fans. But for those of us who may give regularly to charity or some other thing, it is not difficult to put away up to £100 a month if you are on a half decent wage. Whether you would want to is another thing. Wasn't so long ago their crowds were under 8k as well, funny thing liquidation and being given the chance to feel you own a club.

    HSL perhaps need to market things differently for an increase.

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    Fair doos.

    I have my doubts about the number and value of their contributions, as advertised (when was the last time they were honest?), but then I think ... HSL are not very good in what they're doing, or more how they are going about it, and yet I look at my monthly payment and think "Its no big deal" and so it goes on.

    I get no thanks for it but at least I know the Hibs scheme actually benefits the team in front of me!
    Honestly?

    I just find HSL to be… Crooked. I’m not trying to defame anyone, or the intent, and certainly not the fans who are putting money into it. I’m happy with the presentation of the accounts and I don’t for a second think something criminal is going on. ‘Crooked’ is maybe the wrong word. What I’m trying to get at, perhaps badly, is that I don’t like the idea of HSL – I’d much rather the club set up their own version of it, rather than having it headed by someone like Kenny Macaskill. I know Leeann Dempster is on their board, but… I don’t know.

    It could be just a personal thing, but I don’t like the vibe.

    If the club came out and said they wanted 51% fan ownership, the idea of creating new shares for a supporters “body” could have been done with the club and felt a little more realistic. I’d have signed up under that scheme and not thought twice about it. I appreciate that it’d have been quite similar to the situation now, where individuals can buy shares directly from the club, but then the very point in HSL is horribly blunted by the system. I don’t know, it just seems that the system is working against itself and few people know what the goal really is.

    I often say I’m happy to be corrected, and this is one of those occasions where it’s true. There’s likely to be something I’m missing, but the Foundation of Hearts has an extremely clear goal; to keep the club running and pay for its redevelopment. The point in holding shares in HSL is… To provide money to the club, for the club to do whatever it wants with.

    Maybe I’m just not getting it.

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    Cathro sacked
    Och!!

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    Levein still there is good for us.

    Thanks for all you did Cathro!

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    Cathro sacked
    That's going to cost them financially big time...and add to that the cost of the stand which will inevitably rise as all major construction work does.

    Cathro was out of his depth with no managerial or playing experience and should never have been appointed...they can thank Levein for that brainwave.
    They will go for Houston IMO, but if the guy has any brains he will steer clear of that club.
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    The coward that is Craig Levein is still around and hopefully he is forced by Ann Budge to take on the job....

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    Honestly?

    I just find HSL to be… Crooked. I’m not trying to defame anyone, or the intent, and certainly not the fans who are putting money into it. I’m happy with the presentation of the accounts and I don’t for a second think something criminal is going on. ‘Crooked’ is maybe the wrong word. What I’m trying to get at, perhaps badly, is that I don’t like the idea of HSL – I’d much rather the club set up their own version of it, rather than having it headed by someone like Kenny Macaskill. I know Leeann Dempster is on their board, but… I don’t know.

    It could be just a personal thing, but I don’t like the vibe.

    If the club came out and said they wanted 51% fan ownership, the idea of creating new shares for a supporters “body” could have been done with the club and felt a little more realistic. I’d have signed up under that scheme and not thought twice about it. I appreciate that it’d have been quite similar to the situation now, where individuals can buy shares directly from the club, but then the very point in HSL is horribly blunted by the system. I don’t know, it just seems that the system is working against itself and few people know what the goal really is.

    I often say I’m happy to be corrected, and this is one of those occasions where it’s true. There’s likely to be something I’m missing, but the Foundation of Hearts has an extremely clear goal; to keep the club running and pay for its redevelopment. The point in holding shares in HSL is… To provide money to the club, for the club to do whatever it wants with.

    Maybe I’m just not getting it.
    HSL is getting a relaunch.

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    That's going to cost them financially big time...and add to that the cost of the stand which will inevitably rise as all major construction work does.

    Cathro was out of his depth with no managerial or playing experience and should never have been appointed...they can thank Levein for that brainwave.
    They will go for Houston IMO, but if the guy has any brains he will steer clear of that club.
    It'll be interesting to see whether they continue their much vaunted strategy of developing young, supposedly promising managers or whether they u-turn and go for a safe option such as Houston. My instant reaction would be that they need to go safe but I suspect a combination of Levein's stubbornness and a lack of money might lead the to another young prospect.
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