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    Thinking Referee cost Hibs the victory - Lennon

    Hibernian manager Neil Lennon says the officials cost his side three points in their 1-1 draw at Morton.

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    Dearie me - always someone else's fault - stop whining and sort out the turgid way you set your team out every week - clueless

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    Really dull style of play, marginal reffing decisions and debatable team selections all conspire to make this Hibs team painful to watch. The majority of that is down to the manager.

    It's really grim to watch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Really dull style of play, marginal reffing decisions and debatable team selections all conspire to make this Hibs team painful to watch. The majority of that is down to the manager.

    It's really grim to watch.


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    It's hard to escape the suspicion that refs are instruments of vengeance for 210516, though clearly they are just generally abysmal to boot. I don't think we have the players to score goals against packed defences , and haven't for three years of more. However, I agree Lennon needs to quit with the excuses - tactics and substitutions are frustrating as feck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Really dull style of play, marginal reffing decisions and debatable team selections all conspire to make this Hibs team painful to watch. The majority of that is down to the manager.

    It's really grim to watch.


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    Is it a bit unrealistic on us bringing stubbs back for next season???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Spence View Post
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    Is it a bit unrealistic on us bringing stubbs back for next season???
    Lennon will be Hibs boss next season...and he will deserve to be after getting Hibs promoted by winning the league.
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    Let's not buy into this victims pish eh? If the players we had performed to their capacity that would have been 3 points with a goal difference boost.

    Lennon ain't a bad manager, but we don't have a a goal scoring attacking midfielder or a good second striker. That's why easy wins are draws nothing to do with conspiracy bollocks.

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    Lennon's not the problems, it's the team. Is it any coincidence this team will more than likely finish on the same points as we did last year? The squad and players are bang average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
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    Let's not buy into this victims pish eh? If the players we had performed to their capacity that would have been 3 points with a goal difference boost.

    Lennon ain't a bad manager, but we don't have a a goal scoring attacking midfielder or a good second striker. That's why easy wins are draws nothing to do with conspiracy bollocks.
    Spot on, and that is not the manager, that is George Craig and the boards job. Neil's job is to highlight the gaps and ask they be filled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Spence View Post
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    Is it a bit unrealistic on us bringing stubbs back for next season???
    I firmly believe Stubbs would have got Hibs promoted this season. More wins, more losses- and certainly less draws- but more interesting to watch, but I don't think I'm a fan of bringing him back. I'm even less a fan of having Lennon as manager next season though. Seriously doubt the players enjoy playing for him either, his brand of football is pish.

    No way-no way- does Efe just want to launch balls up to either Graham or Holt.

    I'm mystified by guys who go to watch Hibs each week justifying or finding other sources for the problems the team have. We should be skooshing this league with style instead we're drawing it out and removing even the smallest aspects of enjoyment it should offer.

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    I rate Bobby Madden as being one of a very few competent referees but he was $#@! today.

    The whole Hibs team was pretty poor in the second half which must have pleased the fud behind me who slagged off most of the team all of the time.

    I'm not a devotee of Lennon but I'm happy he points out the shabby treatment Hibs get. We've all been moaning that Hibs didn't shout about it, and now he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    I firmly believe Stubbs would have got Hibs promoted this season. More wins, more losses- and certainly less draws- but more interesting to watch, but I don't think I'm a fan of bringing him back. I'm even less a fan of having Lennon as manager next season though. Seriously doubt the players enjoy playing for him either, his brand of football is pish.

    No way-no way- does Efe just want to launch balls up to either Graham or Holt.

    I'm mystified by guys who go to watch Hibs each week justifying or finding other sources for the problems the team have. We should be skooshing this league with style instead we're drawing it out and removing even the smallest aspects of enjoyment it should offer.
    I agree bud and was just throwing a question out there to stir up a bit debate, for what it's worth I actually like lennon and want him to be a success etc but it's clear as day that this side won't cut it back in the premier but I also expect hibs to be busy in the summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    I firmly believe Stubbs would have got Hibs promoted this season. More wins, more losses- and certainly less draws- but more interesting to watch, but I don't think I'm a fan of bringing him back. I'm even less a fan of having Lennon as manager next season though. Seriously doubt the players enjoy playing for him either, his brand of football is pish.

    No way-no way- does Efe just want to launch balls up to either Graham or Holt.

    I'm mystified by guys who go to watch Hibs each week justifying or finding other sources for the problems the team have. We should be skooshing this league with style instead we're drawing it out and removing even the smallest aspects of enjoyment it should offer.
    Totally agree.

    I'm beginning to fear the harsh realities up against a decent sheep side.

    Hopefully the team raise their game.

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    Not great from Lennon again today at times, to be honest hope he will leave as soon as promotion secured with the caveat a Scottish Cup win buys him another year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    Totally agree.

    I'm beginning to fear the harsh realities up against a decent sheep side.

    Hopefully the team raise their game.
    I'm clinging to the fact that we tend to play better against better teams , to be honest i fear a bit of a doing

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    Lennon was asking if 3 rescinded red cards is a record for a season. I think he's got a point on that. I'm glad he's sticking up for us. Makes a change to managers who don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    Lennon's not the problems, it's the team. Is it any coincidence this team will more than likely finish on the same points as we did last year? The squad and players are bang average.
    We'll be very lucky to finish on 70 points this season. 3 wins out of the last 4 games seems almost impossible in this current form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple & Green View Post
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    Lennon was asking if 3 rescinded red cards is a record for a season. I think he's got a point on that. I'm glad he's sticking up for us. Makes a change to managers who don't.


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    My feelings too.

    This 'Hibs class' stuff is all very well, stiff upper lip and all that old boy etc.

    But we've been crying out for someone at Hibs to say 'haud on a fcukin minute' and now that we have that, it's a bit ironic that we turn on the guy.

    Keep it going Neil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple & Green View Post
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    Lennon was asking if 3 rescinded red cards is a record for a season. I think he's got a point on that. I'm glad he's sticking up for us. Makes a change to managers who don't.
    Good point, for all his faults he's very good on that kind of thing.
    so what do I know

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    My assessment of any manager in any league is based on one thing only..where his team finishes in the league as compared to the previous season. Lennon was hired to get Hibs promoted by winning the league. He is well on course to do that. Assuming this is achieved in the next week or so he will have done the job he was brought to Easter Road to do and that's all I ask. Next season it will all be about re-establishing the club as a competitive top flight SPFL club again after a 3 year absence. We have not been a competitive top flight club not only in the season we went down but in the 3 or 4 seasons leading up to that. It has been downhill ever since John Hughes achieved a top 4 spot in his last full season with the club. We cannot move forward as a club one iota whilst we are stuck in the Scottish Championship. When we go up I fully expect Hibs to make progress on a year by year basis.

    Lennon is an experienced manager who is used to top flight football and knows what is going to be required when we get there. I expect significant changes in the summer as we will need a better standard of player. I hope the board back him properly and he is given full leeway to bring in the players he wants.
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    Lenny is correct either its a penalty this week or wasn't last week. Decisions by refs have been brutal this season.
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    [QUOTE=Vini1875;1573790]Lenny is correct either its a penalty this week or wasn't last week. Decisions by refs have been brutal this season.[/QUOTE]

    As have the amount of serious long term injuries we have suffered throughout...I've never known a season like it.
    This must have had an effect on our results and overall consistency.
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    I dunno if I'm a hypocrite because I always dislike shouty, entitled, my-way-or-the-highway Alex Ferguson-type managers for other clubs. But I always feel I'd rather like one at Hibs!
    so what do I know

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    I'm a bit bemused at those folk on here suggesting that NL would be no great loss if he were to shuffle off at season's end.

    All I can say is thank $#@! there must be plenty quality managers for us to choose from
    Game's rigged, why bother?

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    I'm still 100% behind Neil. I don't think he's been fully allowed to put his stamp on the team. Transfer window in the summer was rushed as he was still working for the BBC and the January window was a farce. I think a good 6-7 players will be emptied and hopefully the same amount come in.

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    I am right behind Neil Lennon and his backroom staff, I dinnae enjoy the football we play very much, I get a red neck for him when he goes off on one post match, but I love the steel he brings to the club. If people mess with Hibs, he stands up for Hibs. As others have said, we have been crying out for this for donkeys years.

    My hope is that he shapes his own team next year, which may mean seeing guys that won us 'that' cup leave. We have one proven goalscorer, one left back, no real wingers and miss a proper play maker in midfield. We also have too much 'deadwood' in and around the squad, they have to be cut adrift.

    When Neil gets us promoted, he has done the job he was tasked with, if Neil retains the cup, he has done far more than we could have expected, getting the cup semi final again is more than most of us expected. If we're 10th this time next season, we can discuss giving him his jotters.

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    Personally I think NL is bang on with this one. And if he never had this case coming up in a few weeks would have liked him to really have tore into the shocking season we have had to endure from refs this season never mind previous ones. Lets be straight how many other clubs can display evidence over the years of poor decisions that have been as costly to the club as we have had. The amount of goals disallowed for us that should have stood added to the ones against us that clearly shouldn't have stood. TV has backed this up yet nothing is ever done about it, as a club it's been accepted and queitly forgotten about.

    But this season alone, 3 red cards rescinded is an absolute disgrace, you would be accepting it as a poor day at the office if it was over the course of a season for an entire league, but one club, come onto f**K. The penalties stand out as they are more often than not converted into a goal, but how many times this season in a game have we witnessed dodgy decisons from refs and linos breaking up attacking play. Then you add into that the dangerous wrecless tackles that get ignored game after game, it's becoming the same every week.

    it's hard enough against some of the teams we have played with parking the bus without all this incomeptance and blatant prejudice. Another week closer to getting out of this god forsaken league.

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    I am right behind Neil Lennon and his backroom staff, I dinnae enjoy the football we play very much, I get a red neck for him when he goes off on one post match, but I love the steel he brings to the club. If people mess with Hibs, he stands up for Hibs. As others have said, we have been crying out for this for donkeys years.

    My hope is that he shapes his own team next year, which may mean seeing guys that won us 'that' cup leave. We have one proven goalscorer, one left back, no real wingers and miss a proper play maker in midfield. We also have too much 'deadwood' in and around the squad, they have to be cut adrift.

    When Neil gets us promoted, he has done the job he was tasked with, if Neil retains the cup, he has done far more than we could have expected, getting the cup semi final again is more than most of us expected. If we're 10th this time next season, we can discuss giving him his jotters.

    Its not pretty but keep the faith people, the Aberdeen game will take care of itself.
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    It was interesting listening to Lennon after the game yesterday.

    He's again saying it's impossible to "play" on the pitch. He further says that yes he's got us playing a different style.

    He appears angry that we are not scoring enough by not converting the created chances. Appears they are all at fault except the "superstar" Cummings.

    My criticism of Lennon is that he knew all this when he arrived at the club. And he signed forwards that are not goalscorers.

    IF promoted next season we will need to be much much better and Lennon will seriously be tested if he is a good manager or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    It was interesting listening to Lennon after the game yesterday.

    He's again saying it's impossible to "play" on the pitch. He further says that yes he's got us playing a different style.

    He appears angry that we are not scoring enough by not converting the created chances. Appears they are all at fault except the "superstar" Cummings.

    My criticism of Lennon is that he knew all this when he arrived at the club. And he signed forwards that are not goalscorers.

    IF promoted next season we will need to be much much better and Lennon will seriously be tested if he is a good manager or not.
    Lennon is becoming Jonathon Watson - there's always an excuse - I'm not sure we can afford to 'test' him - I've seen nothing in team selection, player recruitment or style of play that suggests he's any better than some of those that went before - he wont get a war-chest next year and I doubt he has the ability to spot 'lower calibre' players or mould them into a cohesive playing unit. And please let's not bring the paranoia to Hibs - leave that to the Gunts and the Smellies. Recruitment for next year will be require to be full-backs who can hoof diagonally up to a very expensive new striker who can bring other players into the game - shades of Mixu? Might explain how Lennon can't get his midfield right? I'm not a fan and he does nothing, in my opinion, to justify his role as the 'highest paid manager' in Hibs history.

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    Lennon is becoming Jonathon Watson - there's always an excuse - I'm not sure we can afford to 'test' him - I've seen nothing in team selection, player recruitment or style of play that suggests he's any better than some of those that went before - he wont get a war-chest next year and I doubt he has the ability to spot 'lower calibre' players or mould them into a cohesive playing unit. And please let's not bring the paranoia to Hibs - leave that to the Gunts and the Smellies. Recruitment for next year will be require to be full-backs who can hoof diagonally up to a very expensive new striker who can bring other players into the game - shades of Mixu? Might explain how Lennon can't get his midfield right? I'm not a fan and he does nothing, in my opinion, to justify his role as the 'highest paid manager' in Hibs history.
    In that case YOU get the chance to tell us all who could do a better job given the league we're in and the available resources. I'm pretty sure Pep is still under contract
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    It was interesting listening to Lennon after the game yesterday.

    He's again saying it's impossible to "play" on the pitch. He further says that yes he's got us playing a different style.

    He appears angry that we are not scoring enough by not converting the created chances. Appears they are all at fault except the "superstar" Cummings.

    My criticism of Lennon is that he knew all this when he arrived at the club. And he signed forwards that are not goalscorers.

    IF promoted next season we will need to be much much better and Lennon will seriously be tested if he is a good manager or not.
    I think your criticism is potentially unfair.

    Many may claim to know the goings on in the Hibs inner sanctum but few actually do. I can't imagine Lennon trying to sign strikers that don't score goals but I can see why he'd want a big man to play with Cummings. What we know is who we've ended up with, what we don't know is who we wanted.

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    In that case YOU get the chance to tell us all who could do a better job given the league we're in and the available resources. I'm pretty sure Pep is still under contract
    Dear me - we should have looked at say Graeme Alexander, Owen Coyle, Malky Mackay, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock and Tommy Wright - only the latter would have been long term along with say Jack Ross....Lennon's focus was on the BBC gig - that should have been enough of a GTF....

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    Dear me - we should have looked at say Graeme Alexander, Owen Coyle, Malky Mackay, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock and Tommy Wright - only the latter would have been long term along with say Jack Ross....Lennon's focus was on the BBC gig - that should have been enough of a GTF....
    Neil will win us the league, he has got us into the Scottish Cup Semi Final, what is it you expect? Do you know who we spoke to?
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    Neil will win us the league, he has got us into the Scottish Cup Semi Final, what is it you expect? Do you know who we spoke to?
    See other thread......let's agree to disagree...there were other equally good candidates - none of us know who was spoken to...

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    See other thread......let's agree to disagree...there were other equally good candidates - none of us know who was spoken to...
    I still think you have nothing good to say about Hibs. But happy to agree to disagree about Neil Lennon.
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    The refs are not solely to blame. However there have been two penalties in 2 games and if either was a wrong decision then yes it would have cost us points so Neil is correct. Had we got a penalty as well then we may have been two goals in front. There are problems yes, but I would give him the chance of signings in the summer. He has had only one window where the players he targeted were not brought in. He has now had a full season to figure out the players he wants to keep next season and a year to work with coaches identifying targets and perhaps promoting other players. We are top of the league, no in style but a fair bit ahead so that with 4 games to play we can pretty much relax. We are in a Scottish cup semi final of which plenty other senior teams would like to be. Season tickets are selling well so lets cut the guy some slack and see what he does over the coming months. We have changed our manager enough times to suggest another change may lead to yet another disaster

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    This season has not been pretty, but we have almost achieved our primary goal, promotion. We have been seriously hampered with injuries and without the likes of Stokes, Henderson and Malonga. Those players alone were very valuable throughout the season. The players we brought in during the summer have not been effective. We're these Lennons targets or recruited by George Craig. He fully deserves a crack at next season and hopefully he is properly backed.

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    The way George Craig tells it, the manager is not responsible for identifying targets.

    Having said that, I would think Lennon will demand a substantial say or he will walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shrink View Post
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    The way George Craig tells it, the manager is not responsible for identifying targets.Having said that, I would think Lennon will demand a substantial say or he will walk.
    So the likes of Graham and Holt were identified by George?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Shrink View Post
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    The way George Craig tells it, the manager is not responsible for identifying targets.

    Having said that, I would think Lennon will demand a substantial say or he will walk.
    I think Holt was 100% Lennon?

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    Is that not the role of Graeme Mathie?

    Either way Leeann put in place a long term management structure - part of which was a head coach - are we advocating this is changed to suit the current head coach?

    If Mathie has control over recruitment, I would say his performance has bee sub-standard this year.

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    In that case YOU get the chance to tell us all who could do a better job given the league we're in and the available resources. I'm pretty sure Pep is still under contract
    I'm sure we could entice either the st Johnstone coach or maybe the Partick coach or maybe Alex Neil, who's unemployed right now. IF Hibs decide that Lennon isn't the man- or Lennon feels he can't handle the situation- there's options

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duns_Hibby View Post
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    Dear me - we should have looked at say Graeme Alexander, Owen Coyle, Malky Mackay, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock and Tommy Wright - only the latter would have been long term along with say Jack Ross....Lennon's focus was on the BBC gig - that should have been enough of a GTF....
    Tommy Wright I would like to see, I must confess.

    But outwith that, winning the league and returning us to Hampden again, and within the context of a horror injury run, and using his relative clout to bring in Commons and Efe when sorely needed - this for you represents grounds for emptying a manager?

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    He wanted a big rumbustious experienced striker in and we got Grant Holt who has played at a high level in the English Premiership and has scored goals at every other club he has played for. He wanted a proven goalscorer for the Scottish Championship and so signed Brian Graham who has hitherto been a proven goalscorer in the Scottish Championship. I think the point he was trying to make in his interview yesterday was that those two players and possibly others have not done the job they were brought to do. In other words they have failed to deliver and not fulfilled the expectations and demands of the manager during the season in terms of goals scored. They have scored plenty goals for their previous clubs but not for Hibs. I thought it was interesting what he said about maybe changing the style of play now. I thought this a bit of an odd thing to say this late on in the season.

    I also think that the set-up for recruitment is very much Lennon states the type of players he wants and sometimes the actual player he wants and the head of player recruitment Graeme Mathie goes out and gets them if he can and within the clubs budget. I have a feeling that George Craig is also very much involved in this in that as Head of Football Operations you would think he would have a big say in what players come and go. I wonder if Neil is happy with this set-up ? We certainly need a much more robust and effective recruitment campaign this summer.
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    I wonder if Neil is happy with this set-up ? We certainly need a much more robust and effective recruitment campaign this summer.
    He would have known the structure when he joined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurf View Post
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    He would have known the structure when he joined?
    I'm sure he did....perhaps he feels it hasn't quite been as successful he was hoping it would be when he took the job.
    I don't know, but I just get the feeling going by his interviews and body language he is very frustrated with something at the club....and not just our inability so far to secure the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    I'm sure we could entice either the st Johnstone coach or maybe the Partick coach or maybe Alex Neil, who's unemployed right now. IF Hibs decide that Lennon isn't the man- or Lennon feels he can't handle the situation- there's options
    Why would Tommy Wright want to leave St Johnstone to come to Hibs? Perhaps if he believes he has taken St Johnstone as far as he can or likes a challenge. Alex Neil's wage demand would be too high. Archibald might want to consolidate Partick's top six finish. I never saw Lennon as the Second Coming, unlike some others, but reckon he should be given one more season with his own team. Unfortunately, I am not convinced he will be given the necessary resources. It's never happened in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags View Post
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    Why would Tommy Wright want to leave St Johnstone to come to Hibs? Perhaps if he believes he has taken St Johnstone as far as he can or likes a challenge. Alex Neil's wage demand would be too high. Archibald might want to consolidate Partick's top six finish. I never saw Lennon as the Second Coming, unlike some others, but reckon he should be given one more season with his own team. Unfortunately, I am not convinced he will be given the necessary resources. It's never happened in the past.
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