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    Cummings has done more than any other Hibs player in an attacking sense in ten minutes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Barone View Post
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    Regardless of the result here I've got serious reservations about Lennon..I couldn't care if he went tomorrow he's sucked all the post Cup enjoyment out of watching Hibs for me.


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    Cummings has done more than any other Hibs player in an attacking sense in ten minutes.


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    Hibs chance to conversion ratio must be really poor.
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    Turgid pish. Another opportunity fumbled.


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    Usually I like Bartley but he was a liability today tripping over his own feet and useless at passing. Thank goodness Cummings can strike a ball. Oh well still top of league and on to next game. Much improvement needed



    Pass marks to McGregor and Gray (mostly for his defensive work) Oh and Laidlaw done very well. I think Cummings can link with Commons but will need to see if Lennon gives them a chance together. Graham was def off form. Whole game underwhelmed and only thankful we never lost

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    Holt is a complete huddy, offers feck all.

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    Get that ginger **** tae $#@!. Hasn't got a clue.

    That's the third game in a row that hibs have been $#@!e

    Raging at how $#@!e we are and it's no the players it's the ridiculous tactic of hoof ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggie View Post
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    Turgid pish. Another opportunity fumbled.


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    Starting Boyle & Graham then Holt ahead of Cummings confirms in my mind Lennon is a $#@!.

    Turgid $#@!e.

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    Lennon is an appalling manager.

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    That's Jason given him a big 2 fingers up. If he doesn't start him next week he should pack his bags and GTF


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    Frustrating that, then again cappielow is one of the hardest fixtures in this league at the moment, and with our midfield options decimated it was never going to be easy.

    The football is eye bleeding but re the criticism of Lennon, I'm not sure Stubbs would have done any better with the injuries we have, and may well have done worse.

    Cummings has come in and stepped up. Needs to start next week - he's earned it with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Barone View Post
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    Regardless of the result here I've got serious reservations about Lennon..I couldn't care if he went tomorrow he's sucked all the post Cup enjoyment out of watching Hibs for me.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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    While Lennon's style of football has been awful, he's improved us from last year. With a weaker squad that finished third last season, we are sitting atop the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Barone View Post
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    Regardless of the result here I've got serious reservations about Lennon..I couldn't care if he went tomorrow he's sucked all the post Cup enjoyment out of watching Hibs for me.


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    another few weeks of watching that will have folk reaching for the rusty nails, absolutely dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    While Lennon's style of football has been awful, he's improved us from last year. With a weaker squad that finished third last season, we are sitting atop the table.
    Improved us, really? Last season the new huns were smashing most sides in this division 3 or 4 nothing. There`s no newco this year and we`re struggling to keep 1st place with a team who got relegated and were in utter turmoil at the same time we were winning the Scottish Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
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    Frustrating that, then again cappielow is one of the hardest fixtures in this league at the moment, and with our midfield options decimated it was never going to be easy.

    The football is eye bleeding but re the criticism of Lennon, I'm not sure Stubbs would have done any better with the injuries we have, and may well have done worse.

    Cummings has come in and stepped up. Needs to start next week - he's earned it with that.
    I agree with all the points you make.

    i wasn't expecting anything different tonight to be honest, hard place to go without key players. I was disappointed all the same, some of our football was terrible and the inability at times to pass or even control the ball is just plain infuriating.

    I know Lennon polarises opinion however calling for his head just now is mental for a number of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    While Lennon's style of football has been awful, he's improved us from last year. With a weaker squad that finished third last season, we are sitting atop the table.
    I understand the frustration behind the criticism but this is indeed the bottom line. We've also been playing pish hoof ball over the last three games where we never had a midfield. My player of the season to date is Fyvie, and being without him, Super, Dylan and Keats at the same time is desperate - and so is the resulting football as a spectacle.

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    The stats are staring Lennon in the face which are that Cummings gives you 20 odd goals in this league every season so fair enough do the "I'm the Big man your dropped for indiscipline" routine but you also then be the "Big man" and very quickly move on.

    Continually selecting Holt, Graham and Boyle ahead of Cummings is no longer a sensible option and nor is signing your old pals. Holt has failed. KC might come good but has a very long way to go and please dinnae sign Sammy.

    The most worrying thing is the lack of team spirit and structure as Hibs are a team of individuals some of whom are living off past reputations.

    5 at the back actually does work defensively as we don't concede much. However to win this league we have to start wining games and we need extra midfield bodies hence sacrificing Fontaine, playing Cummings and getting any sort of midfield balance should be Lennon's new year resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTortolano View Post
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    While Lennon's style of football has been awful, he's improved us from last year. With a weaker squad that finished third last season, we are sitting atop the table.
    If I were to be pedantic .....we are in much the same position as we were at this stage last year: joint top, but with positions reversed thanks to goal difference. We're 6 point worse off this season, though, with the same number of games played (17). We're +1 on goal difference over last year. Don't know where to look for the detailed stats, so I don't know how that breaks down in terms of for and against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
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    Frustrating that, then again cappielow is one of the hardest fixtures in this league at the moment, and with our midfield options decimated it was never going to be easy.

    The football is eye bleeding but re the criticism of Lennon, I'm not sure Stubbs would have done any better with the injuries we have, and may well have done worse.

    Cummings has come in and stepped up. Needs to start next week - he's earned it with that.
    It should be expected that we are going to toil against the crappy clogger teams. Particularly with our injuries. Silky fitba' was never on the cards. Not to worry , still top of the league. GGTTH.
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    Improved us, really? Last season the new huns were smashing most sides in this division 3 or 4 nothing. There`s no newco this year and we`re struggling to keep 1st place with a team who got relegated and were in utter turmoil at the same time we were winning the Scottish Cup.
    He's improved our league position with a weaker squad than we had last year. A team that finished third behind Rangers and Falkirk.

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    He's improved our league position with a weaker squad than we had last year. A team that finished third behind Rangers and Falkirk.
    The way we play at the moment i dont expect us to stay where we are. It is turgid and dire. His selections are questionable and his tactics are $#@!. I`ll agree to disagree on this one.
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    Starting to have my concerns with him as well in my eyes we need another forward in Jan to play along side Cummings

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    Can't understand how anyone can defend the gash football we're playing at the moment... when I was at the United game I was actually getting pissed off at how good the support was despite Hibs playing $#@!e, when they were out singing United even when losing I felt the players didn't deserve it at all.

    They were a 45th minute goal away from being booed off the park last week cause of $#@!e football.

    While morton tonight played football, we played hoofball for the third game in a row.

    If United had won tonight we'd be sitting 2 points behind and I honestly couldn't see us catching them up if these pathetic excuse of tactics are kept up

    This is gonna drive the support away again at a time we should be gaining more...

    I'm genuinely really worried at how bad we are playing

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    The balance of the squad isn't quite right as we have too many players who are extremely limited creatively.

    Morton are a tight compact hard working side, but we should have had enough to unlock them. Too often the wrong players were in possession in the final third and frankly it's the equivalent of pavement dancing.


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    I see Lennon gaining promotion and being emptied next January. Think he will struggle in the SPL and we will be bottom three.

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    A poor result today, but people need to remember we have our whole midfield out injured. Any team would struggle without a core of their main players. We need to make sure we see this period through and then strengthen in January.
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    I'm not sure we have a weaker squad this season, most are a year older and have that experience behind them. Yeah we lost a couple of good players but this lot should be doing better.

    I agree that Stubbs would have had us in a better position in the first division than Lennon but we're still in the second and we're top and that's difficult to argue with. I don't care if its on GD.

    Morton apparently haven't lost a game at home since March, they've got their home style sorted, and if you think about that a draw is decent. Although it would have been nice to break their duck.

    Despite a horrendous run of injuries we're top.

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    Minus our best and most creative midfielders we were always going to struggle and that is what is happening. Our football standards have deteriorated coinciding with some of our better players being out long term injured. Lennon is trying to compensate for their absence and resorting to route one direct football which is not easy on the eye but is probably his only option just now. What I cannot understand is why Jason Cummings is being left out of the starting line-up again ?...that is the one thing that really baffles me. I think the manager was right to drop him initially as he wasn't playing well enough, but he needs to be back in and starting matches now as we need goals and he is still our best goal-getter. I'm afraid we are going to have to go through more of this in the weeks ahead until we get our key players back and hopefully manage to bring in a few in January. This season...our third in this brutal league... is turning out to be the grind it was always likely to be IMO. I still believe Hibs have a stronger squad than Dundee United and that will ultimately be the deciding factor in Hibs winning the championship. An awful long way to go though.
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    Mind boggling springs to mind, Jase done more than Holt yet Holt gets the nod over him, it's decisions like that will cost us. NL needs to grow a pair and admit he got it wrong and stop playing Holt ahead of a 20 goal scorer in Jase. I have heard we are making two major signings in January, I wouldn't be looking at Samaras is the answer, certainly both Hendo and Christie will offer much improvement. NL get Malonga back or $#@! the Arabs and bring in Cifi.
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    Mind boggling springs to mind, Jase done more than Holt yet Holt gets the nod over him, it's decisions like that will cost us. NL needs to grow a pair and admit he got it wrong and stop playing Holt ahead of a 20 goal scorer in Jase. I have heard we are making two major signings in January, I wouldn't be looking at Samaras is the answer, certainly both Hendo and Christie will offer much improvement. NL get Malonga back or $#@! the Arabs and bring in Cifi.
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    He's improved our league position with a weaker squad than we had last year. A team that finished third behind Rangers and Falkirk.
    This time last year we were joint top, in a tougher league, with more points and not playing Butcheresque football.

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    This time last year we were joint top, in a tougher league, with more points and not playing Butcheresque football.
    We were in exactly the same situation as Dundee United are in this season...joint top with the strong favourites for the Title. After New Year the favourites managed to pull away and win the league as expected. I don't think Hibs will pull away to the same extent after this New Year but over the course of the next few months...as we get our more creative and better players back and strengthen in January...I expect Hibs to ultimately prevail just as the Rangers did last season. When we lost McGinn, Fyvie, McGeogh, Marciano and Keatings all to long term injury we were always going to be significantly worse as a team. A few weeks ago Hibs turned in a very good performance against Queen of the South wining 4-0 with all of the now absent players playing a key part. Without them we look worse. I cannot understand why this is such a surprise to so many people. A team is only as good as the players it can field. We are going to have to grind our way through these next few fixtures, hopefully keeping our noses in front, then when our better players come back and hopefully we can get a couple more additions in to the squad, we will start to play much better. It's not ideal, and we have been desperately unlucky at a crucial time of the season to have accumulated so many long term injuries in one area of the team. However we have to work hard and try to get the results we need.

    It's worth remembering that the Hibs squad that Stubbs had last season managed to finish third in the league behind Falkirk for Gods sake. This season we have hardly ever been off the top spot. It's a brutal league with some very physical teams in it. It's hard to get out of. We just have to ensure that we do get out of it by whatever means are necessary.
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    We were in exactly the same situation as Dundee United are in this season...joint top with the strong favourites for the Title. After New Year the favourites managed to pull away and win the league as expected. I don't think Hibs will pull away to the same extent after this New Year but over the course of the next few months...as we get out more creative and better players back and strengthen in January...I expect Hibs to ultimately prevail just as the Rangers did last season. When we lost McGinn, Fyvie, McGeogh, Marciano and Keatings all to long term injury we were always going to be significantly worse as a team. A few weeks ago Hibs turned in a very good performance against Queen of the South wining 4-0 with all of the now absent players playing a key part. Without them we look worse. I cannot understand why this is such a surprise to so many people. A team is only as good as the players it can field. We are going to have to grind our way through these next few fixtures, hopefully keeping our noses in front, then when our better players come back and hopefully we can get a couple more additions in to the squad, we will start to play much better. It's not ideal, and we have been desperately unlucky at a crucial time of the season to have accumulated so many long term injuries in one area of the team. However we have to work hard and try to get the results we need.

    It's worth remembering that the Hibs squad that Stubbs had last season managed to finish third in the league behind Falkirk for Gods sake. This season we have hardly ever been off the top spot. It's a brutal league with some very physical teams in it. It's hard to get out of. We just have to ensure that we do get out of it by whatever means are necessary.
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    We were in exactly the same situation as Dundee United are in this season...joint top with the strong favourites for the Title. After New Year the favourites managed to pull away and win the league as expected. I don't think Hibs will pull away to the same extent after this New Year but over the course of the next few months...as we get out more creative and better players back and strengthen in January...I expect Hibs to ultimately prevail just as the Rangers did last season. When we lost McGinn, Fyvie, McGeogh, Marciano and Keatings all to long term injury we were always going to be significantly worse as a team. A few weeks ago Hibs turned in a very good performance against Queen of the South wining 4-0 with all of the now absent players playing a key part. Without them we look worse. I cannot understand why this is such a surprise to so many people. A team is only as good as the players it can field. We are going to have to grind our way through these next few fixtures, hopefully keeping our noses in front, then when our better players come back and hopefully we can get a couple more additions in to the squad, we will start to play much better. It's not ideal, and we have been desperately unlucky at a crucial time of the season to have accumulated so many long term injuries in one area of the team. However we have to work hard and try to get the results we need.It's worth remembering that the Hibs squad that Stubbs had last season managed to finish third in the league behind Falkirk for Gods sake. This season we have hardly ever been off the top spot. It's a brutal league with some very physical teams in it. It's hard to get out of. We just have to ensure that we do get out of it by whatever means are necessary.
    Agree 100% as usual GM. People need to calm down no need to hit the panic button just yet.

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    We were in exactly the same situation as Dundee United are in this season...joint top with the strong favourites for the Title. After New Year the favourites managed to pull away and win the league as expected. I don't think Hibs will pull away to the same extent after this New Year but over the course of the next few months...as we get our more creative and better players back and strengthen in January...I expect Hibs to ultimately prevail just as the Rangers did last season. When we lost McGinn, Fyvie, McGeogh, Marciano and Keatings all to long term injury we were always going to be significantly worse as a team. A few weeks ago Hibs turned in a very good performance against Queen of the South wining 4-0 with all of the now absent players playing a key part. Without them we look worse. I cannot understand why this is such a surprise to so many people. A team is only as good as the players it can field. We are going to have to grind our way through these next few fixtures, hopefully keeping our noses in front, then when our better players come back and hopefully we can get a couple more additions in to the squad, we will start to play much better. It's not ideal, and we have been desperately unlucky at a crucial time of the season to have accumulated so many long term injuries in one area of the team. However we have to work hard and try to get the results we need.

    It's worth remembering that the Hibs squad that Stubbs had last season managed to finish third in the league behind Falkirk for Gods sake. This season we have hardly ever been off the top spot. It's a brutal league with some very physical teams in it. It's hard to get out of. We just have to ensure that we do get out of it by whatever means are necessary.
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    Agree 100% as usual GM. People need to calm down no need to hit the panic button just yet.
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    Agree 100% as usual GM. People need to calm down no need to hit the panic button just yet.
    I don't see people hitting the panic button tbh, people are just, rightly IMO, expressing their frustration at a stuttering, inconsistant start and a style of football that is as ineffective as it is ugly most of the time. There is an inflexibility in Lennon's management and his tactics are easily countered, we don't seem to react to that and bang away with the aimless long ball rubbish. If we were good at it I could see the point but we're hopeless.

    People aren't enjoying watching Hibs under Lennon, they weren't before the injuries either by the way. I bet the Board are having a few sleepless nights as they get ready to hand over a fair chunk of cash to cover the inadequacies of a very poor pre season window. We signed two strikers in the Summer...it's looking like we'll need to sign another this window as I wouldn't trust Holt or Graham over a season. God help us if Cummings picks up an injury, it doesn't bare thinking about.

    That isn't panic. That's the realities..poor pre season planning, a game plan that is as negative as anything I can remember, and the over reliance on a young striker Lennon seems to think we can do without playing to carry our season.


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    I don't see people hitting the panic button tbh, people are just, rightly IMO, expressing their frustration at a stuttering, inconsistant start and a style of football that is as ineffective as it is ugly most of the time. There is an inflexibility in Lennon's management and his tactics are easily countered, we don't seem to react to that and bang away with the aimless long ball rubbish. If we were good at it I could see the point but we're hopeless.

    People aren't enjoying watching Hibs under Lennon, they weren't before the injuries either by the way. I bet the Board are having a few sleepless nights as they get ready to hand over a fair chunk of cash to cover the inadequacies of a very poor pre season window. We signed two strikers in the Summer...it's looking like we'll need to sign another this window as I wouldn't trust Holt or Graham over a season. God help us if Cummings picks up an injury, it doesn't bare thinking about.

    That isn't panic. That's the realities..poor pre season planning, a game plan that is as negative as anything I can remember, and the over reliance on a young striker Lennon seems to think we can do without playing to carry our season.


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    We've scored he most amount of goals in this league, conceded the fewest, and won the most amount of games. We are also top of the league we are trying to get out of and have been for the majority of this season. I would suggest by those facts that the manager has got something right. He has made mistakes like every manager does, but his job is to win Hibs a Championship..something he is used to achieving with league favourites as was shown by his years at Celtic. There are still 4 months left of this season and as long as Hibs are top of the league come April that will do for me. Getting out of this league is much harder the longer you are in it. Finances become more diminished as the income becomes less and less, and this means it becomes harder and harder to attract quality players who are willing to play in this league. I think Lennon thought..correctly in my opinion..that the core of the squad from last season with a few additions was more than sufficient to get the job done this season. We lost the loanees Henderson and Stokes and there was no way we would be able to replace those two with similar quality given our situation. He added a proven goalscorer in this league (Graham) to the squad, persuaded the prolific Cummings to stay when his heart was (understandably given his goalscoring record) set on leaving, took on an experienced striker with English Premier league games behind him (Holt), and a decent Scottish playmaker on loan (Shinnie)...as well as an international goalkeeper in Marciano. We tried to get the impressive Gunnarsson to stay but for understandable reasons he declined. For a club entering it's third consecutive season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football I would say that was a decent set of signings given the circumstances we were in. What has caused so many problems recently has been our injury crisis in midfield...and it will continue to cause us problems. It is the reason that we have been forced to call in Kris Commons on an emergency loan deal. We just have to ensure that we hold our nerve, work hard as a team, and get ourselves the results we need to keep our noses in front.

    I don't like the way Hibs are playing just now either..but I can understand to an extent why we have ended up like this. We need our better players back and we need a couple of additions in January (though that is going to be difficult). Cummings also needs to start games. He deserved to be dropped initially, and IMO Lennon made the right decision then as Boyle started to play well through the middle and we started to get more goals from around the team rather than constantly relying on Jason. However we need him back in now as teams fear Jason Cummings more than any other player in our team with the possible exception of John McGinn.
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    We've scored he most amount of goals in this league, conceded the fewest, and won the most amount of games. We are also top of the league we are trying to get out of and have been for the majority of this season. I would suggest by those facts that the manager has got something right. He has made mistakes like every manager does, but his job is to win Hibs a Championship..something he is used to achieving with league favourites as was shown by his years at Celtic. There are still 4 months left of this season and as long as Hibs are top of the league come April that will do for me. Getting out of this league is much harder the longer you are in it. Finances become more diminished as the income becomes less and less, and this means it becomes harder and harder to attract quality players who are willing to play in this league. I think Lennon thought..correctly in my opinion..that the core of the squad from last season with a few additions was more than sufficient to get the job done this season. We lost the loanees Henderson and Stokes and there was no way we would be able to replace those two with similar quality given our situation. He added a proven goalscorer in this league (Graham) to the squad, persuaded the prolific Cummings to stay when his heart was (understandably given his goalscoring record) set on leaving, took on an experienced striker with English Premier league games behind him (Holt), and a decent Scottish playmaker on loan (Shinnie)...as well as an international goalkeeper in Marciano. We tried to get the impressive Gunnarsson to stay but for understandable reasons he declined. For a club entering it's third consecutive season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football I would say that was a decent set of signings given the circumstances we are in. What has caused so many problems recently has been our injury crisis in midfield...and it will continue to cause us problems. It is the reason that we have been forced to call in Kris Commons on an emergency loan deal. We just have to ensure that we hold our nerve, work hard as a team, and get ourselves the results we need to keep our noses in front.

    I don't like the way Hibs are playing just now either..but I can understand to an extent why we have ended up like this. We need our better players back and we need a couple of additions in January (though that is going to be difficult). Cummings also needs to start games. He deserved to be dropped initially, and IMO Lennon made the right decision then as Boyle started to play well through the middle and we started to get more goals from around the team rather than constantly relying on Jason. However we need him back in now as teams fear Jason Cummings more than any other player in our team with the possible exception of John McGinn.
    Those stats are the least we should be expecting from a team of Hibs size in this division surely? The league is absolutely terrible..it might be hard to get out of but quality wise this season it is dire. The defensive record is decent but most teams we play have one up and nine plus the keeper behind the ball. We also play 6 defensive minded players. There's a context to that stat that Lennon doesn't seem to trust the players to be more attack minded and not concede goals. We've rattled a few in against the poorer sides but have struggled against the better ones in the division for the most part. It's the fear we play with that frustrates me most, it's the most basic, boring rubbish I've seen in a long time..I haven't felt as bored watching a Hibs playing style since Calderwood or Butcher.

    The other thing that worries me is how unhappy the players look..they look like they are enjoying it as much as I am. Lennon himself isn't exactly giving the impression he's loving the job either.

    We'll need to agree to disagree on Holt and Graham. Holt is a shadow of the player he was and is stealing a wage IMO and although Graham has the odd good game he is too inconsistent and is poor on the ground (if we had decent service from wide areas it would maybe be different but we don't). I still prefer him to Holt tho in all honesty. Hopefully Keatings is now fit and we can start him and Cummings next time out.


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    We've scored he most amount of goals in this league, conceded the fewest, and won the most amount of games. We are also top of the league we are trying to get out of and have been for the majority of this season. I would suggest by those facts that the manager has got something right. He has made mistakes like every manager does, but his job is to win Hibs a Championship..something he is used to achieving with league favourites as was shown by his years at Celtic. There are still 4 months left of this season and as long as Hibs are top of the league come April that will do for me. Getting out of this league is much harder the longer you are in it. Finances become more diminished as the income becomes less and less, and this means it becomes harder and harder to attract quality players who are willing to play in this league. I think Lennon thought..correctly in my opinion..that the core of the squad from last season with a few additions was more than sufficient to get the job done this season. We lost the loanees Henderson and Stokes and there was no way we would be able to replace those two with similar quality given our situation. He added a proven goalscorer in this league (Graham) to the squad, persuaded the prolific Cummings to stay when his heart was (understandably given his goalscoring record) set on leaving, took on an experienced striker with English Premier league games behind him (Holt), and a decent Scottish playmaker on loan (Shinnie)...as well as an international goalkeeper in Marciano. We tried to get the impressive Gunnarsson to stay but for understandable reasons he declined. For a club entering it's third consecutive season in the 2nd tier of Scottish football I would say that was a decent set of signings given the circumstances we were in. What has caused so many problems recently has been our injury crisis in midfield...and it will continue to cause us problems. It is the reason that we have been forced to call in Kris Commons on an emergency loan deal. We just have to ensure that we hold our nerve, work hard as a team, and get ourselves the results we need to keep our noses in front.

    I don't like the way Hibs are playing just now either..but I can understand to an extent why we have ended up like this. We need our better players back and we need a couple of additions in January (though that is going to be difficult). Cummings also needs to start games. He deserved to be dropped initially, and IMO Lennon made the right decision then as Boyle started to play well through the middle and we started to get more goals from around the team rather than constantly relying on Jason. However we need him back in now as teams fear Jason Cummings more than any other player in our team with the possible exception of John McGinn.
    Sorry had this debate with egb recently but it's just not true.

    We didn't get more goals throughout the team we got practically the same with Boyle scoring half what JC did. Boyle took JC's place in the St Mirren game. Well actually he took Keatings place but anyways... We won 2 nil with Boyle scoring. Good stuff. He then keeps him out the team for the next 6 games. We win 3 (4 nil QOS, 2 nil Dumbarton & 3 nil Ayr) Draw 2 (Falkirk & Morton) and lose 1 to Dundee Utd. Boyle scores 4 and the team overall score 13.

    Go to our first 6 games starting with JC and it's won 5 and draw 1, with the overall team scoring 12 with JC getting 7 of them. And I'm being kind to Boyle as I'm counting last nights game which Squirrel started but JC scored.

    Overall, peeps on both sides massage stats to suit agenda but the bottom line is JC Played 17 scored 9. Boyle Played 19 scored 5.

    One is an out and out striker ( a very good one at that) and one is a winger (who blows hot and cold like most wingers) Why the hell not play both correctly and to their strength's? Madness.

    JC had a couple of poor games and hadn't scored in 3 prior to his banishment. Big deal! That lad has carried us for 2 whole seasons...I thought "Fair enough ...mibbes a couple of games..a wee telling and then move on.."For him to be on the bench right up to near Xmas is mismanagement of the highest and dumbest order.

    I would say it's Lennon that needs to grow up and not Cummings. Get it sorted FFS!

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    Sorry had this debate with egb recently but it's just not true.

    We didn't get more goals throughout the team we got practically the same with Boyle scoring half what JC did. Boyle took JC's place in the St Mirren game. Well actually he took Keatings place but anyways... We won 2 nil with Boyle scoring. Good stuff. He then keeps him out the team for the next 6 games. We win 3 (4 nil QOS, 2 nil Dumbarton & 3 nil Ayr) Draw 2 (Falkirk & Morton) and lose 1 to Dundee Utd. Boyle scores 4 and the team overall score 13.

    Go to our first 6 games starting with JC and it's won 5 and draw 1, with the overall team scoring 12 with JC getting 7 of them. And I'm being kind to Boyle as I'm counting last nights game which Squirrel started but JC scored.

    Overall, peeps on both sides massage stats to suit agenda but the bottom line is JC Played 17 scored 9. Boyle Played 19 scored 5.

    One is an out and out striker ( a very good one at that) and one is a winger (who blows hot and cold like most wingers) Why the hell not play both correctly and to their strength's? Madness.

    JC had a couple of poor games and hadn't scored in 3 prior to his banishment. Big deal! That lad has carried us for 2 whole seasons...I thought "Fair enough ...mibbes a couple of games..a wee telling and then move on.."For him to be on the bench right up to near Xmas is mismanagement of the highest and dumbest order.

    I would say it's Lennon that needs to grow up and not Cummings. Get it sorted FFS!
    Well said. In fact when Lennon eventually put Cummings on yesterday it looked grudged. It looked personal. Lennon $#@!ed up in the summer being incapable of signing a partner for Cummings.

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    Well said. In fact when Lennon eventually put Cummings on yesterday it looked grudged. It looked personal. Lennon $#@!ed up in the summer being incapable of signing a partner for Cummings.
    The Cummings saga rumbles on.

    Can an anyone on here confirm exactly why Cummings was dropped? I have no idea so put trust in the manager. There are quite a few on here who profess to be ITK, it strange that nothing substantial has been offered regarding JC's absence? Alternatively I stay in a wee fishing village out of carrier pigeon range...

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    Wise heads and sages perpetuating the myth that Cummings 'deserved' to be dropped backed up by other with 'well said' confuses me.
    As do those who attempt to justify our current position with excuses of depleted squad.

    We are playing terrible football, real Butcher or Fenlon stuff. Which I'd grudgingly accept if we were leading the league by a distance to justify it. But we're joint top with a team who got relegated and lost most of their team and manager.

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