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    Parking Ticket - TPS

    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

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    Unless they are police or (agents of) the council, they've got nothing on you. Ignore and never interact with them. They'll soon go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TariqE View Post
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    Unless they are police or (agents of) the council, they've got nothing on you. Ignore and never interact with them. They'll soon go away.
    Yup. Don't engage with them in any way.
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    Whilst I agree with the others on this (ignore them), I noticed this article in my local paper about private parking company testing the water with small claims court cases:

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/loc...blitz-1.620964

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

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    I presume it was after you parked in a carpark or non designated parking area rather than on a street with designated parking bays [run by the cooncil] Ross. If so ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

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    Had a few of these from different companies and I just ignore them. Never had a second letter.

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    Got yin last summer, had used the carpark of a Tesco in Perth. Ignored it and havenae heard anything

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    Unless it's from the police or a local authority, then this is not a "fine", it's an "invoice".

    This is covered by contract law. The contract is between the driver and the company. This company has written to the registered owner of the vehicle (you). The company have no right in law to require you to tell them who was driving.

    Ignore them.

    Or send them a letter stating "I was not the driver of the vehicle at the time and I cannot remember who was driving on the day in question". That is all you have to say to them.

    They also have no legal right to assail you with countless letters or threats of action but you may well receive some. Eventually though, they will give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabehibee View Post
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    Whilst I agree with the others on this (ignore them), I noticed this article in my local paper about private parking company testing the water with small claims court cases:

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/loc...blitz-1.620964
    Unless they can prove who was driving they can't take anyone to court.

    They can get the registered owners details from DVLA and contact them to find out who the driver was but if the registered owner doesn't tell them, and they are under no obligation to do so, then these companies are wasting their time sending out invoices.

    The contract to park in these places is with the driver of the vehicle not the owner. If they don't know who the driver is they have no one to chase for the invoice. ITS AN INVOICE NOT A LEGALLY ENFORCABLE FINE.

    These people in the article, if true, will be the silly buggers who replied to those demands to find out who the driver was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

    Help/advice please bouncers?
    I have had loads, don't pay ii Ross, just ignore the letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

    Help/advice please bouncers?
    Yes I started a thread a few years ago when I got a ticket by a private firm. Thanks to my fellow bouncers I took their advice and totally ignored their threatening letters and after five or six letters they gave up. Don't respond at all to their letters and they will go away. Just a bunch of $#@!ing gangsters

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    Quote Originally Posted by harpo View Post
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    Yes I started a thread a few years ago when I got a ticket by a private firm. Thanks to my fellow bouncers I took their advice and totally ignored their threatening letters and after five or six letters they gave up. Don't respond at all to their letters and they will go away. Just a bunch of $#@!ing gangsters
    I had a sense of Dj vu when I read the OP. Thanks for clearing that up and well done for keeping these leeches at bay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
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    I had a sense of Dj vu when I read the OP. Thanks for clearing that up and well done for keeping these leeches at bay
    Cheers Dub and thanks too fellow Bouncers for their advice

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    I got a ticket at the Aberdeen Exhibition Centre the other night where parking was free up until 21:30 hrs, then a 5 charge applies until midnight. The time on my ticket is 20:50 hrs and I have pointed this out to them - still awaiting reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Just got one through the door from TPS for parking in Livingston. 90 or 50 if paid within 14 days. Sure there was a thread on here before that these can be bumped as they cannot take you to court? Couldnt find it though.

    Help/advice please bouncers?
    Ignore them.

    My girlfriend got a "fine" (haw haw) from TPS I think after parking opposite Bubbles / Xcite for too long. She phones me up in tears after a particularly hard week saying "I dinnae ken whit tae dae". I told her to do nothing, say nothing and nothing would happen. Don't get me wrong, I was armed with umpteen forums and YouTube videos from Watchdog confirming that these "fines" were a pile of pish just in case she didn't believe me. As others on this thread have pointed out, only certain people can issue fines and neither TPS or those of their ilk have the legal standing to do so.

    Naturally you'll get a few letters from them. They'll increase their "fine" and then they'll send you solicitors letters which on investigation turn out to be another puddle of rancid pish because when you Google them, you find they're no solicitors at all, they are in fact very similar to what some of the banks and payday lenders were sending people recently in an effort to scare them into paying up.

    And then they send you a letter saying they'll reduce the fine by something like 25% if you pay up immediately and at that point, if you haven't already, you can pish yourself laughing because they played their trump card long ago but as an informed punter you saw their bluff and went about your carefree day.

    Maybe a year or so later after I started driving myself, I got one of these "fines" attached to my window in the Asda car park. I scrunched it up and put it in the bin when I got home just in case one of the cops were nearby and I got a legitimate fine for littering. I didn't hear another peep out of them. I don't shop in Asda any more but that's another story altogether.

    I absolutely detest these $#@!s with a passion for scaring money out of punters after buying your details off the DVLA to give their demands and their "fines" an air of authenticity. Spread the word, don't pay the $#@!ers.
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    I've had 5. Letters that is, not fines.
    Started at 100, rose to 160, got a "legal" letter last week that dropped it down to 80 as a final settlement .. I'm guessing that's about the end of the fiasco.

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    Need some more advice, third letter now received. 130 and debt collecting agency if not paid. I'm in the process of obtaining my first mortgage which has been approved. Could this jeopardise this? I don't want any black marks on my credit score.

    I've obviously not received any of these letters sent by non-recorded deliver... ;)

    Edit - company is TPS who are 'a member of the british parking association'

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    I'm going through the same thing Ross and the advice I've been given is to keep ignoring them. They need to be able to prove who was driving and also that they have incurred a loss due to you parking there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Need some more advice, third letter now received. 130 and debt collecting agency if not paid. I'm in the process of obtaining my first mortgage which has been approved. Could this jeopardise this? I don't want any black marks on my credit score.

    I've obviously not received any of these letters sent by non-recorded deliver... ;)

    Edit - company is TPS who are 'a member of the british parking association'
    Did you sign anything when you parked there? If not, you did NOT enter into a credit agreement when you parked, therefore there is no credit agreement that can be breached.

    Don't be fooled by things like the "British Parking Association". This is designed, like taking pictures of the car, to give their demands an air of authenticity and hoodwink old ladies and the uneducated into coughing up by giving them the heebie-jeebies.

    Stay strong mon ami, and they will disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Need some more advice, third letter now received. 130 and debt collecting agency if not paid. I'm in the process of obtaining my first mortgage which has been approved. Could this jeopardise this? I don't want any black marks on my credit score.

    I've obviously not received any of these letters sent by non-recorded deliver... ;)

    Edit - company is TPS who are 'a member of the british parking association'

    Why did you receive the original letter? What was it that you did/did not do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Need some more advice, third letter now received. 130 and debt collecting agency if not paid. I'm in the process of obtaining my first mortgage which has been approved. Could this jeopardise this? I don't want any black marks on my credit score.

    I've obviously not received any of these letters sent by non-recorded deliver... ;)

    Edit - company is TPS who are 'a member of the british parking association'
    Just ignore them as a member of the british no paying your stupid demands association. They will stop.

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    I'm going through the same thing Ross and the advice I've been given is to keep ignoring them. They need to be able to prove who was driving and also that they have incurred a loss due to you parking there.
    See above, dinnae pay.

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    Did you sign anything when you parked there? If not, you did NOT enter into a credit agreement when you parked, therefore there is no credit agreement that can be breached.

    Don't be fooled by things like the "British Parking Association". This is designed, like taking pictures of the car, to give their demands an air of authenticity and hoodwink old ladies and the uneducated into coughing up by giving them the heebie-jeebies.

    Stay strong mon ami, and they will disappear.

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    Exactly, the anonymous say dinnae pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Need some more advice, third letter now received. 130 and debt collecting agency if not paid. I'm in the process of obtaining my first mortgage which has been approved. Could this jeopardise this? I don't want any black marks on my credit score.

    I've obviously not received any of these letters sent by non-recorded deliver... ;)

    Edit - company is TPS who are 'a member of the british parking association'
    They can only try and take the driver to court [which they wont do anyway] and they cant force you to admit who the driver was. All the letters and threats are designed to ramp up the scare level Ross. As @1875 said - ignore them.
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    1.They can't do anything that would impact your credit record unless they obtain a judgement in their favour in a Sheriff Court and get a Sheriff's decree (the equivalent of a County Court Judgement in England/Wales).

    2. Debt Collection Agencies are not Bailiffs or officers of the Sheriff Court. They cant take your belongings.

    3.Debt Collection Agencies have NO EXTRA POWERS in law than the original "creditor" i.e they can't do any more than the company did themselves.

    4. Ignore any threats they make that contain mention of the "2012 Protection of Freedoms Act". This act DOES NOT apply in Scotland.

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    Spot on chaps! Reassurance means a lot in my situation re first mortgage. Cheers.

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    Further help required. I've now received a letter from a 'debt collector'. Should these also be ignored? I've never responded to anything yet.






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    Ignore.

    Just keep in mind their contract is with the driver.

    This has been sent to the registered owner who is not liable unless they have been informed it's one and the same person.

    As you haven't told them who was driving they don't know who their contract is with. The registered owner is not required to tell them who was driving.
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    The only time you, as the registered keeper of a vehicle, requires to divulge the name and address of a driver, is under section 172 of the Road Traffic Act. The caveat, even for this legislation, is that the driver of said vehicle has to have committed a 'criminal' offence, and it cannot be used to recover private parking charges as this comes under civil law.

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    I have been through this myself about 3yrs ago and started a thread here. And let me reassure you that all these letters and threats are complete pish. My credit has never been affected by ignoring their threats. So please carry on as normal and totally ignore their letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibeesbounceross View Post
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    Further help required. I've now received a letter from a 'debt collector'. Should these also be ignored? I've never responded to anything yet.
    I got one of those debt recovery letters as well, and completely ignored it like I did with everything else. Been at least a couple of months since I last heard from them.
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    It all sounds dramatic but this is a "form" letter and they are setting out to try to spook you.

    Per my post in December, remember that:

    A Debt Recovery Organisation has no more power in law than the original creditor. They can't send bailiffs or take your property or do anything that the original creditor could do without a court order.

    Similarly, they cannot put anything on your credit history without an order in their favour from a Sheriff's Court.

    The boxed section "liability for the charge" mentions the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This act is not enacted legislation in Scotland. The liability cannot be transferred to the vehicle under Scottish law as it currently stands. They know that and the fact it is even included suggests that this is a standard letter format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SussexAl View Post
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    It all sounds dramatic but this is a "form" letter and they are setting out to try to spook you.

    Per my post in December, remember that:

    A Debt Recovery Organisation has no more power in law than the original creditor. They can't send bailiffs or take your property or do anything that the original creditor could do without a court order.

    Similarly, they cannot put anything on your credit history without an order in their favour from a Sheriff's Court.

    The boxed section "liability for the charge" mentions the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This act is not enacted legislation in Scotland. The liability cannot be transferred to the vehicle under Scottish law as it currently stands. They know that and the fact it is even included suggests that this is a standard letter format.
    The letter even states that it applies to tickets issued in england and Wales so it does look like a generic letter.

    EDIT: I've had a quick gander at the act they rely on and I'm stumped as to where a civil offence fits in to the act as it seems to concentrate on the criminal side of things. Am I missing something in there

    EDIT EDIT: Found it. Its chapter 2 clause 56
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    So, I just got one of these things from Euro car parks. 16 minutes over time in a B&Q car park - still ignore?

    My name is on the van, could that make a difference. £40, for prompt payment, seems worth it just to save the hassle - even though it seems that I don't have to give them $#@! all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shades View Post
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    So, I just got one of these things from Euro car parks. 16 minutes over time in a B&Q car park - still ignore?

    My name is on the van, could that make a difference. £40, for prompt payment, seems worth it just to save the hassle - even though it seems that I don't have to give them $#@! all.
    The "contract" they have is with the driver of the van not the owner. The owner is under no obligation to tell them who the driver was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shades View Post
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    So, I just got one of these things from Euro car parks. 16 minutes over time in a B&Q car park - still ignore?

    My name is on the van, could that make a difference. £40, for prompt payment, seems worth it just to save the hassle - even though it seems that I don't have to give them $#@! all.
    Unless they use the'Bounce' then I'm sure they won't have scooby as to who 'Shades' is?

    Write to them & tell them 'Dub' was driving........

    He's famous.

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    Ignore! My ticket came to nothing and they went away after 8 letters.

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    Boy got a ticket this morning from Tesco via Highview parking for parking too long.
    Never seen this before in Dumfries.They say if it wasn't him driving he should pass it on tae the driver.Is this similar tae what you guys are discussing.In other words ignore letters.Thoughts appreciated. Right off tae kick his erse noo.
    Cheers. S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by south west hiby View Post
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    Boy got a ticket this morning from Tesco via Highview parking for parking too long.
    Never seen this before in Dumfries.They say if it wasn't him driving he should pass it on tae the driver.Is this similar tae what you guys are discussing.In other words ignore letters.Thoughts appreciated. Right off tae kick his erse noo.
    Cheers. S.
    Yup. This is exactly what we're discussing.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Yup. This is exactly what we're discussing.
    Thanks Jack

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    Got one of these quoting a supreme court ruling from Nov 2015 which ruled these charges to be fair. Does it make any difference to not paying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westside Green View Post
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    Got one of these quoting a supreme court ruling from Nov 2015 which ruled these charges to be fair. Does it make any difference to not paying?
    Is The Supreme Court relevant in Scotland? Court of Session inner/outer is our final one I think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westside Green View Post
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    Got one of these quoting a supreme court ruling from Nov 2015 which ruled these charges to be fair. Does it make any difference to not paying?
    I'd be ignoring that if I was you. The Supreme Court ruling in November 2015 was against someone who had appealed against an £85 parking charge. If you have no dealings with them and do not engage with them at all, its highly unlikely that they will take you to court. Plus this geezer was in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
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    Is The Supreme Court relevant in Scotland? Court of Session inner/outer is our final one I think?
    Certain rulings, I think.

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    I'd be ignoring that if I was you. The Supreme Court ruling in November 2015 was against someone who had appealed against an £85 parking charge. If you have no dealings with them and do not engage with them at all, its highly unlikely that they will take you to court. Plus this geezer was in England.
    I will be ignoring them, just hadn't noticed that paragraph on any other letters in the past and wondered if it made any difference.

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    Certain rulings, I think.

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    I will be ignoring them, just hadn't noticed that paragraph on any other letters in the past and wondered if it made any difference.
    It's an empty threat to get you to pay up.
    Like the UK Supreme Court haven't got better things to do.
    If you were parked in a 'free' car park where it gives a maximum time of stay and you have gone over the time limit, ignore it. It's non enforceable in Scotland.
    The jist of it is that if the space is free and you overstay, then the business (a supermarket usually) aren't losing out financially because if you weren't in the parking space then it would either be empty or occupied by another vehicle on a free basis. Either way the business are not losing out ergo you are owed them $#@! all.
    Game's rigged, why bother?

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    Just don't speak to the shysters and they will not know who to take action against.

    They can only take action against the driver of the vehicle at the time. They can only find out who owns the vehicle. The owner is under no obligation to speak to them. So they can't find out who the driver was. Stalemate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
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    It's an empty threat to get you to pay up.Like the UK Supreme Court haven't got better things to do.If you were parked in a 'free' car park where it gives a maximum time of stay and you have gone over the time limit, ignore it. It's non enforceable in Scotland. The jist of it is that if the space is free and you overstay, then the business (a supermarket usually) aren't losing out financially because if you weren't in the parking space then it would either be empty or occupied by another vehicle on a free basis. Either way the business are not losing out ergo you are owed them $#@! all.
    Interesting and useful, thanks for posting.Based on the above, how can they legally fine people?

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