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    Thread: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

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      Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      I know our fans used to sing songs such as "the Merry ploughboy" & many more but why and how did this end? and when? Just as i think its strange how thousands of supporters just suddenly stopped chanting these songs one day!

      Its just something i have always wondered! Im only young so dont really know anything about our supporters back then.

      I think its great that we dont sing such songs nowadays and have become more of a proud scottish team. I love our irish history & the irish culture but the majority of our support are proud scots? well most i know anyway! so what happened?

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      i'd say it stopped in around 84/85 (maybe a wee bit earlier) and was almost always sung when Scotlands Shame visited ER.

      I dont want to go on too much about this (as it will start another bitter fued) but some of the songs sung by Hibbies back in the late 70s/early 80s were consistent with what was happening with the troubles over the water and its quite hard to believe that we sung them looking back now. But we did. And i remember it very well. They were crazy days up in the old white mountain mingling with away fans and no segregation (bring them back !!!!)

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post

      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08 View Post
      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.
      wouldn't that just lower us to the Huns and SDB's level, and give them real cause to call us Mini-Tims/Diet-Tims?
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08 View Post
      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.
      Behave yourself laddie. Why the $#@! would we want to do that?
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08 View Post
      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.
      Or just rise above it and be the bigger men!

      We are from the capital city. We have bigger brains than these mutants we don't need to drop to their sad wee level.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Sir Tom Hart had it stopped. Can remember the hsc in perth gettin a memo frae the club about embarisin the club etc.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby View Post
      and give them real cause to call us Mini-Tims/Diet-Tims?
      that pisses me off when we get called that

      we were the first in green so therefore they are copying us!! despite them being a way way way bigger club now - simply because they kept the rebel songs ect going

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      that pisses me off when we get called that

      we were the first in green so therefore they are copying us!! despite them being a way way way bigger club now - simply because they kept the rebel songs ect going
      And the fact that they were in it for the money frae day one.
      Paid their players frae day one when it was an amatuer league.

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      Quote Originally Posted by capitals_finest View Post
      Or just rise above it and be the bigger men!

      We are from the capital city. We have bigger brains than these mutants we don't need to drop to their sad wee level.
      Well said that man!!

      It was telling watching last years Hibs vs Huns game at ER on Setanta. The Camera zoomed into the Hibby's to show normal decent folk chatting away , most of them as family groups. Zoom into the Orc's at the same time shows them chanting sectarial bile towards us, waving flags etc etc

      Our resident Bairns fan commented on this..

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      can anyone tell me what kickstarted some hearts fans to act like huns?

      they'v only started bringing hefty UJs to easter road in the last few year and i duno where it all started

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      can anyone tell me what kickstarted some hearts fans to act like huns?

      they'v only started bringing hefty UJs to easter road in the last few year and i duno where it all started
      They are practicing for when hunbrox is the only place they can go when the jams fold?:sɯɐʎ

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08


      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.
      Get a grip FFS. Sometimes I wonder about some of our supporters, I really do.


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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      can anyone tell me what kickstarted some hearts fans to act like huns?

      they'v only started bringing hefty UJs to easter road in the last few year and i duno where it all started
      no they've not, they've been at it for many a year.

      There are pics of greetin' faced Gunts at Dens in '86 when Sir Albert skelped thum, and you can clearly see their UJ's and RHU badges on their scrarfs

      I can remember them in the '70's tae

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      can anyone tell me what kickstarted some hearts fans to act like huns?

      they'v only started bringing hefty UJs to easter road in the last few year and i duno where it all started
      I can recall Hearts fans bringing UJ's to Easter Road before you were born. Don't think it's anything new at all. I've seen a number of fans of Scottish clubs bringing Union flags to games. Dundee and Airdrie to name a couple of specific examples. Whether this makes them Huns (in the sense of being Rangers fans or even having a soft spot for Rangers) is very debatable in my opinion.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby View Post
      =Didn't you know they won the War for us?
      didnt we have something to do with it too?

      there is a fresh batch of young hearts huns whatever you like call them, theyr like a small scale version of the blue order

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      didnt we have something to do with it too?
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      that pisses me off when we get called that

      we were the first in green so therefore they are copying us!! despite them being a way way way bigger club now - simply because they kept the rebel songs ect going
      Don't let it bother you! I just laugh and say we WERE the first in the green and would wave a Tri colour or Harp flag with pride!

      Quote Originally Posted by GalegoHibs View Post
      I can recall Hearts fans bringing UJ's to Easter Road before you were born. Don't think it's anything new at all. I've seen a number of fans of Scottish clubs bringing Union flags to games. Dundee and Airdrie to name a couple of specific examples. Whether this makes them Huns (in the sense of being Rangers fans or even having a soft spot for Rangers) is very debatable in my opinion.
      Why DO Hearts fans bring Union Jacks to games? Red white and blue is not their colours?
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by GalegoHibs View Post
      I can recall Hearts fans bringing UJ's to Easter Road before you were born. Don't think it's anything new at all. I've seen a number of fans of Scottish clubs bringing Union flags to games. Dundee and Airdrie to name a couple of specific examples. Whether this makes them Huns (in the sense of being Rangers fans or even having a soft spot for Rangers) is very debatable in my opinion.
      At the same time we kicked the rebs into touch , the likes of Falkirk , Motherwell , Dundee and Killie stopped singing the the loyalist tunes and waving UJs. There was definately a move away from that kind of shennanigans by a number of clubs mid 80s.

      Only the webbed feet brigade continued to think it was cool to act like Rangers .... Hertz , Airdrie .... and of course Irvine Meadow

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08 View Post
      Cheers mate, Quite a good read ,

      Cheers Steve, i also think they should maybe bring back 1 or 2 songs when the huns are in town.
      Just sing better songs a.k.a 500 miles, sunshine on leith, hibeesbounce and then at the end just take the piss by singing You are a weegie.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      In my view sectarianism ended in edinburgh football due to the CCS. this is not one of those starry eyed views of casuals as white knights by the way, I just think on this point this is the case.
      if not us, who? if not now, when?

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      In my view sectarianism ended in edinburgh football due to the CCS. this is not one of those starry eyed views of casuals as white knights by the way, I just think on this point this is the case.
      Why?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keepitgreen View Post
      Why?
      because they were the hooligan element, and they didn't go in for it at all. and because edinburgh gang culture became about hibs vs everyone else, not any alignments by religion, rival schools (hibs at catholic and non denom schools would be fighting all the non hibs rather than catholic school fighting non catholic school) or anything else.

      that said, i think their might have been a scrap at a game in around 85 between republican and non republican orientated people. i may have just imagined that though, but it's suddenly popped into my head. maybe someone on here can confirm or deny. it's not something i witnessed but i'm sure i remember hearing something about it.
      if not us, who? if not now, when?

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      why did the casuals use a union jack as there like symbol? cos its a different colour nobody is bothered, or maybe just cos its the casuals

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      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      why did the casuals use a union jack as there like symbol? cos its a different colour nobody is bothered, or maybe just cos its the casuals
      i believe the 'official answer' was to wind up both sets of OF fans, but also the uj was a kind of international hooligan flag, which i think was probably somewhere in the mix. people on here would know for sure probably.

      i'm surprised by the big deal made of it; it was common place in the 80s for celtic and hibs fans to fly green white and gold 'fenian jacks'.
      if not us, who? if not now, when?

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      i mind being at septic park and the tinkies were gathering round us when the casuals started whistling the sash $#@!ing class

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      Quote Originally Posted by GoodToBe View Post
      i mind being at septic park and the tinkies were gathering round us when the casuals started whistling the sash $#@!ing class
      i mind chanting at parkheid "if it wisny for the hibees youd be huns" that was a laugh

      but the sash is a bit extreme

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      No! Not according to them.
      ahh well, we always had james connolly
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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      In my view sectarianism ended in edinburgh football due to the CCS. this is not one of those starry eyed views of casuals as white knights by the way, I just think on this point this is the case.
      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      because they were the hooligan element, and they didn't go in for it at all. and because edinburgh gang culture became about hibs vs everyone else, not any alignments by religion, rival schools (hibs at catholic and non denom schools would be fighting all the non hibs rather than catholic school fighting non catholic school) or anything else.

      that said, i think their might have been a scrap at a game in around 85 between republican and non republican orientated people. i may have just imagined that though, but it's suddenly popped into my head. maybe someone on here can confirm or deny. it's not something i witnessed but i'm sure i remember hearing something about it.

      I reckon your miles wide off the mark wae that reasoning, M.

      From experience I remember a few guys who were right intae the "reb" side o' Hibs, members o' the Rising Phoenix, and a couple o' other reb bands, the James Connolly Society, CYMS, etc. They became "disallussioned" wae "the cause" when they had people like the Special Branch spying on them for IRA activities. They would be pulled at airports for questioning whilst going on marching trips to Ireland, then have follow-up visits tae the hoose and quizzed in front o' their families. When Thatcher came in she more or less gave them carte blanche to do as they pleased to deal with anyone connected to/supportive of Irish Republicanism, including football fans. This was around the late 70's - early 80's, and these guys became less frequent at Hibs games because of this, as would the influence they shared amongst their mates going to games. Much of it went underground, and became less apparent at Hibs games. I would imagine that this was much of the same ofany other football fans of other clubs. Obviously with the apparent exception of SDB's.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Thomson08 View Post
      I know our fans used to sing songs such as "the Merry ploughboy" & many more but why and how did this end? and when? Just as i think its strange how thousands of supporters just suddenly stopped chanting these songs one day!

      Its just something i have always wondered! Im only young so dont really know anything about our supporters back then.

      I think its great that we dont sing such songs nowadays and have become more of a proud scottish team. I love our irish history & the irish culture but the majority of our support are proud scots? well most i know anyway! so what happened?
      I started going regularly to matches in the 78/79 season and i can tell you for a fact there were ever only dozens singing those songs, not even hundreds.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby View Post
      They became "disallussioned" wae "the cause" when they had people like the Special Branch spying on them for IRA activities.
      so hibs fans became suspects of gettin right involved with the ira eg car bombs and what not??

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      Quote Originally Posted by russ dinse View Post
      I started going regularly to matches in the 78/79 season and i can tell you for a fact there were ever only dozens singing those songs, not even hundreds.
      correct. they would congrigate below the tv scaffolding. pretty much smeltic fans without the bus fare. you'll always get the odd clowns who will say it's to wind up the huns but they know they'll get more exposure against the hunz and mini-hunz. i wish they'd $#@! off.

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      [QUOTE=pm_eringobragh;1146870]i mind chanting at parkheid

      Thats class,we should be singing that next time the plastics come to ER

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      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      so hibs fans became suspects of gettin right involved with the ira eg car bombs and what not??
      it was standard practice at the time for the SB to be "interested" in anyone making frequent visits to Ireland during late 70's - early 80's.

      This was obviously enough to put guys off who were in it just for the "romanticised" Irishness of it. $#@! bein' dragged oot yer bed in the middle of the night just because ye liked tae sing some songs and wave a flag now and again. That, in my opinion, led to the decline in what we were seeing on the terraces at ER.
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby View Post
      From experience I remember a few guys who were right intae the "reb" side o' Hibs, members o' the Rising Phoenix, and a couple o' other reb bands, the James Connolly Society, CYMS, etc.
      http://www.wosba.org/go/the-republican-bands-march-on

      i found a bit about the rising pheonix there, they reckon labour banned the marches in edinburgh, but i recall one in edinburgh around 5 year ago, i never knew they called it a hibs walk also a bit in there about the special branch blackmailing a young band member
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      Quote Originally Posted by Canon Hannon View Post
      Why DO Hearts fans bring Union Jacks to games? Red white and blue is not their colours?
      You'd have to ask them but as has been pointed out in other posts on this thread they are not the only club in Scotland who don't play in those colours yet have had fans display Union Jacks.

      Quote Originally Posted by Brizo View Post
      At the same time we kicked the rebs into touch , the likes of Falkirk , Motherwell , Dundee and Killie stopped singing the the loyalist tunes and waving UJs. There was definately a move away from that kind of shennanigans by a number of clubs mid 80s.

      Only the webbed feet brigade continued to think it was cool to act like Rangers .... Hertz , Airdrie .... and of course Irvine Meadow
      I don't necessarily see it as shenanigans. I'm aware there is a big rile the opposition factor to it but I don't see why fans can wave the national flag of Scotland but not Britain (or indeed Ireland) if that is their wish. Incidentally I am not a unionist (anti-monarchy and quite receptive to Scottish independence although not fanatical about it).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Canon Hannon View Post
      Don't let it bother you! I just laugh and say we WERE the first in the green and would wave a Tri colour or Harp flag with pride!



      Why DO Hearts fans bring Union Jacks to games? Red white and blue is not their colours?


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      Quote Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby View Post
      I reckon your miles wide off the mark wae that reasoning, M.

      From experience I remember a few guys who were right intae the "reb" side o' Hibs, members o' the Rising Phoenix, and a couple o' other reb bands, the James Connolly Society, CYMS, etc. They became "disallussioned" wae "the cause" when they had people like the Special Branch spying on them for IRA activities. They would be pulled at airports for questioning whilst going on marching trips to Ireland, then have follow-up visits tae the hoose and quizzed in front o' their families. When Thatcher came in she more or less gave them carte blanche to do as they pleased to deal with anyone connected to/supportive of Irish Republicanism, including football fans. This was around the late 70's - early 80's, and these guys became less frequent at Hibs games because of this, as would the influence they shared amongst their mates going to games. Much of it went underground, and became less apparent at Hibs games. I would imagine that this was much of the same ofany other football fans of other clubs. Obviously with the apparent exception of SDB's.
      I'll bow to that experience from before my time.

      I standby the thing with inter school paggering though, and rebel songs were still going at ER right up till the casuals started is my best recollection. i appreciate what you're saying about the hard core, but surely the SB weren't actually huckling folk for singing songs at matches?

      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      http://www.wosba.org/go/the-republican-bands-march-on

      i found a bit about the rising of the pheonix there, they reckon labour banned the marches in edinburgh, but i recall one in edinburgh around 5 year ago, i never knew they called it a hibs walk also a bit in there about the special branch blackmailing a young band member
      i thought a hibs walk is a walk by the ancient order of hibernians.
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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      I'll bow to that experience from before my time.

      I standby the thing with inter school paggering though, and rebel songs were still going at ER right up till the casuals started is my best recollection. i appreciate what you're saying about the hard core, but surely the SB weren't actually huckling folk for singing songs at matches?

      No no, they weren't hucklin' them for that, they were interested in their involvement in RP, JCS, etc as they were looked upon as Irish Reb sympathisers and prone to raising funds, etc. They kept tabs on them when they were visiting Ireland, who they met with over there etc, And obvoiusly within their ranks they may find members of the IRA. As I said, a lot of these guys were in it for the romanticised version, and thought twice when they started getting some heavy $#@!.

      I would accept your reasoning on the school paggers stuff, although I had left a long time previous to that so wouldn't be aware of it.
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Notice nobody mentioning the banning of drink, probably because of the time that has passed.
      Was,nt unknown to see my elders at Easter Rd downing a bottle of whisky, EACH, during the game.
      By that point most of them thought they were Frank Sinatra.
      I,ll not even mention away games.
      You only sing when your pashed would,nt be far off the mark.
      The rugby internationals were notorious for it, drunk opera singers that is.

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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post

      that said, i think their might have been a scrap at a game in around 85 between republican and non republican orientated people. i may have just imagined that though, but it's suddenly popped into my head. maybe someone on here can confirm or deny. it's not something i witnessed but i'm sure i remember hearing something about it.
      Can't say I remember that? The CCS had members with all kinds of views, Catholics, Protestants, Athiests, Marxists, Fascists, those with Irish sympathies, those without and mostly those who didnae give a monkey's chuff.
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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      In my view sectarianism ended in edinburgh football due to the CCS. this is not one of those starry eyed views of casuals as white knights by the way, I just think on this point this is the case.
      you have a point. Looking back now, the songs did stop around 1983 when i remember the CCS formed (albeit it a very small group in 83) and they stood on the old East Terracing. The rebel songs died out around that time, possibly 1984.

      But we stil see Irish flags, being waved and i dont see any problem or issue with that. Its a national flag, as is the Saltire and i also have no problem with Huns and their UJ's. Doesnt offend me one bit.

      Good old days back in the naughty 80s !!

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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      i thought a hibs walk is a walk by the ancient order of hibernians.
      theyr all the same really, same songs, flags, people ect

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      Quote Originally Posted by pm_eringobragh View Post
      theyr all the same really, same songs, flags, people ect

      Not sure about that at all. The Ancient Order of Hibernians, as far as i know could not be further from the politics of James Connolly Society. Those who make no distinction, and would fire along to both marches and see it as one big "cause" really are outed as bandwagon jumpin flag waving bigots.
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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      My grandad has dementia, and he used to sing a song that goes "If you ever cross the sea to ireland" Never sang the rest, think he forgot, but would then sing it again.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      i remember well "Off to Dublin in the Green" was sung, and not the newer Hibs rendition.

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      Quote Originally Posted by Brizo View Post
      Only the webbed feet brigade continued to think it was cool to act like Rangers .... Hertz , Airdrie .... and of course Irvine Meadow

      Hearts fans do NOT have webbed feet.

      It looks like they have but in fact they have one big, huge toe at the end of each foot. Freaks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jg1875 View Post
      My grandad has dementia, and he used to sing a song that goes "If you ever cross the sea to ireland" Never sang the rest, think he forgot, but would then sing it again.
      The song grandad was singing was the first line of "Galway Bay".

      http://ingeb.org/songs/ifyouev.html

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      Re: Hibs & "Irish Rebel songs" Years Ago?

      cap greens should get a new version of merry ploughboy started, without the ira parts obv

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