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    Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Bit of a worry this. Certainly goes someway to explaining why so many young uns these days look like bloody girls though, and indeed the whole market for male $#@!ing grooming products.

    "Chemicals in plastics alter the brains of baby boys, making them "more feminine", say US researchers.
    Males exposed to high doses in the womb went on to be less likely to play with boys' toys like cars or to join in rough and tumble games, they found.
    The University of Rochester team's latest work adds to concerns about the safety of phthalates, found in vinyl flooring and PVC shower curtains.
    The findings are reported in the International Journal of Andrology.
    Plastic furniture
    Phthalates have the ability to disrupt hormones, and have been banned in toys in the EU for some years.
    However, they are still widely used in many different household items, including plastic furniture and packaging.
    There are many different types and some mimic the female hormone oestrogen.

    This feminising capacity of phthalates makes them true 'gender benders'
    Elizabeth Salter-Green, director of CHEM Trust

    The same researchers have already shown that this can mean boys are born with genital abnormalities.
    Now they say certain phthalates also impact on the developing brain, by knocking out the action of the male hormone testosterone.
    Dr Shanna Swan and her team tested urine samples from mothers over midway through pregnancy for traces of phthalates.
    The women, who gave birth to 74 boys and 71 girls, were followed up when their children were aged four to seven and asked about the toys the youngsters played with and the games they enjoyed."

    BBC NEWS | Health | Plastic chemicals 'feminise boys'

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    That (normal) use of the word 'plastics' in the title threw me there for a moment!

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    PVC use is getting less and less (thankfully). We are replacing it in many applications by a polymer known as ASA (Acrylonitrile Styrene Acrylate copolymer), which has the "weathering" capabilties of PVC , but already has a flexural modulus according to ISO 178 below 3000 MPa, so it doesn't need plastised by the use of Pthalates.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stirlinghibee View Post
    PVC use is getting less and less (thankfully). We are replacing it in many applications by a polymer known as ASA (Acrylonitrile Styrene Acrylate copolymer), which has the "weathering" capabilties of PVC , but already has a flexural modulus according to ISO 178 below 3000 MPa, so it doesn't need plastised by the use of Phalates.
    Oh that's alright then S. You lot turn a couple of generations into spice boys, but then you pull a new polymer out of the hat and that makes it ok, eh?

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stirlinghibee View Post
    PVC use is getting less and less (thankfully). We are replacing it in many applications by a polymer known as ASA (Acrylonitrile Styrene Acrylate copolymer), which has the "weathering" capabilties of PVC , but already has a flexural modulus according to ISO 178 below 3000 MPa, so it doesn't need plastised by the use of Pthalates.

    Yeah, i noticed that myself. There seems to be a lot more latex around

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flasher View Post
    Yeah, i noticed that myself. There seems to be a lot more latex around

    Go on a diet then

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    A study of 140 kids isn't exactly tip top proof tbf. And if it's everywhere, how exactly can you have a test group to check that the results are abnormal? How many women did have high doses of it? Is it all their kids and none of the others? What are you calling a "high dose" to start with?

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
    Oh that's alright then S. You lot turn a couple of generations into spice boys, but then you pull a new polymer out of the hat and that makes it ok, eh?

    Yes



    His lot should heve done a lot more animal testing before letting pthalates loose on pregnant women and kids





    (For the record, I didn't mean pregnant kids )
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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briant View Post
    Go on a diet then

    I hear stabbing burns a lot of calories

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
    Oh that's alright then S. You lot turn a couple of generations into spice boys, but then you pull a new polymer out of the hat and that makes it ok, eh?
    The worrying thing is how much material we import from the far east, and the associated "powdered milk" type additives that are put in over there. Thankfully, using todays spectroscopy, you cant "hide" these products from the Lab's glare.

    REACH should thankfully start to stop this, as ALL the Chemicals manufactured and/or imported into the EU have to be declared.

    HSE - REACH: What is REACH?

    The EU is now putting out lists of materials that it does not want to be used within Europe (Substances of Very High Concern), and all manufacturers have to make sure that these are not included in any of our recipes.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briant View Post
    Yes



    His lot should heve done a lot more animal testing before letting pthalates loose on pregnant women and kids





    (For the record, I didn't mean pregnant kids )
    " Waldo Semon and the B.F. Goodrich Company developed a method in 1926 to plasticize PVC by blending it with various additives. The result was a more flexible and more easily processed material that soon achieved widespread commercial use."



    Was a twinkle in my great grandads eye at the time, old boy..

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stirlinghibee View Post
    " Waldo Semon and the B.F. Goodrich Company developed a method in 1926 to plasticize PVC by blending it with various additives. The result was a more flexible and more easily processed material that soon achieved widespread commercial use."


    Wasn't having a go at you, your colleagues or your profession.


    Trying (poorly it seems) to point out that in the past it was difficult to assess the full risk for any material, new or old.



    Asbestos was heavily used untill relatively recently and we now know how horribly fatal that is.


    I played with mercury at school.

    As you mention above, new technologies are at least making it possible to identify potentially harmful components in materials.

    Even so, the effects of any new compound are, by definition, unknown.

    Pthalates were banned under the Precautionary Principle of the EU. This means a possible danger existed and they considered it safer to err on the side of caution and ban them.

    Who knows what the next dangerous chemical will turn out to be
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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briant View Post
    Wasn't having a go at you, your colleagues or your profession.


    Trying (poorly it seems) to point out that in the past it was difficult to assess the full risk for any material, new or old.



    Asbestos was heavily used untill relatively recently and we now know how horribly fatal that is.


    I played with mercury at school.

    As you mention above, new technologies are at least making it possible to identify potentially harmful components in materials.

    Even so, the effects of any new compound are, by definition, unknown.

    Pthalates were banned under the Precautionary Principle of the EU. This means a possible danger existed and they considered it safer to err on the side of caution and ban them.

    Who knows what the next dangerous chemical will turn out to be
    That's very true, Brian.

    We only seem to find what's nasty when it is too late. Look at smoking tobacco etc.

    REACH was resisted by the Chemical Industry when it was first mooted, but I think it's one of the best things the EU have ever done.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flasher View Post
    I hear stabbing burns a lot of calories
    Not half as much as running
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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    I had a chemistry set when I was wee, it had an asbestos sheet in it! .. all flaky round the edges!..

    along with many chemicals that are now banned - even in school chemistry labs where kids are supervised.

    And we played with mercury at school too!
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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briant View Post
    Not half as much as running
    I'm quite happy with my figure.
    I'll stick to providing you with a light stabbing

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flasher View Post
    I'm quite happy with my figure.
    I'll stick to providing you with a light stabbing
    Weren't you recommending cutting the legs off hamsters not long ago?
    Seems to me you've graduated from violence to animals to violence to humans. That can happen you know.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
    Weren't you recommending cutting the legs off hamsters not long ago?
    Seems to me you've graduated from violence to animals to violence to humans. That can happen you know.

    But who cares - it's only Briant.



    Anyway, I only posted to register my disappointment that this thread wasn't about Aidan McGreedy.

    Nah that wasnt me. My evil siamese twin posted that while i was having a nap


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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
    But who cares - it's only Briant.
    Oi.


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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Yes they are.

    Look a the way their team capitulated on Sunday, after being 1 up. The radio said a few of them threw their scarves onto the track and some were shouting at the dugout.

    When I was young, these boys would have jumped over the railing, smacked Jock Stein in the gub and then run around the track waving their scarves and tricolours while singing IRA songs.

    So, yes. The plastics are turning boys into little cissies.

    Up jumped King Paddy and popped in a goal..... and Tynecastle erupted in Green, White and Gold.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briant View Post
    Oi.


    Watch it you


    I'll set my dog on you.

    And he's got previous,

    YouTube- Carlen's Dog Humping my leg
    That's disgusting.

    You're enjoying that far too much.



    And another thing............... get your hair cut. You look like a girl.

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    That's disgusting.

    You're enjoying that far too much.



    And another thing............... get your hair cut. You look like a girl.
    I used to sit right behind the Hibs dugout at ER, so very close to the pitch.

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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    No, it definitely wasn't me.
    I'm in the FF.


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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
    No, it definitely wasn't me.
    I'm in the FF.

    That explains why you just don't get it
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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    I certainly don't need it as much as I used to.


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    Re: Are plastics turning boys into little sissies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
    I certainly don't need it as much as I used to.

    I know what you mean


    I still like to smile and pretend that I get it now and again though


    Even if it usually passes me by
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