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      Would you contribute towards Fan Ownership if it meant Petrie and Farmer were gone.

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      I would even if it meant extra on my season ticket.






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      I absolutely would - no question.

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      I don't know enough about it to vote. But I fear it is the way we will go.

      A big wealthy owner would be nice

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      I would if I had faith in the strategy proposed. I don't really get to the games so it would be a contribution for little tangible return but I'd do it.

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      No. After years of chucking money into the club I am now skint. I cant afford a season ticket and it is a case of Hibs game or eating. Many people might go "Aye that is a great idea, count me in". How long that misty eyed idea would last I don't know. Have a pop at me if you like but that is how I feel it will go. We need change there is no doubt about it, I don't think fan owned would work for us. For $#@! sake we cant agree on who is pish or not. God help whoever was prepared to take the Petrie role. Would you? $#@! that. I,m out......................
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lexo View Post
      No. After years of chucking money into the club I am now skint. I cant afford a season ticket and it is a case of Hibs game or eating. Many people might go "Aye that is a great idea, count me in". How long that misty eyed idea would last I don't know. Have a pop at me if you like but that is how I feel it will go. We need change there is no doubt about it, I don't think fan owned would work for us. For $#@! sake we cant agree on who is pish or not. God help whoever was prepared to take the Petrie role. Would you? $#@! that. I,m out......................
      That's kinda how I feel man. I pay enough (more than enough) for my season ticket and that money hasn't exactly been spent well has it?!

      I don't think fan ownership would work tbh but then I don't know the ins and outs of it.

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      I wouldn't want to however I would do if it meant getting rid of those 2.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kurt View Post
      I would if I had faith in the strategy proposed .
      same here
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      Quote Originally Posted by beefy View Post
      I wouldn't want to however I would do if it meant getting rid of those 2.
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      I think that was the point of the meetings, to guage whether fans would take on the club...scenario may depend on how much they wanted to sell their shares for as few people would invest if they held onto the shares. I probably would pay something monthly, but as I already give to charities on a monthly basis...ones that are a bit more needy than over paid footballers...it is unlikely would be more than £10-20 a month. Difficulty may come if most people were say over 50..would we be able to replace donators as others entered retirement stages, I say this as someone at the meeting last night pointed out the age range of those who wanted to be involved, and there wasn't many young people along

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      I would.

      As an aside, someone raised a point re fan involvement/partial ownership, he suggested that fans could target the 10% Petrie owns. I understand that this would have some difficulties and would still leave STF at the helm, however, certainly would interest me.

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      Yes

      The club belonging to the fans appeals to me, with people I can trust I would contribute.

      The corporate business way of running the club under Farmer and Petrie has failed

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      Would need 2 know more,but aye I would contribute.Come tae think of it u can have ma hoose,if Petrie does one.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lexo View Post
      No. After years of chucking money into the club I am now skint. I cant afford a season ticket and it is a case of Hibs game or eating. Many people might go "Aye that is a great idea, count me in". How long that misty eyed idea would last I don't know. Have a pop at me if you like but that is how I feel it will go. We need change there is no doubt about it, I don't think fan owned would work for us. For $#@! sake we cant agree on who is pish or not. God help whoever was prepared to take the Petrie role. Would you? $#@! that. I,m out......................
      I couldn't have put it better myself, all of it. I only go to games now when someone gives me a ticket because like you I have to make choices and eating and paying my bills comes before anything else.
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      Probably, it would all depend how much was being asked for? As Dub and Lexo have alluded to - there's more important things in life which come first financially.

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      Not sure.Already spend quite a few £ watching Hibs and there has to be a time when other things take priority.Eating out,stuff for kids,holidays and many other things can't be sacrificed for what is pretty much an enjoyable past time.

      Infact, no I wouldn't

      I didn't vote btw as the No option isn't what I want either.

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      Farmer should do the right thing and give the club to the support for nothing. He's made enough cash in land values to have made more than his money back and it's a legacy to the community.

      He really should leave before his legacy is $#@!ed for good. And that will be a very sad moment but it's went from being 100% fantastic legacy to 50/50 now.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kurt View Post
      I would if I had faith in the strategy proposed. I don't really get to the games so it would be a contribution for little tangible return but I'd do it.
      As would I.


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      Yes. I would give £20 per month. Which, as a student, is a healthy contribution.

      I don't think people should feel pressurised into giving loads; as others have articulated, we can't all afford to do that; indeed, some who ideally would contribute simply cannot.

      But I think a minimum contribution of, say, £5 per month would be reasonable.

      And, clearly, those who can afford that bit more, could contribute that bit more.

      It's all rather academic anyway, in my view, because, as articulated by Fritz and Zellviren on the SDS thread, the likelihood is that Pepsi n Shirley are hanging around until the former has his blazer. They'll probably sell the club shortly afterwards - with the bare minimum of due diligence - to the first 'reasonable' (a subjective word in this debate) offer they receive.

      And it would appear that they would rather sell the club to Anne Budge than anything which includes Paul Kane, Kenny McLean (junior) and Simon Pia amongst its representatives.

      Hope I'm wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paul Heyman Guy View Post
      100%.

      Farmer should do the right thing and give the club to the support for nothing. He's made enough cash in land values to have made more than his money back and it's a legacy to the community.

      He really should leave before his legacy is $#@!ed for good. And that will be a very sad moment but it's went from being 100% fantastic legacy to 50/50 now.
      There are tax implications for our current owners should they give the club away so that's not going to happen.

      I'm sure from the examples given last night the shares were held in trust. Supporters 'buy into' the trust and the trust becomes the lender/bank of last resort, giving or lending money to the club as needed - a bit like what STF does now with his soft loans.

      At Motherwell I think to buy into the trust it ranged from £300 to £25,000 a year. For that you get one voting share in the trust and then benefits depending on the amount paid.

      I think the accepted issue the Mothers had/have is they're to bloody comfortable. Sitting at the top end of the league for a good few years, not now admittedly, the 90 minute supporters, we'd all like to be, had no desire for anything to change.

      The other end of the contribution scale are the Pars and gunts were the support either stumped up or didn't have a club.

      In none of these examples do the fans individually actually own shares in the club, bar a few percent similar to what we have just now.

      As for the OP, aye to a tenner, £20 quid but an extra £300 in a oner each year for no tangible return, I doubt it.

      @JFTB and other admins.
      Would you like to consider a forum dedicated to all things change of/alternative ownership as it relates to Hibs?

      This isn't going to go away anytime soon and I think it would be good keeping it all together and for those who know about individual models to pitch up and discuss. Someone in the know, registered users only, type forum.

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      I was sitting thinking about this the other night and wondered maybe this is the way forward. Some players now are owned by several agencies or companies looking to make a good return on them when they get sold on. Maybe if we got a group called the Hibs 100 and say everyone put in say £100 a year. As a group we could decide what that money goes towards. That could maybe have been the difference last week when we were trying to bring Leigh home... we could have offered the soapies a fee plus a percentage of the wages with a view of buying him at the end of the loan deal. A bit like a PCP finance deal on a car. 50% now and 50% at the end. I am sure it's something the fans would find exciting and also feel part of Hibs...

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      "OUR" Club tell us $#@! all.

      So us showing our hands to them is a bit stupid really.

      Therefore, I respectfully state that if we were given assurances/guidance/goals etc. that met our ideology of our future, I would then state my intentions.

      Until then, my cards are firmly at my chest. I call.

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      No brainer this, Yes

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      The problems with the Motherwell scheme is that everyone is up for it at the start, but then apathy takes hold and people want to buy different things/pay bills, whatever. The one thing I would take from this is I would never want our club in the hands of something as fickle as football supporters. Maybe something based on the Swansea model where the fans own about 20% and their money goes for players. Hearts is a disaster waiting to happen. Raising a million might sound impressive but falls a good bit short when the average turnover in a premier league season will be about 6 or 7 million. If the teams on a bad run the DD's will be cancelled faster than it takes ant sh1t to hit the ground.
      Dunfermline's model can work for a small club on a very limited budget, so would not be suitable for us. The German way can never work here purely because of demographics. I want to get involved in some way, but thinking we can afford to run a multi million pound company looks way out of our league. Hopefully someone can come up with something to get us all involved, but I'm buggered if I know exactly what that could be.

      Oh, I didn't vote because a plain no wasn't right.

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      Yes, I would contribute. It would, however, be on the condition that the club was to be run by a committee composed of hard-headed business-minded types, who wouldn't fritter cash away for the sake of it.

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      I've always been against the fans owning 100% of the club. I would be more than willing to contribute to some sort of fund giving us some sort of stake. I was reading recently about the model Portsmouth have used where local business men have put up a large some of money and the fans own either 51% or a very large chunk

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      My worry if some sort of fan fund kicked off it would fall away as time went on, i believe the Motherwell fund seems to be a bit like this.

      Having been at one of the meetings the other week i would like to hear what idea LD has.

      As LD said at the meeting, if we hit any trouble who would be 'our bank of last resort'
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      Quote Originally Posted by offshorehibby View Post
      As LD said at the meeting, if we hit any trouble who would be 'our bank of last resort'
      i find that statement from LD a bit of a piss take

      where was our bank of last resort a week or 2 ago when we needed some decent signings ? he was posted missing as usual while we scraped the bottom of the barrel for a couple of kids on loan

      where was the bank of last resort last christmas when we needed a goalscorer ? he was posted missing while we scraped the barrel for a couple of kids on loan

      almost every other football club in scotland get by alot better than us and they have no 'bank of last resort'

      if hibs ever hit any trouble the bank of last resort is us the fans

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      Quote Originally Posted by EduardoHurtado View Post
      i find that statement from LD a bit of a piss take

      where was our bank of last resort a week or 2 ago when we needed some decent signings ? he was posted missing as usual while we scraped the bottom of the barrel for a couple of kids on loan

      where was the bank of last resort last christmas when we needed a goalscorer ? he was posted missing while we scraped the barrel for a couple of kids on loan

      almost every other football club in scotland get by alot better than us and they have no 'bank of last resort'

      if hibs ever hit any trouble the bank of last resort is us the fans
      From what I've heard, going back to even last January windae, our bank of last resort was available. The reasons around how or why it wasn't used lie elsewhere. I don't know exactly where.

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