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      Some of UKIP's 2015 Manifesto

      UKIP’s Head of Policy Unit Tim Aker discusses our election platform as we continue to build our 2015 manifesto. There will be more detail released at our September Conference in Doncaster, tickets can be purchased here.

      "We’re beyond left-right, authoritarian-libertarian—those arguments are for university common rooms. Our people want to know how we’re going to make their lives easier, simpler and how they can just get on and feel more comfortable. That’s it. It’s a blue-collar platform, but for people that want to aspire to achieve absolutely anything."

      “We want to take low earners out of income tax altogether. No tax on the minimum wage. We are for flatter, simpler and lower taxes.”

      We will also be making some cuts to deal with the deficit, “Foreign aid is an obvious target. We are looking to shrink the Department for Energy & Climate Change. There are elements of BIS [Business, Innovation and Skills] that we are looking into.”

      “There will be a Veterans Department to bring all of the different support organizations under one roof. Veterans’ care can be fully supported and we will be outlining at conference policies what the Veterans’ Department will be actively doing.”

      “We are firmly against the bedroom tax.”

      “New migrants to this country will not be eligible for any welfare benefits until they have been paying tax and national insurance for five years. There will be an offer for people who have paid into the pot and find themselves for a considerable amount of time unemployed—higher jobseekers’ allowance. We are prioritizing people who work and pay into the pot instead of people who have made a living out of having children so that they can get more benefits and a bigger house.”

      “A condition of entry to Britain will be to have health insurance that the NHS recognizes. Show your passport, show your medical insurance—simple. We’d be more like Australia, If you come here to do a job, that’s fantastic. But you must contribute more than you take out. You must show that you have been working in that profession for 12 of the last 24 months, that you can speak English and that you won’t need tax credits. We have a plan to increase the strength of the border force, which needs to become a government priority.”

      “There is a discussion going on about whether foreign governments have the right to buy up stakes in our national assets and national resources. There’s lots of concern that so much energy is controlled by foreign governments and without saying ‘we are not open for business’ we want to redress that balance… It’s an ongoing debate. You’ll see the conclusion of it in the manifesto.”

      “We have got two elections to change this country, we have won one of them.”

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      "Some of..."

      Care to post the rest?

      If you won`t. I`ll take pleasure in highlighting them for you, my friend.

      It`s really pretty $#@!ty stuff, TBH.

      Over to you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zitellis Heid View Post
      "Some of..."

      Care to post the rest?

      If you won`t. I`ll take pleasure in highlighting them for you, my friend.

      It`s really pretty $#@!ty stuff, TBH.

      Over to you.



      I think it is fair if you were to highlight the other stuff, because the stuff up there is pretty good vote winning stuff that takes on issues people are concerned about...but yes I am sure there is other stuff they wont highlight quite so easily, but no point in alluding to it if ya dont share it

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      Quote Originally Posted by Davy View Post
      I think it is fair if you were to highlight the other stuff, because the stuff up there is pretty good vote winning stuff that takes on issues people are concerned about...but yes I am sure there is other stuff they wont highlight quite so easily, but no point in alluding to it if ya dont share it
      I can't argue with any of that. Much of what was posted in the OP looks like common sense to me so if there are other items in their manifesto that arent, perhaps someone could post them up.
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      Too easy for some to just write off UKIP as a bunch of bigots and fruitjobs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zitellis Heid View Post
      "Some of..."

      Care to post the rest?

      If you won`t. I`ll take pleasure in highlighting them for you, my friend.

      It`s really pretty $#@!ty stuff, TBH.

      Over to you.
      Would love to post more ZH but its not out in full until the September conference , along with all other parties manifesto's for next year, why is it $#@!ty stuff ????? Why is it putting the people of this country first for a change is $#@!ty stuff ?????? Why is going down the road of securing our borders $#@!ty stuff ??? why is it that instead of handing millions to people around the world and giving it to your own first is $#@!ty , i look forward to your reasoning .

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      Looks good to me - let's hope iscotland soon produces a party with the ordinary scot similarly at heart. We will of course have the honeymoon experiment with archaic statism but that obviously can't last.

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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      Looks good to me - let's hope iscotland soon produces a party with the ordinary scot similarly at heart. We will of course have the honeymoon experiment with archaic statism but that obviously can't last.
      does it? really? cut foreign aid, reduce/abandon climate change policies (which are already woefully inadequate), no benefits for immigrants (including refugees?) for 5 years - these 3 alone are enough to make me thank the baby Jesus that UKIP are an non entity up here and pray to his ma that we get a Yes vote next month. wonder what the policies are on health, education and defence?

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      Quote Originally Posted by gun ainm View Post
      does it? really? cut foreign aid, reduce/abandon climate change policies (which are already woefully inadequate), no benefits for immigrants (including refugees?) for 5 years - these 3 alone are enough to make me thank the baby Jesus that UKIP are an non entity up here and pray to his ma that we get a Yes vote next month. wonder what the policies are on health, education and defence?
      Well the majority of British citizens are fed up seeing their hard earned going overseas while their own die needlessly here , Climate change , well i need go no further if you believe , and at least they have the balls to do something about the cesspit this country is becoming rather than the loony left who made the mess in the first place , and why should people that have not paid a penny into our welfare system be put first ?? they get housed before even our returning soldiers $#@!ing disgrace , your kind are the reason this countries on its knees

      And the people that thought UKIP were a non entity at the European election s soon got a wake up call , did they not , and hopefully yet again in 2015 and their policies on education ,health and defense cannot be any worse than you are happy to accept just now , i would reckon its an improvement on what we have at moment for the indigenous Brits.

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      Well the majority of British citizens are fed up seeing their hard earned going overseas while their own die needlessly here , Climate change , well i need go no further if you believe , and at least they have the balls to do something about the cesspit this country is becoming rather than the loony left who made the mess in the first place , and why should people that have not paid a penny into our welfare system be put first ?? they get housed before even our returning soldiers $#@!ing disgrace , your kind are the reason this countries on its knees

      And the people that thought UKIP were a non entity at the European election s soon got a wake up call , did they not , and hopefully yet again in 2015
      I have said already that a lot of your OP was common sense but I still fervently hope that by the time 2015 comes along it wont matter to us what UKIP do in England because we will be an independent country by then.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      I have said already that a lot of your OP was common sense but I still fervently hope that by the time 2015 comes along it wont matter to us what UKIP do in England because we will be an independent country by then.
      If and its a big if , it was a No vote , then most would rather have UKIP in power than the useless wet blouses we have at the moment then we maybe have common sense returned to politics., also a lot of people want an in/out vote on the EU , UKIP is giving that SNP are not

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      Would love to post more ZH but its not out in full until the September conference , along with all other parties manifesto's for next year, why is it $#@!ty stuff ????? Why is it putting the people of this country first for a change is $#@!ty stuff ?????? Why is going down the road of securing our borders $#@!ty stuff ??? why is it that instead of handing millions to people around the world and giving it to your own first is $#@!ty , i look forward to your reasoning .
      A bit too ripped tonight to address anything.

      Will tomorrow do?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zitellis Heid View Post
      A bit too ripped tonight to address anything.

      Will tomorrow do?
      No problem hope your having fun , speak tomorrow

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      If and its a big if , it was a No vote , then most would rather have UKIP in power than the useless wet blouses we have at the moment then we maybe have common sense returned to politics., also a lot of people want an in/out vote on the EU , UKIP is giving that SNP are not
      The Torys are also giving that. It's well documented that an in/out vote is on the agenda so UKIP arent offering anything there that the present fukkwits at westminster arent giving. In addition, the consensus of opinion is that Scottish voters want to stay in Europe and if that is true then it doesnt matter who is allowing people to vote on that, much like every election result since 1950, our votes will count for the square root of bugger all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      The Torys are also giving that. It's well documented that an in/out vote is on the agenda so UKIP arent offering anything there that the present fukkwits at westminster arent giving. In addition, the consensus of opinion is that Scottish voters want to stay in Europe and if that is true then it doesnt matter who is allowing people to vote on that, much like every election result since 1950, our votes will count for the square root of bugger all.
      So keen on the EU that Scotland will be wanting to sign up to the Euro.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kurt View Post
      So keen on the EU that Scotland will be wanting to sign up to the Euro.
      Another wee dig there Col.

      Why the fukk would we need to sign up to the Euro? AS said quite categorically that we will not be signing up to the euro so what exactly is your point?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      The Torys are also giving that. It's well documented that an in/out vote is on the agenda so UKIP arent offering anything there that the present fukkwits at westminster arent giving. In addition, the consensus of opinion is that Scottish voters want to stay in Europe and if that is true then it doesnt matter who is allowing people to vote on that, much like every election result since 1950, our votes will count for the square root of bugger all.
      lol you could be right , but who is going to believe cast iron Dave any longer ??? his dealing of IS at home and abroad shows you he should not be in charge of a Lego set never mind a country , i will trust UKIP before the Tory's any day , their showed to be a lot of people anti EU when it came to the Euro elections and i have yet to meet anyone ,other than business people that are making a fortune from cheap labour, that want to stay in the EU

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      Another wee dig there Col.

      Why the fukk would we need to sign up to the Euro? AS said quite categorically that we will not be signing up to the euro so what exactly is your point?
      I agree he has changed his stance on the Euro , but as John Claude Juncker said when asked , " If Scotland want to join the EU , they must take the Euro " AS still wants to join so it only leaves one conclusion , he has known all along what plan B was , but he was too scared of backlash to say

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      lol you could be right , but who is going to believe cast iron Dave any longer ??? his dealing of IS at home and abroad shows you he should not be in charge of a Lego set never mind a country , i will trust UKIP before the Tory's any day , their showed to be a lot of people anti EU when it came to the Euro elections and i have yet to meet anyone ,other than business people that are making a fortune from cheap labour, that want to stay in the EU

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      I agree he has changed his stance on the Euro , but as John Claude Juncker said when asked , " If Scotland want to join the EU , they must take the Euro " AS still wants to join so it only leaves one conclusion , he has known all along what plan B was , but he was too scared of backlash to say
      Can you point me in the direction of a link to verify that please because as far as I am aware, we are using the pound and not the euro.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      Can you point me in the direction of a link to verify that please because as far as I am aware, we are using the pound and not the euro.
      no problem mate UKIP MEP David Coburn questions Jean-Claude Juncker on EU membership for an independent Scotland - YouTube i agree that using the pound would be in everybody's interest but i fear other option is known by AS. save time go to 1.40, also i would be interested to see AS rebuttal to this statement from junker, as of yet nothing

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      no problem mate UKIP MEP David Coburn questions Jean-Claude Juncker on EU membership for an independent Scotland - YouTube i agree that using the pound would be in everybody's interest but i fear other option is known by AS. save time go to 1.40, also i would be interested to see AS rebuttal to this statement from junker, as of yet nothing
      You do realise that that was de-bunked as a lie months ago.

      Of course you do. Anyhow, I`m about to go to sleep as I have other peoples $#@! to collect very early.

      However, I`ll do it with a big heart.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zitellis Heid View Post
      You do realise that that was de-bunked as a lie months ago.

      Of course you do. Anyhow, I`m about to go to sleep as I have other peoples $#@! to collect very early.

      However, I`ll do it with a big heart.
      Good night mate , have a nice day tomorrow

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zitellis Heid View Post
      You do realise that that was de-bunked as a lie months ago.

      Of course you do. Anyhow, I`m about to go to sleep as I have other peoples $#@! to collect very early.

      However, I`ll do it with a big heart.
      You do realise that that was de-bunked as a lie months ago

      What part , as i will be putting a mail to David $#@!burn to ask if this video is false

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      Anyone can say anything and be called bullahit by the oppo. He did say that, but I'm more interested in what the actual written law says, because that's what really matters.

      Any country joining the eu has to undertake to at some point adopt the euro as it's currency.But prior to adopting the euro, it's essential that the country in question adopts ERM II... Until you join that it's impossible to adopt the euro. And it's entirely optional for any country to adopt that mechanism.So aye, commit to adopt the euro, but postpone, indefinitely, the adoption of ERM II. As a few eu countries have done and continue to do so.

      That's the actual law, not what junker, barosso, darling or anyone else thinks really matters one ounce of $#@!

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      I believe that UKIP wish to scrap workers rights to paid holidays, maternity leave and sick pay.
      What a shower of $#@!es.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      Another wee dig there Col.

      Why the fukk would we need to sign up to the Euro? AS said quite categorically that we will not be signing up to the euro so what exactly is your point?
      What the $#@! will it be to do with AS? Thought we were getting to elect our own new government? What if the EU said the condition of our membership application was the Euro?

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      We give a minute amount in forgein aid, so to suggest this relates in any way to governments not being able to help those at home is utter $#@!e. Billions are wasted on far less worthy causes than forgein aid.

      UKIP are welts playing to peoples angers and frustrations with any old spurious, blame tactic, claptrap they think will win votes.

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      Well the majority of British citizens are fed up seeing their hard earned going overseas while their own die needlessly here , Climate change , well i need go no further if you believe , and at least they have the balls to do something about the cesspit this country is becoming rather than the loony left who made the mess in the first place , and why should people that have not paid a penny into our welfare system be put first ?? they get housed before even our returning soldiers $#@!ing disgrace , your kind are the reason this countries on its knees

      And the people that thought UKIP were a non entity at the European election s soon got a wake up call , did they not , and hopefully yet again in 2015 and their policies on education ,health and defense cannot be any worse than you are happy to accept just now , i would reckon its an improvement on what we have at moment for the indigenous Brits.
      define indigenous Brits? maybe the Vikings? or the Gaels? the Angels? the Jutes? you probably mean the Welsh definitely not the Irish though (well second time round anyways)

      I'll gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with the refugees, queers, Jews, Muslims, Bulgarians and blacks and all your other scape goats and I hope I do bring your Britain to its knees and yes education (for example) could be a lot worse than it is now - what was it Nige planned last time round? free market system with a fcked up voucher system?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Smurfy View Post
      What the $#@! will it be to do with AS? Thought we were getting to elect our own new government? What if the EU said the condition of our membership application was the Euro?
      It will have something to do with AS until he is no longer the top dog in government. You know that though so why ask the question? I'm still waiting on someone producing the evidence that the condition of our applicaiton would be that we would have to join the euro.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Smurfy View Post
      What the $#@! will it be to do with AS? Thought we were getting to elect our own new government? What if the EU said the condition of our membership application was the Euro?
      We ARE getting a new government, one which will be elected to represent only the people of Scotland.

      It is likely to have considerable representation from the former Westminster MPs from Labour, Tory and possibly even the Libdems. Do you know what their plans are for a Scottish currency?

      What if it, the EU, doesn't?
      Space to let

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      Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
      Anyone can say anything and be called bullahit by the oppo. He did say that, but I'm more interested in what the actual written law says, because that's what really matters.

      Any country joining the eu has to undertake to at some point adopt the euro as it's currency.But prior to adopting the euro, it's essential that the country in question adopts ERM II... Until you join that it's impossible to adopt the euro. And it's entirely optional for any country to adopt that mechanism.So aye, commit to adopt the euro, but postpone, indefinitely, the adoption of ERM II. As a few eu countries have done and continue to do so.

      That's the actual law, not what junker, barosso, darling or anyone else thinks really matters one ounce of $#@!
      That's good to know Southfield , Thank you

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      I would say they are becoming the Norm in politics , after all what choice do you have left , shudder !!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
      We give a minute amount in forgein aid, so to suggest this relates in any way to governments not being able to help those at home is utter $#@!e. Billions are wasted on far less worthy causes than forgein aid.

      UKIP are welts playing to peoples angers and frustrations with any old spurious, blame tactic, claptrap they think will win votes.
      UK gave 8.3 Billion in foreign aid in 2012 , money which would have been better spent here than going to mad despots worldwide , for instance India still gets millions in handouts whilst their govt fund a $#@!ing space program , disgusting , all the while we have people here dying in corridors , and crumbling schools , and a justice system that would be more at home in Africa, yes your right billions gets wasted on other things , like the EU , IMF , ECB , our share to bail out other countries that the EU has broken , The majority of Brits want their hard earned tax to sort this country first ,then and only then we can maybe help other countries , but for $#@! sake sort this $#@! hole out first , the sad thing is we have to borrow the money we give in aid , ecb etc. and get charged a lot more trying to help despots , the people that are supposed to get it never do , even the charities said we are not helping in Africa , because instead of trying to better themselves they just sit there with their hands out , Sorry but the country finally has a political party that put's British people and the UK first , they will win with a similar landslide as they did with Euro elections , with the exception of the Scottish voters maybe. and for that i'm glad

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      Quote Originally Posted by gun ainm View Post
      define indigenous Brits? maybe the Vikings? or the Gaels? the Angels? the Jutes? you probably mean the Welsh definitely not the Irish though (well second time round anyways)

      I'll gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with the refugees, queers, Jews, Muslims, Bulgarians and blacks and all your other scape goats and I hope I do bring your Britain to its knees and yes education (for example) could be a lot worse than it is now - what was it Nige planned last time round? free market system with a fcked up voucher system?
      A typical anti UKIP right wing response , who mentioned Jews , blacks etc , All they are asking for is the people that come deserve to be here and are an asset to the UK , What is wrong with that??? , rather than believing the tosh that the obviously scared other parties put about .your obviously left wing hand wringing leftie and more than glad to see this country die , your posts says so

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wannabehibee View Post
      I believe that UKIP wish to scrap workers rights to paid holidays, maternity leave and sick pay.
      What a shower of $#@!es.
      You can believe whatever crap you want , your choice , but would it not be a good idea instead of believing what crap the papers tell you, actually wait until Septembers release of their manifesto and then pass comment ??

      The current and past Govt have certainly done nothing to make the people of the UK happy have they ?? Its obvious that one or two of UKIP's policies may not be to everyone's liking , but at least the majority should be , that is more than the current breed of cretins can say .
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      Quote Originally Posted by Smurfy View Post
      What the $#@! will it be to do with AS? Thought we were getting to elect our own new government? What if the EU said the condition of our membership application was the Euro?
      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      It will have something to do with AS until he is no longer the top dog in government. You know that though so why ask the question? I'm still waiting on someone producing the evidence that the condition of our applicaiton would be that we would have to join the euro.
      Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
      Anyone can say anything and be called bullahit by the oppo. He did say that, but I'm more interested in what the actual written law says, because that's what really matters.

      Any country joining the eu has to undertake to at some point adopt the euro as it's currency.But prior to adopting the euro, it's essential that the country in question adopts ERM II... Until you join that it's impossible to adopt the euro. And it's entirely optional for any country to adopt that mechanism.So aye, commit to adopt the euro, but postpone, indefinitely, the adoption of ERM II. As a few eu countries have done and continue to do so.

      That's the actual law, not what junker, barosso, darling or anyone else thinks really matters one ounce of $#@!
      It is a condition of becoming a Euro member to commit to joining the euro, but there's a wee catch, see above.

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      Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
      It is a condition of becoming a Euro member to commit to joining the euro, but there's a wee catch, see above.
      And membership of the EU is conditional on having a central bank.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Smurfy View Post
      And membership of the EU is conditional on having a central bank.
      The Member States which were the first to adopt the euro in 1999 had to meet all these conditions. The same entry criteria apply to all countries which have since adopted the euro and all those that will in the future.
      What are the convergence criteria?

      The convergence criteria are formally defined as a set of macroeconomic indicators which measure:

      1. Price stability, to show inflation is controlled;
      2. Soundness and sustainability of public finances, through limits on government borrowing and national debt to avoid excessive deficit;
      3. Exchange-rate stability, through participation in the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II) for at least two years without strong deviations from the ERM II central rate;
      4. Long-term interest rates, to assess the durability of the convergence achieved by fulfilling the other criteria.


      According to the Treaty, at least once every two years, or at the request of a Member State with a derogation, the Commission and the European Central Bank assess the progress made by the euro-area candidate countries and publish their conclusions in respective convergence reports.

      I can't see anywhere where it insists that these monetaruy measures are conducted or facilitated through a central bank.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      The Member States which were the first to adopt the euro in 1999 had to meet all these conditions. The same entry criteria apply to all countries which have since adopted the euro and all those that will in the future.What are the convergence criteria?The convergence criteria are formally defined as a set of macroeconomic indicators which measure:
      1. Price stability, to show inflation is controlled;
      2. Soundness and sustainability of public finances, through limits on government borrowing and national debt to avoid excessive deficit;
      3. Exchange-rate stability, through participation in the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II) for at least two years without strong deviations from the ERM II central rate;
      4. Long-term interest rates, to assess the durability of the convergence achieved by fulfilling the other criteria.

      According to the Treaty, at least once every two years, or at the request of a Member State with a derogation, the Commission and the European Central Bank assess the progress made by the euro-area candidate countries and publish their conclusions in respective convergence reports.I can't see anywhere where it insists that these monetaruy measures are conducted or facilitated through a central bank.
      I think thats right. The lack of a clear lender of last resort has been part of the Euros problems. ECB has reluctantly taken the role as the Germans didn't want it.Without formal € or £ arrangements Scotland wouldn't have a lender of last resort so may find borrowing for investment expensive as this bloke says they might not stand behind the banks commercial lending. I guess RBS would be kept by the UK in the debt default scenario. Note the 100% tax suggestion. Genius! Who could doubt such wisdom!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11054359/Scotland-should-not-take-on-UK-debt-unless-it-can-keep-the-pound.html

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      Quote Originally Posted by Smurfy View Post
      And membership of the EU is conditional on having a central bank.
      That's not correct mate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by southfieldhibby View Post
      That's not correct mate.
      I read it somewhere. Happy to be corrected!

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      UK gave 8.3 Billion in foreign aid in 2012 , money which would have been better spent here than going to mad despots worldwide , for instance India still gets millions in handouts whilst their govt fund a $#@!ing space program , disgusting , all the while we have people here dying in corridors , and crumbling schools , and a justice system that would be more at home in Africa.
      8.3 billion sounds a lot. It is less than 0.7% of the gross national income.

      I agree that foreign aid could be distributed better but that is an argument for better policy not reducing the amount we give. People dying in corridors and crumbling schools can be helped without cutting foreign aid. Why does it have to be a helping one or the other argument with UKIP? We could and should do both! Aid is an easy target for UKIP as it drums up a lot of rhetoric and doesn't upset any of their cronies in the UK.

      Your comment about the justice system and Africa is just baffling. With UKIPs views on bringing back the death penalty I'd imagine a third-world justice system is exactly the sort of thing that would appeal to them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      A typical anti UKIP right wing response , who mentioned Jews , blacks etc , All they are asking for is the people that come deserve to be here and are an asset to the UK , What is wrong with that??? , rather than believing the tosh that the obviously scared other parties put about .your obviously left wing hand wringing leftie and more than glad to see this country die , your posts says so
      er several of your party members/donors have mentioned these groups and others in the past - your dear leader has recently expressed his deep unease about the idea of living next to Bulgarians for example. If Dawkins gets it tight for pondering the morality of aborting babies with downs, how should we view a UKIP candidate proposing compulsory abortion for such children? you allude to a racist approach by referring to policies promoting the rights of 'indigenous Brits' - which i note you chose not define i wonder how i'd be categorised in UKIP Britain? If you paid any attention to my other posts you'd know i am passionate about improving this country - UKIP offer the reverse - an erosion of the rights of refugees and people with disabilities, a privatisation of education and health and the loss of 2 million public sector jobs. oh and banning films and books in schools like al gore's the inconvenient truth? - sounds sh!te to me. BNP in slippers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
      8.3 billion sounds a lot. It is less than 0.7% of the gross national income.

      I agree that foreign aid could be distributed better but that is an argument for better policy not reducing the amount we give. People dying in corridors and crumbling schools can be helped without cutting foreign aid. Why does it have to be a helping one or the other argument with UKIP? We could and should do both! Aid is an easy target for UKIP as it drums up a lot of rhetoric and doesn't upset any of their cronies in the UK.

      Your comment about the justice system and Africa is just baffling. With UKIPs views on bringing back the death penalty I'd imagine a third-world justice system is exactly the sort of thing that would appeal to them.
      Aid is not just an easy target as you say , its a fecking disgrace that we would rather look after people who i know i could not give two $#@!s for, before looking after our own .
      8.3 Billion sounds a lot because it is a lot , bring up the drawbridge and look after our own first , when that is done then look at where we can afford to help , but i for one and millions of others ,yes UKIP voters , want the people of this country looked after first .

      Bring back the death penalty whats wrong with that ?? the days are gone now where Joe Bloggs gets hanged for a crime he did not commit , where there is 100% proof with the help of DNA where possible , i would rather they died than were let free to kill again , or rape again , or both ,as is happening now , no sympathy , remove them from society to make it a safer place

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      er several of your party members/donors have mentioned these groups and others in the past - your dear leader has recently expressed his deep unease about the idea of living next to Bulgarians for example. If Dawkins gets it tight for pondering the morality of aborting babies with downs, how should we view a UKIP candidate proposing compulsory abortion for such children? you allude to a racist approach by referring to policies promoting the rights of 'indigenous Brits' - which i note you chose not define i wonder how i'd be categorised in UKIP Britain? If you paid any attention to my other posts you'd know i am passionate about improving this country - UKIP offer the reverse - an erosion of the rights of refugees and people with disabilities, a privatisation of education and health and the loss of 2 million public sector jobs. oh and banning films and books in schools like al gore's the inconvenient truth? - sounds sh!te to me. BNP in slippers.
      First of Al Gore ,k bet you have all his books and video's ?? nutter , who said they were privatizing school and health another nut job that believes all he reads in the press, refugees have no rights not the ones we keep getting via France , they are no more refugees than i am ,I f they were true refugees they would stay in the first safe country they come to , but they dont and people like you are to blame, they come here because soft wet people like you give them all they want for fear of upsetting someone whilst wringing their hands together , again aid not going to the people who need it !BNP in slippers h don't make me laugh they have more black and Asian in their party than SNP , You really have to stop believing everything you read in the press.

      And just because above is my thoughts ,they are mine alone and not the property of anyone else

      Yeh Al Gore was he not the one that said the polar ice cap would be gone by 2010 and that sea levels would rise by ten meters or some crap like that , was he right h 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
      BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      Aid is not just an easy target as you say , its a fecking disgrace that we would rather look after people who i know i could not give two $#@!s for, before looking after our own .
      But this is my point - Why is it a case of one or or the other? Recession or not, we are still a rich country that can do both!

      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      Bring back the death penalty whats wrong with that ?? the days are gone now where Joe Bloggs gets hanged for a crime he did not commit , where there is 100% proof with the help of DNA where possible , i would rather they died than were let free to kill again , or rape again , or both ,as is happening now , no sympathy , remove them from society to make it a safer place
      Personally I think the death penalty is a barbaric practice but even if you disagree with me, it is also a colossal waste of money. It costs most US states around $2.5 million per prisoner to off death row inmates with 1-10 being executed a year depending on the state. How many extra beat polis would that pay for to keep the streets safer?

      Again, I agree the justice system fails many people but invest into improving it instead of looking for the easy black and white answer all the time - which is all UKIP ever do.

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      But this is my point - Why is it a case of one or or the other? Recession or not, we are still a rich country that can do both!



      Personally I think the death penalty is a barbaric practice but even if you disagree with me, it is also a colossal waste of money. It costs most US states around $2.5 million per prisoner to off death row inmates with 1-10 being executed a year depending on the state. How many extra beat polis would that pay for to keep the streets safer?

      Again, I agree the justice system fails many people but invest into improving it instead of looking for the easy black and white answer all the time - which is all UKIP ever do.

      You do have a heart of gold , but we cannot afford to be the aid station for all of the world , do you realize that all the aid UK gives has to be borrowed and payed back with interest , that is why the UK is over a trillion in debt , yet you say we can afford it , no

      It may be barbaric in your eyes but in the eyes of others it is not , comparing us to USA is not very good , who says we are going to keep them in the luxury of our prisons that long , if the evidence is there ,death penalty , hell i will apply for the job if given the chance , imagine the amount of bobbies we could afford to have on the beat then , as we are saving roughly 31,000 per prisoner per year ?
      Maybe its time for black and white answers , its quite apparent that trying it the way its going at the moment is not working so lets take the common sense easy approach , I'm all for that

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      Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
      8.3 billion sounds a lot. It is less than 0.7% of the gross national income.

      I agree that foreign aid could be distributed better but that is an argument for better policy not reducing the amount we give. People dying in corridors and crumbling schools can be helped without cutting foreign aid. Why does it have to be a helping one or the other argument with UKIP? We could and should do both! Aid is an easy target for UKIP as it drums up a lot of rhetoric and doesn't upset any of their cronies in the UK.

      Your comment about the justice system and Africa is just baffling. With UKIPs views on bringing back the death penalty I'd imagine a third-world justice system is exactly the sort of thing that would appeal to them.
      No matter what way I try and say £8,300,000,000 it is a lot.

      Thing is though that much of this money is paid to British companies doing decent projects overseas for the benefit of these countries. In India I understand that while we pay for dams to be built, which is a good thing until I switch to cynical mode.

      India is by no means the worst example with their governments space programme, not to mention all the call centre jobs that were formerly based here in the UK. By doing our good deeds in other countries it allows these governments to arm themselves to the feckin teeth, sometimes aye and sometimes naw frae the UK arms industries and sometimes aye and sometimes naw they're squirreled away elsewhere to knock $#@! out of our armed forces. Also on closer inspection its more often found than not, bribes aside, these big $#@! off contracts go to companies run or belonging to Tory party donators, former MPs, leading lights etc..

      We need an overseas aid programme to keep these sorts in the luxury they've long been accustomed to.
      Space to let

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      You can believe whatever crap you want , your choice , but would it not be a good idea instead of believing what crap the papers tell you, actually wait until Septembers release of their manifesto and then pass comment ??

      The current and past Govt have certainly done nothing to make the people of the UK happy have they ?? Its obvious that one or two of UKIP's policies may not be to everyone's liking , but at least the majority should be , that is more than the current breed of cretins can say .
      I'll wait with baited breath for it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wannabehibee View Post
      I'll wait with baited breath for it.
      As will i , but after September 18 it should only matter if your not in Scotland

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
      No matter what way I try and say £8,300,000,000 it is a lot.

      Thing is though that much of this money is paid to British companies doing decent projects overseas for the benefit of these countries. In India I understand that while we pay for dams to be built, which is a good thing until I switch to cynical mode.

      India is by no means the worst example with their governments space programme, not to mention all the call centre jobs that were formerly based here in the UK. By doing our good deeds in other countries it allows these governments to arm themselves to the feckin teeth, sometimes aye and sometimes naw frae the UK arms industries and sometimes aye and sometimes naw they're squirreled away elsewhere to knock $#@! out of our armed forces. Also on closer inspection its more often found than not, bribes aside, these big $#@! off contracts go to companies run or belonging to Tory party donators, former MPs, leading lights etc..

      We need an overseas aid programme to keep these sorts in the luxury they've long been accustomed to.
      Thank you Jack , I'm glad someone else sees it

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      Quote Originally Posted by timberfox View Post
      You do have a heart of gold , but we cannot afford to be the aid station for all of the world , do you realize that all the aid UK gives has to be borrowed and payed back with interest , that is why the UK is over a trillion in debt , yet you say we can afford it , no

      It may be barbaric in your eyes but in the eyes of others it is not , comparing us to USA is not very good , who says we are going to keep them in the luxury of our prisons that long , if the evidence is there ,death penalty , hell i will apply for the job if given the chance , imagine the amount of bobbies we could afford to have on the beat then , as we are saving roughly 31,000 per prisoner per year ?
      Maybe its time for black and white answers , its quite apparent that trying it the way its going at the moment is not working so lets take the common sense easy approach , I'm all for that
      The UK is in debt for a vast number of reasons. That is aid (0.7% of the GNI remember) being an easy target yet again, but I think we are going around in circles on this one. I'd love to hear how your affordable justice system is going to work too. As soon as a guilty verdict is read will the accused simply be led out the court room to be offed in the court car-park?

      UKIP doesn't represent "common sense" to me, it represents lowest common denominator hectoring and bull$#@!. If you're all for that then fill your boots, but I reckon you are being led up the garden path by cut-price Tories.

      My "heart of gold" notwithstanding I'd rather support ideas that promote positive changes to a system of government we both agree is flawed. While UKIP continue blaming all society's ills on Johnny Foreigner they will always remain a toxic and ugly party to me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
      The UK is in debt for a vast number of reasons. That is aid (0.7% of the GNI remember) being an easy target yet again, but I think we are going around in circles on this one. I'd love to hear how your affordable justice system is going to work too. As soon as a guilty verdict is read will the accused simply be led out the court room to offed in the court car-park?

      UKIP doesn't represent "common sense" to me, it represents lowest common denominator hectoring and bull$#@!. If you're all for that then fill your boots, but I reckon you are being led up the garden path by cut-price Tories.

      My "heart of gold" notwithstanding I'd rather support ideas that promote positive changes to a system of government we both agree is flawed. While UKIP continue blaming all society's ills on Johnny Foreigner they will always remain a toxic and ugly party to me.
      You are welcome to your opinion as we all are , on that i will leave you to ponder as you have enough hate for UKIP , who only have the people of this land s best interests at heart , bear in mind we have politicians in westminster that have no one in the UK';s best interest at heart , your welcome to them

      And ifs there's enough proof , then yes take then away right away , why waste time on money on the scum

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      Quote Originally Posted by Two Headed Boy View Post
      But this is my point - Why is it a case of one or or the other? Recession or not, we are still a rich country that can do both
      no we're not, we are insolvent like most of the rest of Europe, and it's only getting worse and in an accelerating way.

      We've lived in a fantasy world for decades, but we will not do for much longer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by egb_hibs View Post
      no we're not, we are insolvent like most of the rest of Europe, and it's only getting worse and in an accelerating way.

      We've lived in a fantasy world for decades, but we will not do for much longer.
      so you're voting UKIP (in the event of a no vote)?

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