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      Club are a joke!

      Ryan baptie One of the most promising left backs at the club in a long time had been offered a new deal by hibs and now they have pulled the plug on it!! He came home from holiday to find this out.

      I'm sick of the treatment of some of our young lads. Will be talking to Leeann and George about this

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      I noticed this on twitter. I don't think any players should be coming and going until the new manager decides who he wants to stay or go. Strange situation but can't help but think this is what happens to teams which get relegated. The club has to cut costs and be ruthless not nice though horrible.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      Ryan baptie One of the most promising left backs at the club in a long time had been offered a new deal by hibs and now they have pulled the plug on it!! He came home from holiday to find this out.

      I'm sick of the treatment of some of our young lads. Will be talking to Leeann and George about this
      Absolutely disgusting the way Ryan has been treated by the club. Would much rather he was playing left back for us next season than McGivern! Total joke!

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      Disappointing to hear, was impressed by him when I saw him play.
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      I wonder if George Craig, Eddie May and Leeann herself are being given the same contracts that they had been offered prior to relegation.

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      Just when we thought the club were going in the right direction they go and pull a shady move like this.

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      If the club needs to cut costs then get McGivern and Nelson tae $#@!. Youngsters with talent are the future of the club not garbage like those two wasters, who were instrumental in us being in this disgraceful position in the first place. Shameful decision.
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      Not so much a joke as a continuing disappointment.


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      Shame for the boy if they've withdrawn the offer but my priority is Hibs.
      If they have to be ruthless then so be it as cuts are required to our expenditure and a ridiculously big squad of players. It makes no odds to me who made the decision either as it's not as if it's a decent first team player being released - we don't have any of those.

      I only seen him once at Cappielow against Celtic and he didn't impress. We have three senior players under contract who have played the left back slot which will have been a major factor I think.

      Whether others should go before him is neither here nor there as the (remaining) diddies we want rid of are under contract and it's not so easy to get rid when no other cant wants them. I hope there are plenty more to follow him out the door including the likes of Nelson and McGivern.

      Definitely want to see some inward movement next week and let's start with a good manager.
      The clock is ticking.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Crooksy View Post
      Shame for the boy if they've withdrawn the offer but my priority is Hibs.
      If they have to be ruthless then so be it as cuts are required to our expenditure and a ridiculously big squad of players. It makes no odds to me who made the decision either as it's not as if it's a decent first team player being released - we don't have any of those.

      I only seen him once at Cappielow against Celtic and he didn't impress. We have three senior players under contract who have played the left back slot which will have been a major factor I think.

      Whether others should go before him is neither here nor there as the (remaining) diddies we want rid of are under contract and it's not so easy to get rid when no other cant wants them. I hope there are plenty more to follow him out the door including the likes of Nelson and McGivern.

      Definitely want to see some inward movement next week and let's start with a good manager.
      The clock is ticking.
      Spot on mate! It's about hibs and if not needed or in clubs plans why keep him? Our clubs be a soft touch for to long

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      Quote Originally Posted by Crooksy View Post
      Shame for the boy if they've withdrawn the offer but my priority is Hibs.
      If they have to be ruthless then so be it as cuts are required to our expenditure and a ridiculously big squad of players. It makes no odds to me who made the decision either as it's not as if it's a decent first team player being released - we don't have any of those.

      I only seen him once at Cappielow against Celtic and he didn't impress. We have three senior players under contract who have played the left back slot which will have been a major factor I think.

      Whether others should go before him is neither here nor there as the (remaining) diddies we want rid of are under contract and it's not so easy to get rid when no other cant wants them. I hope there are plenty more to follow him out the door including the likes of Nelson and McGivern.

      Definitely want to see some inward movement next week and let's start with a good manager.
      The clock is ticking.
      This.

      Shame for the boy and his mates. If hibs feel he's surplus to requirements then so be it.
      Maybe Hibs think there is a better youngster coming through behind him.

      Good luck

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      So much for Dempster/Petrie banging on about youth being the way forward. They tried to make a big thing about the Spartans link up while at the same time binning talented kids we already have on the books.
      Who do the dynamic duo actually think will be in the 1st team this season. Does LD know we need 7 subs as well and a goalie usually helps.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gfs_hfc View Post
      Spot on mate! It's about hibs and if not needed or in clubs plans why keep him? Our clubs be a soft touch for to long
      Nowt to do with being a soft touch mate , if the lad is good (and peeps who have seen him say he is ) , then why o why isn't he being retained?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tatie View Post
      Nowt to do with being a soft touch mate , if the lad is good (and peeps who have seen him say he is ) , then why o why isn't he being retained?
      I'd like to think they've asked his coaches,maybe Callum Booth is next in line for LB
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      Perhaps a bit harsh on coming back from,his holidays,but maybe the lads just weren't good enough?,I havnt really been that impressed by recent youth coming through tbh.I wish both lads well,football is a harsh business but tae say the club are a joke because they release two kids is a bit of a over reaction IMHO.I'm sure the club had good reason,fianancial ,ability etc to release these young players.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tatie View Post
      Nowt to do with being a soft touch mate , if the lad is good (and peeps who have seen him say he is ) , then why o why isn't he being retained?
      Like I said if the club don't rate him! I've never seen him play but not going lose sleep over under 20s player not getting what he thought was getting! If he's that good it's upto him get New Club and prove hibs wrong good luck to the laddie

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      Quote Originally Posted by PILTONSTANY View Post
      I'd like to think they've asked his coaches,maybe Callum Booth is next in line for LB
      possibly man . Id like to see CB given a chance.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gfs_hfc View Post
      Like I said if the club don't rate him! I've never seen him play but not going lose sleep over under 20s player not getting what he thought was getting! If he's that good it's upto him get New Club and prove hibs wrong good luck to the laddie
      again a fair point . And some have went on to prove hibs wrong possibly; RANKIN and WITHERSPOON instantly spring tae mind , and im sure bouncers could come up with a couple more .
      Obviously these lads weren't U20 , but the logic is the same.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      Ryan baptie One of the most promising left backs at the club in a long time had been offered a new deal by hibs and now they have pulled the plug on it!! He came home from holiday to find this out.

      I'm sick of the treatment of some of our young lads. Will be talking to Leeann and George about this
      That is shocking Nikki liked both Baptie & Black who is making these decisions we dont even have a manager, will be interesting to know when the new manager does come in what players he wants to stay...Releasing talent like this but keeping the likes of Nelson

      Lets us know what they say Nikki

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      Quote Originally Posted by south west hiby View Post
      Perhaps a bit harsh on coming back from,his holidays,but maybe the lads just weren't good enough?,I havnt really been that impressed by recent youth coming through tbh.I wish both lads well,football is a harsh business but tae say the club are a joke because they release two kids is a bit of a over reaction IMHO.I'm sure the club had good reason,fianancial ,ability etc to release these young players.
      I totally understand the financial reasons for letting players go but it's the manner in which the club are doing it.

      And as for people doubting the players ability..... Think I'm a good judge of player since I watch them every week

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tatie View Post
      Nowt to do with being a soft touch mate , if the lad is good (and peeps who have seen him say he is ) , then why o why isn't he being retained?
      Obviously financial or not good enough, take yer pick.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      I totally understand the financial reasons for letting players go but it's the manner in which the club are doing it.

      And as for people doubting the players ability..... Think I'm a good judge of player since I watch them every week
      I'm sure you are a good judge of a player,but even good players get released if they don't fit into the overall plan of coach or club.

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      I'm sure their coaches were consulted on who to empty and who to keep. If they didn't see the potential then it's fair enough - a lot of good players have slipped through the net as it's a game of opinions.

      I'm not doubting your ability to spot a player Nikki but watching a team every week counts for nothing. Terry Butcher watched his team every week and couldn't pick his nose :-)

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      When the club's own staff have openly admitted down the years to only looking to bring through one or two players a year group every year, you have to anticipate that - unless a player is exceptional - most of the academy players get let go. I was told once by someone from the club that whole year groups in the past have been built around nurturing one key prospect. Once that job was done it was to all the rest.

      We saw the league and cup double winning U19 side completely dismantled only a few years ago - and to be fair, where are most of them now? Only Spoony and Sean Welsh that I can think of has "made it"?

      Fenlon said our academy system was not working, was failing to pick up the best players not only from the area but no longer picking up players from further afield. Would we pick up a Scott Brown or Stephen Fletcher any more? Geographically speaking both of the areas they came from seem to no longer be on our radar? Or maybe kids from Strathclyde and Fife don't fancy Hibs any more? Either way, if Fenlon had a point, it was about this.

      As for the actual WAY this has been handled, only Hibs and the player know all the ins and outs. This whole rebuild process was never, ever going to be easy. Maybe the club will come out and say something to clarify things. LD seems more media savvy and friendly. Perhaps Monday morning will bring her to say something.

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      The process of building a first team squad who can take us straight back up will inevitably involve some pain. They are clearly trying to save every penny they can and sadly that means we will probably lose some talented youngsters.as long as they then sign the calibre of player we require to do the job, I will be satisfied. If we end up with a bunch of journeymen I'll be gutted.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      I totally understand the financial reasons for letting players go but it's the manner in which the club are doing it.

      And as for people doubting the players ability..... Think I'm a good judge of player since I watch them every week
      Fans opinions and management opinions are to complete different things unfortunately! Do you think he is as good as booth or Lewis? Could he play left back next season in 1st team in what's going be a very hard championship? Because we're not going have 50+ playing staff this season!

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      Due to the events of last season we're now in the position that unless a young player is good enough to get into the first team, either as a first-choice or as a 2nd-pick behind an established first-team player then there's a good chance they will be let go.

      Part of me would like us to drop the dead wood and spend 2 or 3 seasons in the first division with our u20s being the core of the squad consolidating the club and developing individually and collectively but this approach is probably a luxury we (as a club) can't afford.

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      Not so much a joke as a continuing disappointment.

      That's pretty much it for me. Just one disappointment after another.

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      So if we are constrained by budget cuts and costs......

      How many of the board have taken a wage cut or left the club?
      Does a club in our position, in the championship, require a board as big as we have?

      Just asking.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
      If the club needs to cut costs then get McGivern and Nelson tae $#@!. Youngsters with talent are the future of the club not garbage like those two wasters, who were instrumental in us being in this disgraceful position in the first place. Shameful decision.
      If the club needs to cut costs then how the hell does getting rid of McGivern and Nelson help?

      We would have to pay them the remainder of their contracts to make absolutely sure they go.

      So we would have to shell out in the region of 100,000 to 150,000 to get rid of them.

      Good business plan eh.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      If the club needs to cut costs then how the hell does getting rid of McGivern and Nelson help?

      We would have to pay them the remainder of their contracts to make absolutely sure they go.

      So we would have to shell out in the region of 100,000 to 150,000 to get rid of them.

      Good business plan eh.
      They can't be trusted and should not be in the team at any cost. However your spot on why should we waste more money to get rid and then replace.

      Bit of a maverick solution is that they could remain at the club and be made to come sit in the stands with the supporters week in week out till they see sense and ask for mutual termination, that or giving the wee lass at the kiosk a hand dishing out the bovril though they would just end up spilling that too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      I totally understand the financial reasons for letting players go but it's the manner in which the club are doing it.

      And as for people doubting the players ability..... Think I'm a good judge of player since I watch them every week
      Nikki, I am aware you watch the youth teams every week and have done so for years.

      I am also aware you can easily determine the better ones from the poorer ones.

      What I find difficult and don't see, is how you can determine what ones are good enough to play first team football.

      In the past we have thought guys like Kurtis Byrne, Ollie Russell, Ross Caldwell, Scott Smith would cut it based on their under 20 form (or 19s) but the truth is they haven't even come close to cutting it at Hibs or any other club.

      Not doubting your ability to spot players at under 20 level but it is completely different to state that they are first team players.

      I have never seen Andy or Ryan play but only heard good things about them and I feel for them but if say James McDonaugh is part of the decision then maybe it is the right one. If were being honest there isn't many youth players weve not retained recently that have went on to make us think the club were wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by EastMeetsWest View Post
      They can't be trusted and should not be in the team at any cost. However your spot on why should we waste more money to get rid and then replace.

      Bit of a maverick solution is that they could remain at the club and be made to come sit in the stands with the supporters week in week out till they see sense and ask for mutual termination, that or giving the wee lass at the kiosk a hand dishing out the bovril though they would just end up spilling that too.
      I agree with what you are saying and we are in a Catch 22 situation.

      I think LD is hoping they go of their own accord.

      McGivern has a chance I think of getting a club but I fear we are stuck with Nelson.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shades View Post
      So if we are constrained by budget cuts and costs......

      How many of the board have taken a wage cut or left the club?
      Does a club in our position, in the championship, require a board as big as we have?

      Just asking.
      Not sure what your point is Shades.

      Do you think we have too many Board members, and/or they are paid too much?
      Where are you getting your info from that suggests this may be the case?


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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
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      I agree with what you are saying and we are in a Catch 22 situation.

      I think LD is hoping they go of their own accord.

      McGivern has a chance I think of getting a club but I fear we are stuck with Nelson.
      Sadly this is looking the case with him.

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      As I've stated I understand youth players have to get released every year it's just the manner the club have done it.

      About my post at 1.15am, I had had a few shandies, what am I to know about football. I'm only a female that has been watching it for 25 years

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      As I've stated I understand youth players have to get released every year it's just the manner the club have done it.

      About my post at 1.15am, I had had a few shandies, what am I to know about football. I'm only a female that has been watching it for 25 years
      Well said love

      Now go and get they dishes done.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tayside hibee View Post
      Well said love

      Now go and get they dishes done.
      OUCH! Yer on thin ice mate .

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      What I never quite understand is............ if they were 'offered contracts' or 'had a contract on the table' then why did they no just sign the fcukin thing?


      If I was offering someone a contract and they wanted to 'think about it' (code for "get my agent to see what others might offer") I'd say "Fine. Bugger off then son"


      I accept that this may simply be because I'm a grumpy fcuker and can't be arsed if someone wants to see if the grass is greener elsewhere.

      Maybe Leeann is a grumpy fcuker too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tayside hibee View Post
      Well said love

      Now go and get they dishes done.
      Done, was going to do the ironing but the football was on :rofl:

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      Done, was going to do the ironing but the football was on :rofl:
      Is it right that Ryan Baptie, Andy Black and Euan Smith are all 100% gone?

      That much chopping and changing these days I've lost track.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      Is it right that Ryan Baptie, Andy Black and Euan Smith are all 100% gone?

      That much chopping and changing these days I've lost track.
      I only know baptie is 100%, not spoken to anyone to confirm black and smith

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      If the club needs to cut costs then how the hell does getting rid of McGivern and Nelson help?

      We would have to pay them the remainder of their contracts to make absolutely sure they go.

      So we would have to shell out in the region of 100,000 to 150,000 to get rid of them.

      Good business plan eh.

      So do you suggest we keep them both and concede plenty of goals? Some business plan that when our main priority is to come back up first time round eh.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      Is it right that Ryan Baptie, Andy Black and Euan Smith are all 100% gone?

      That much chopping and changing these days I've lost track.
      Not read anywhere about Euan Smith being released..
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      Maybe I'm being to simplistic here, but perhaps the club are simply withdrawing all contracts until there is a new manager in place to decide who he actually wants at the club? The new manager might come in, ask James McDonagh about the young lads, and then may offer them new deals again?

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      Quote Originally Posted by The Family View Post
      So do you suggest we keep them both and concede plenty of goals? Some business plan that when our main priority is to come back up first time round eh.
      So do you suggest pay them their money up front?

      IMO we didn't go down because of the amount of goals we conceded but because we didn't score enough at the other end.

      We conceded 51 goals, far less than anybody else in the bottom six and 9 less than Motherwell who finished second.

      But just you continue to blame those two (who I would like shot of as well) and ignore the rest.

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      Good point about the defence Scoops. I was surprised when I looked at the for:against stats at the end of the season. It felt like we had the leakiest defence in the SPL but not so.
      I think because many goals lost were due to horrific mistakes and (because we weren't scoring) inevitably meant a defeat our defence seemed worse than it was.
      The fact is that our team just couldn't score goals.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      So do you suggest pay them their money up front?

      IMO we didn't go down because of the amount of goals we conceded but because we didn't score enough at the other end.

      We conceded 51 goals, far less than anybody else in the bottom six and 9 less than Motherwell who finished second.

      But just you continue to blame those two (who I would like shot of as well) and ignore the rest.

      Your stats are spot on Scoops...But for me they did relegate us as they were both really poor in the final play off game, McGivern has been hot and cold for us more cold tbh...Nelson is just a hoofball defender as soon as he gets the ball it's a punt to nobody up the pitch...They aint playing the kind of football I want to see at Hibs.

      Also if the rumours are true about the directors/board not taking pay cuts then yes cut their wages in order to get shot of these two.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
      Good point about the defence Scoops. I was surprised when I looked at the for:against stats at the end of the season. It felt like we had the leakiest defence in the SPL but not so.
      I think because many goals lost were due to horrific mistakes and (because we weren't scoring) inevitably meant a defeat our defence seemed worse than it was.
      The fact is that our team just couldn't score goals.
      To some extent I'd agree with this. Due to our woeful scoring record our defence was treading on eggshells as they knew one mistake would more often than not mean defeat. This atmosphere makes mistakes even more likely to happen IMO and was a factor in the puntball mentality.
      Personally I'd much rather have defenders who try and play football (preferably on the deck) and who make more mistakes than aimless puntball as I strongly feel this approach was instrumental in our lack of creativity

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      Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
      So do you suggest pay them their money up front?

      IMO we didn't go down because of the amount of goals we conceded but because we didn't score enough at the other end.

      We conceded 51 goals, far less than anybody else in the bottom six and 9 less than Motherwell who finished second.

      But just you continue to blame those two (who I would like shot of as well) and ignore the rest.
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr Shrink View Post
      Good point about the defence Scoops. I was surprised when I looked at the for:against stats at the end of the season. It felt like we had the leakiest defence in the SPL but not so.
      I think because many goals lost were due to horrific mistakes and (because we weren't scoring) inevitably meant a defeat our defence seemed worse than it was.
      The fact is that our team just couldn't score goals.
      Up to the end of December we had only conceded 16 goals in the league. We ended up shipping 51 in total so we conceded 35 goals in the second part of the season essentially and that to me is a leaky defence no matter which way you paint it. I'm not saying you guys are wrong re not scoring enough goals because clearly you are right there but stats can be interpreted in different ways and taking the two halfs of the season in isolation you are wrong about us having a not bad defence at least for the second half of the season especially when the spineless fukks decided to down tools.

      The only conclusion I can make is that the defence did indeed give up the ghost because I doubt really that the other teams around us suddenly just got a lot better. That being the case then the two mentioned by previous posters should be summarily executed at most or immediately shown the door at the very least because they were in the team week in week out and they helped us towards relegation by not doing their jobs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
      Up to the end of December we had only conceded 16 goals in the league. We ended up shipping 51 in total so we conceded 36 goals in the second part of the season essentially and that to me is a leaky defence no matter which way you paint it. I'm not saying you guys are wrong re not scoring enough goals because clearly you are right there but stats can be interpreted in different ways and taking the two halfs of the season in isolation you are wrong about us having a not bad defence at least for the second half of the season especially when the spineless fukks decided to down tools.

      The only conclusion I can make is that the defence did indeed give up the ghost because I doubt really that the other teams around us suddenly just got a lot better. That being the case then the two mentioned by previous posters should be summarily executed at most or immediately shown the door at the very least because they were in the team week in week out and they helped us towards relegation by not doing their jobs.

      I hadn't realised the 16/36 Dub - that does alter things a bit. Perhaps not surprising given the total collapse experienced under Butcher.

      I'm certainly not defending the Milky Bar Kid or the Hoofer, after all they have done fcukall in the way of defending so why should I?

      The conclusion must be that the defence, midfield, and forward(s) are pretty equally culpable in failing to win games of football.


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