That was awful wasn't it......... poor sod. The 'wind of change' blew his script away and he was strugglin'
Thoughts on a couple mentioned;
Mowbray - He was decent at Hibs. But we underachieved imo. He had a fantastic squad of players who Williamson had done the hard work of bringing through. We didn't win anything. He didn't address the glaring weaknesses in squads (goalkeeper!). And with a much better squad he presided over as bad a defeat at Hampden to Hearts as Fenlon did. But the football was good.
Murray - I would have appointed him last month before the Kilmarnock game and said so at the time. His record at Dumbarton is excellent. I don't get the "he needs more time" argument at all. What? At Dumbarton? Or lower SPL level? If he's a success at SPL level there's every chance he'll never manage Hibs. Managers want to go to England, and English sides will take a chance on someone who's done well with a low level top division side from Scotland. Now or possibly never imo.
Steve Clarke - Not coming. Don't be mental.
Jackie McNamara - No a million miles away from getting the Celtic job and people think he's going to come to Hibs? See Steve Clarke.
Malky Mackay - See Steve Clarke
Craig Brown - Just naw. Brutal football.
McCall - Maybe? Unconvinced he'll leave Motherwell to join Hibs in a lower league though, especially because he looks odds on to become the next huns manager when they punt McCoist. If he's got faith in himself to do a job at Hibs, he might well be setting himself up to join the huns in another season in the 1st division!
Mjallby - Maybe? No managerial experience as his own man though. Would set high standards imo though.
As I stated on another thread I want a man who will bring back the flair.
I'd go for someone continental, no idea who though.
Mowbray can get $#@!ed after his huddle at ER while with Septic.
I think we will go down the same road as the gunts with a young ambitious manager overseen by an older more experienced director of football.
Ian Murray for me - all the way, no two ways about it.
My view hasn't changed since we were looking for Fenlon's successor, and it's not going to change now. I'll tell you one thing, though:
I'm starting to like Michael Stewart after his commentary today.
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I`d give the nod to Ian Murray i reckon. I`m about 99% sure about it.
I think the club will try and get McCall, though i think he`s gearing up for the SevCo job.
I started out with nothing and i`ve still got most of it left.
" Without people, you`re nothing.." - Joe Strummer.
I hope Leeann Dempster sack TB knowing to have a suitable replacement ready to take over rather than hoping to find a replacement.
Was Tony lucky to inherit a youth team? Was Erick lucky to sign sauzee (Paise be apon him) and latapy.
I think after watch hibs for 30 years Tony's team was one of the best drilled ever, there was more than a few goals put past the Huns,
I was 50/50 on TB but would line Tony back.
Ian Murray with Russell Latapy as assistant? Could do worse. My fear is, and I do hope that LD will buck the trend, it's gonna be Danny Lennon. 😔
McCall may like working with LD but he's surely not going to drop down a division, it IS too soon for Murray (not in terms of coaching but we need to build an entire squad and, unless working with a solid DoF, I doubt he'd be up to it) & Barry Ferguson? Barry f2ckin Ferguson??? I hope that sums up my feelings towards that particular suggestion.
Mowbray with Boozy in some capacity sounds like the best option to me. If not, and I already hate myself for saying this, Jimmy Calderwood. He has experience, contacts & would build a good squad from scratch IMO.
See this is how some kind of fan owned club would be so hard, everyone had so many different opinions...
I just don't know about IM, lots of youngish managers seem to get the gig at clubs throughout Europe..
Had Simeone (Sp) have any experience pre Atletico?
There is a few down South but names escape me🙉
Would Coyle be outwith us?
But he did spend a tiny fraction compared to the teams he beat to the title...
Sometimes you just have to take that chance...
Yeah I know, we are not exactly in a place where we can afford to " take a chance"
I would only bring Murray in if he had a more experienced director of football to work with.
We were relegated into the First Division a few weeks ago, costing the club many thousands of pounds. We have now sacked yet another manager after only seven months in the job and will have to pay a hefty compensation to him and Malpas and Marsella. We need to get our collective heads around the fact that we are no longer a top flight club. Any established manager who still has his sanity will steer well clear of the poisoned chalice which is the Hibs managers job.
Leeann needs to try to reunite the club with it's fans. We don't have much money and I dread to think how much the compensation is going to eat into our player budget for next season, so I can see someone cheap and young being recruited. I know Ian Murray has only recently signed a new deal at Dumbarton, but for me he is as near to a certainty as you will get to succeed Butcher. He has a good record in the Division we are going to be playing in and he won't be too expensive after we pay out even more compo to Dumbarton. The fans will also rally behind a man who has a great passion for the club.
Personally, I think it's too early for Ian Murray, a guy who in reality is barely out of his nappies as a manager, but given the state we are in at the moment we are not exactly going to have the pick of the crop.. No SPFL manager in their right mind will want the Hibs job just now.
"I can't stress enough how important it is to be in possession of the football - it is better to be the matador rather than the bull"
It depends what road the club want to go down if we are looking for a manager to build his own team I'm for Ian Murray. If we are looking to make 3-4 signings and use more of the players from last years u20's in the first team I'd be for James McDonaugh. If it's none of these two then I want a complete unknown ambitious modern coach.
And his ridiculous assertions that McCheaty 'had to dive to save himself seious injury'.
And the clincher was giving that waste of a pair of gloves Zibi a new contract as a parting gift.
We can't afford to 'give a chance' to someone who may or may not be big enough.
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Will back whoever LD picks. We've all shouted for some absolute shockers the last few years.
What's the difference in readiness between Jackie Mac and Ian Murray?
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'...
There are plenty of out-of-work managers (D. Lennon, J. Calderwood, G. Burley etc.) who would surely relish the chance of building their very own squad pre-season and having a crack at making Hibs great again. Nothing to lose, could resurrect their career.
As an aside, I see that Burley was sacked by his last club, Apollon Limassol, after just 2 games! What the f@ck did he do? Put tap water ice cubes in the squad's pre-match thirst-quenchers?
Wanted Mowbray instead of Butcher but don't think Mowbray will be the answer now. You don't get promoted playing passing football when others will be doing anything to win.
Wonder if John Park would leave his post at Celtic to try his hand at being number one?
Owned and ran by us the fans, not A single fan who owns the club.
Meaning we cant agree on mostly anything, we all have our opinions and they differ quite a bit, how would we come to any agreement
How would it work
James McDonaugh why not knows the players really well why not hire from inside worth a shout
And we have an idea about who is big enough for the job how?
FWIW Murray has as much experience as a manager as Jackie McNamara had prior to getting the Dundee Utd job. You take a chance on the right person imo. I don't know if Murray is the right person. But Butcher wasn't, and there were damn few who thought that at the time he was appointed.
I'd be entirely open to accepting applications and taking the best from those. I want a coach who isn't immediately whining about "needing his own players" (as if the players he has are all going to somehow evaporate) who makes the players he has better. I want someone with tactical ability who knows how to change a game and puts in place a system suited to the players he has. And I want someone who wants us to play football. I don't think this is a ridiculous wishlist.
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That does not mean everyone will agree. Nor should it.
Is he ready?
Would i be happy with him, i think so....
I think if you are made for management then you stand out, i think IM has done a fantatsic job at Dumbarton, with what was a squad that was a cert for relegation when he took them over, so he can certainly change a teams performance for the better...
But again, i just dont know what to think
Had no objections to most of his appointments at the time - disastrous as they may have turned out.
Fenlon I'd never heard of, but the rest seemed to be decent picks to me.
Jackie Mac is a beginner, and has had half a season or so with United, where it could be argued that the groundwork had mostly been laid. Ihun Murray is wet behind the ears and the Hibs job is easily in the top 5 in the country. He'd be seen as a cheap Rodders appointment, and other than the attraction that he would at least respect the Club, I don't see him as having the experience or respect demanded by the torn-faced greeting gurning $#@!wits that we also seem to employ as players at Hibs.
Any manager is a gamble (which I think is your point) but I wouldn't put a wedge on Murray as being the answer.
But then again I've admitted I'm $#@! at picking managers, and I can't put up a decent alternative - other than possibly guys who are unaffordable and would $#@! off at the first sniff of a job elsewhere.
Tb found a safe job at a level without too much expectation, but he had been managing for years, IM straight into it and makes a massive difference....
I cant make my mind up tbh...
Just praying LD knows exactly what we need and can make it happen
Alex mcleish up top with Murray as coach? Rolling one year contracts see how it works? Something different maybe
It's a season and a half he's had. And mind, Houston left that job stating they couldn't go any further and they had no young players capable of making the breakthrough with them...
I'm not convinced Murray is the answer, but he has done enough to make him a viable candidate. And that's regardless of him being a Hibby.
His dad played for hibs he will part dundee utd thursday:
Billy Davies for me, but highly unlikely he'd come to us. There is a Motherwell connection though.
Owen Coyle. Guess that with teams he has been with, the lad over the past period is probably now a millionaire. Knocked back by his team Celtic, for the big one , he may take up the ultimate challenge. Just saying likes. I hope so.
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