Where is the leadership? Where is the vision?

[Green Sleeves]

Today was poor. But it wont change for the better this season. There's more of today's dross on the horizon.

Its getting more noticeable that Hibs as a club - on and off the field - are drifting along rudderless and there is nobody stepping forward to provide leadership.

There is no leadership on the park. Nobody is taking the team by the baws and putting the squeeze on when things are goign wrong. Especially not from Rob Jones. A church dormouse would make more noise. Its about time Jones was stripped of the captaincy and the armband given to Ian Murray.

We've got a very poor manager who is WAY out of his depth, who doesnt know what he's doing regarding tactics and team selection, and provides no leadership. He just tinkers about with team selection and plays people who let the side down the week before. None of those players looked fearful of their place in the team as they trooped off today. Just heads down. Thats diabolical.

We've got a board who dont seem to realise that theres more to running a club than making the books balance and doing everything on the cheap. If making the book's balance and doing everything on the cheap is what they specialise in they should all feck off and open up an Ali's Cave.

We've got an owner who simply is NOT INTERESTED. (Except in property speculation and asset stripping). He's finished asset-stripping the club - all the land deals are done and dusted, all the best players are flogged off - but he hasnt even got the decency to put the club up for sale. What's he waiting for?

Tom Farmer is supposed to be a top businessman. In that case he will fully understand that the rot starts with him, just as the buck stops with him.

Depressing.

[Lazarus]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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Today was poor. But it wont change for the better this season. There's more of today's dross on the horizon.

Its getting more noticeable that Hibs as a club - on and off the field - are drifting along rudderless and there is nobody stepping forward to provide leadership.

There is no leadership on the park. Nobody is taking the team by the baws and putting the squeeze on when things are goign wrong. Especially not from Rob Jones. A church dormouse would make more noise. Its about time Jones was stripped of the captaincy and the armband given to Ian Murray.

We've got a very poor manager who is WAY out of his depth, who doesnt know what he's doing regarding tactics and team selection, and provides no leadership. He just tinkers about with team selection and plays people who let the side down the week before. None of those players looked fearful of their place in the team as they trooped off today. Just heads down. Thats diabolical.

We've got a board who dont seem to realise that theres more to running a club than making the books balance and doing everything on the cheap. If making the book's balance and doing everything on the cheap is what they specialise in they should all feck off and open up an Ali's Cave.

We've got an owner who simply is NOT INTERESTED. (Except in property speculation and asset stripping). He's finished asset-stripping the club - all the land deals are done and dusted, all the best players are flogged off - but he hasnt even got the decency to put the club up for sale. What's he waiting for?

Tom Farmer is supposed to be a top businessman. In that case he will fully understand that the rot starts with him, just as the buck stops with him.

Depressing.

100% agree

[ayegudyin]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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Today was poor. But it wont change for the better this season. There's more of today's dross on the horizon.

Its getting more noticeable that Hibs as a club - on and off the field - are drifting along rudderless and there is nobody stepping forward to provide leadership.

There is no leadership on the park. Nobody is taking the team by the baws and putting the squeeze on when things are goign wrong. Especially not from Rob Jones. A church dormouse would make more noise. Its about time Jones was stripped of the captaincy and the armband given to Ian Murray.

We've got a very poor manager who is WAY out of his depth, who doesnt know what he's doing regarding tactics and team selection, and provides no leadership. He just tinkers about with team selection and plays people who let the side down the week before. None of those players looked fearful of their place in the team as they trooped off today. Just heads down. Thats diabolical.

We've got a board who dont seem to realise that theres more to running a club than making the books balance and doing everything on the cheap. If making the book's balance and doing everything on the cheap is what they specialise in they should all feck off and open up an Ali's Cave.

We've got an owner who simply is NOT INTERESTED. (Except in property speculation and asset stripping). He's finished asset-stripping the club - all the land deals are done and dusted, all the best players are flogged off - but he hasnt even got the decency to put the club up for sale. What's he waiting for?

Tom Farmer is supposed to be a top businessman. In that case he will fully understand that the rot starts with him, just as the buck stops with him.

Depressing.

gotta say, dunno if i could spot that expression on their face. to me it was more obvious in their lack of anything resembling motivation.

100% agree though, problems lie deep. but they always have with hibs, and im sure they will for a long time to come. we've been in worse situations and we always seem to do ok. i said at the start of the season that I didn't expect mixu to work wonders, and that I would have thought it would take him until at least the summer to make his mark. it seems like he has made his mark quicker than I expected, but in all the wrong ways.

[Greenmachine]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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Today was poor. But it wont change for the better this season. There's more of today's dross on the horizon.

Its getting more noticeable that Hibs as a club - on and off the field - are drifting along rudderless and there is nobody stepping forward to provide leadership.

There is no leadership on the park. Nobody is taking the team by the baws and putting the squeeze on when things are goign wrong. Especially not from Rob Jones. A church dormouse would make more noise. Its about time Jones was stripped of the captaincy and the armband given to Ian Murray.

We've got a very poor manager who is WAY out of his depth, who doesnt know what he's doing regarding tactics and team selection, and provides no leadership. He just tinkers about with team selection and plays people who let the side down the week before. None of those players looked fearful of their place in the team as they trooped off today. Just heads down. Thats diabolical.

We've got a board who dont seem to realise that theres more to running a club than making the books balance and doing everything on the cheap. If making the book's balance and doing everything on the cheap is what they specialise in they should all feck off and open up an Ali's Cave.

We've got an owner who simply is NOT INTERESTED. (Except in property speculation and asset stripping). He's finished asset-stripping the club - all the land deals are done and dusted, all the best players are flogged off - but he hasnt even got the decency to put the club up for sale. What's he waiting for?

Tom Farmer is supposed to be a top businessman. In that case he will fully understand that the rot starts with him, just as the buck stops with him.

Depressing.

Completely agree with all of that..

I haven't felt as depressed and totally pissed off with Hibs as I did today. I never thought I would ever say this, but if things don't change at Easter Road soon, this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. I really don't want to watch a bunch of guys masquerading as footballers playing a style of football more akin to a primary school team every week. We are a shambles. There are clearly problems behind the scenes as half of the players looked like they didn't want to play today. The team set-up is nothing short of embarrasing, and Mixu looks to me as if he has lost the dressing room.

[Frenchman]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine
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Completely agree with all of that..

I haven't felt as depressed and totally pissed off with Hibs as I did today. I never thought I would ever say this, but if things don't change at Easter Road soon, this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. I really don't want to watch a bunch of players masquerading as footballers playing a style of football more akin to a primary school team every week. We are a shambles. There are clearly problems behind the scenes as half of the players looked like the didn't want to play today. The team set-up is nothing short of embarrasing, and Mixu looks to me as if he has lost the dressing room.

I left before the end today - the first time I have ever done that - because I was embarrassed! We are rudderless and drifting. Week after week we make the most elementary mistakes, and we hear the manager talk his way out of it , just as he did pre-season. Just watch the attendances plummet in the very near future. I have a season ticket, but even with this, I will think twice about turning up to watch such as I saw this afternoon. That was a team that was humiliated last week by Rangers, and they deserved to beat us!

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Frenchman
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I left before the end today - the first time I have ever done that - because I was embarrassed! We are rudderless and drifting. Week after week we make the most elementary mistakes, and we hear the manager talk his way out of it , just as he did pre-season. Just watch the attendances plummet in the very near future. I have a season ticket, but even with this, I will think twice about turning up to watch such as I saw this afternoon. That was a team that was humiliated last week by Rangers, and they deserved to beat us!

Sadly you're right Frenchy. I stayed to the bitter end but one of my mates left early and waited for me outside because he couldnt bear watching that p1ss that was served p today.

[GalegoHibs]

[quote=Greenmachine;946677]Completely agree with all of that..

I haven't felt as depressed and totally pissed off with Hibs as I did today. I never thought I would ever say this, but if things don't change at Easter Road soon, this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. I really don't want to watch a bunch of guys masquerading as footballers playing a style of football more akin to a primary school team every week. We are a shambles. There are clearly problems behind the scenes as half of the players looked like they didn't want to play today. The team set-up is nothing short of embarrasing, and Mixu looks to me as if he has lost the dressing room.[/QUOTE]

Worrying stuff on this thread. Some of it from people who I wouldn't consider to be in the "bedwetters" category. The question could be: Has Mixu got a decent plan for the dressing room?
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[SkyeHibs]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine
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Completely agree with all of that..

I haven't felt as depressed and totally pissed off with Hibs as I did today. I never thought I would ever say this, but if things don't change at Easter Road soon, this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. I really don't want to watch a bunch of guys masquerading as footballers playing a style of football more akin to a primary school team every week. We are a shambles. There are clearly problems behind the scenes as half of the players looked like they didn't want to play today. The team set-up is nothing short of embarrasing, and Mixu looks to me as if he has lost the dressing room.

That's how I feel as well. Living in Skye I do not get to many games but have kept my season ticket. You travel in hope rather than expectation and frankly we should have been looking forward to thumping an out of sorts and poor ICT yet we are looking at another three cheap points given away at home at what should be fortress Easter Road. It looks at the moment that it is going to be a long hard season without too many highlights. I am struggling to think of any game this season where we have played really well.

[Hibeewilly]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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Today was poor. But it wont change for the better this season. There's more of today's dross on the horizon.

Its getting more noticeable that Hibs as a club - on and off the field - are drifting along rudderless and there is nobody stepping forward to provide leadership.

There is no leadership on the park. Nobody is taking the team by the baws and putting the squeeze on when things are goign wrong. Especially not from Rob Jones. A church dormouse would make more noise. Its about time Jones was stripped of the captaincy and the armband given to Ian Murray.

We've got a very poor manager who is WAY out of his depth, who doesnt know what he's doing regarding tactics and team selection, and provides no leadership. He just tinkers about with team selection and plays people who let the side down the week before. None of those players looked fearful of their place in the team as they trooped off today. Just heads down. Thats diabolical.

We've got a board who dont seem to realise that theres more to running a club than making the books balance and doing everything on the cheap. If making the book's balance and doing everything on the cheap is what they specialise in they should all feck off and open up an Ali's Cave.

We've got an owner who simply is NOT INTERESTED. (Except in property speculation and asset stripping). He's finished asset-stripping the club - all the land deals are done and dusted, all the best players are flogged off - but he hasnt even got the decency to put the club up for sale. What's he waiting for?

Tom Farmer is supposed to be a top businessman. In that case he will fully understand that the rot starts with him, just as the buck stops with him.

Depressing.

Good post mate. Mixu is absolutely fnuckin clueless. We see it week in week out. He has to go and as I said in previous posts we will be fighting relegation this year. However its up to Tannadice on Wed and probably another torturous journey home!! Please resign now please Mixu!
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[single malt]

just thinking about the difference a man(ager) with a plan can make...

...did Mogga make any new signings to add to the Blobby team (except for Boozy & Shiels...and a few cameos from Morrow)?

Within 4 weeks we had gone from Vetra (Blobby-style shambles) to a 4-4 with Dundee (Colin Murdock shipping in goals aplenty for the Cogies) to then literally passing teams off the park and out the stadium.

Pretty sure that was with the same nucleus blobby had.

My point, of course, is that with the personnel we have, somewhere between 3 & 5 in the league is a minimum expectation.

With the way they're going, 11th would be a relief

[Frenchman]

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just thinking about the difference a man(ager) with a plan can make...

...did Mogga make any new signings to add to the Blobby team (except for Boozy & Shiels...and a few cameos from Morrow)?

Within 4 weeks we had gone from Vetra (Blobby-style shambles) to a 4-4 with Dundee (Colin Murdock shipping in goals aplenty for the Cogies) to then literally passing teams off the park and out the stadium.

Pretty sure that was with the same nucleus blobby had.

My point, of course, is that with the personnel we have, somewhere between 3 & 5 in the league is a minimum expectation.

With the way they're going, 11th would be a relief

You are right, of course. A good manager who knows what he is doing, who knows how to manage players, makes all the difference (Harry at Spurs). And, you know, I have been criticising Jones freely, but in fairness to the guy, the standard of managerial coaching has probably also plummeted. Tony Mowbray would probably have ironed out a lot of the guy's faults by now. It is noticeable that his performances, in my opinion, have deteriorated under Collins and certainly under Mixu.

[pete b]

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You are right, of course. A good manager who knows what he is doing, who knows how to manage players, makes all the difference (Harry at Spurs). And, you know, I have been criticising Jones freely, but in fairness to the guy, the standard of managerial coaching has probably also plummeted. Tony Mowbray would probably have ironed out a lot of the guy's faults by now. It is noticeable that his performances, in my opinion, have deteriorated under Collins and certainly under Mixu.

Spot on I was a big fan of mixu as a player and hes a geniuinly nice guy but theres no place for sentiment hes not got what it takes to be a top manager it is glaringly obvious its time for him to step down.Dont know whos going to replace him but we cant go on like this much longer.

[Nabbz]

There seems to be absolutely zero leadership or vision at ER at the moment and it pains my heart to watch HFC struggle against far inferior teams.

Never made the highest level but played football and whilst i looked to my Manager for general direction, pre-match or at half-time team talk, i didnt need him to hold my hand.
Everytime i laced up my boots i tryed to play to the best of my abilities and granted some games didnt go my way, i at least give 100% and for that i was never faulted.

Do 11 grown men really need inspiration from their Manager??
When Mixu hands out the Green shirts does he need to hand out his notebook on how he thinks the game should be played at 3pm??
Yes indeed it is great to have a captain who motivates and spurs on his team mates,to have a Manager who commands such respect that the players would go through a brick wall for him and for that very man to have tactics that differ from game to game to ensure win after win but it would be better IMO if every player on the pitch took some responsbility for their game and did what they are paid (and very well!) to do!
Maybe then HFC will be great again.

They dont play for Mixu or anybody at the sidelines.
They dont play for whoever wears the armband.
They should play for the badge and for the fans who will be there when they are long gone!!
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[Frenchman]

Originally Posted by Nabbz
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There seems to be absolutely zero leadership or vision at ER at the moment and it pains my heart to watch HFC struggle against far inferior teams.

Never made the highest level but played football and whilst i looked to my Manager for general direction, pre-match or at half-time team talk, i didnt need him to hold my hand.
Everytime i laced up my boots i tryed to play to the best of my abilities and granted some games didnt go my way, i at least give 100% and for that i was never faulted.

Do 11 grown men really need inspiration from their Manager??
When Mixu hands out the Green shirts does he need to hand out his notebook on how he thinks the game should be played at 3pm??
Yes indeed it is great to have a captain who motivates and spurs on his team mates,to have a Manager who commands such respect that the players would go through a brick wall for him and for that very man to have tactics that differ from game to game to ensure win after win but it would be better IMO if every player on the pitch took some responsbility for their game and did what they are paid (and very well!) to do!
Maybe then HFC will be great again.

They dont play for Mixu or anybody at the sidelines.
They dont play for whoever wears the armband.
They should play for the badge and for the fans who will be there when they are long gone!!
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You are right that players must take responsibility for how they perform, but a manager who is imposing upon them tactics which are clearly not working is surely having an adverse effect on team performance. And what if the players in his charge do not agree with these tactics? What are they to do? If they disagree, they are seen as rebels.
We are currently being overrun in the midfield, week in, week out. The players look to me to be at a loss.

[Frenchman]

Originally Posted by Frenchman
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You are right that players must take responsibility for how they perform, but a manager who is imposing upon them tactics which are clearly not working is surely having an adverse effect on team performance. And what if the players in his charge do not agree with these tactics? What are they to do? If they disagree, they are seen as rebels.
We are currently being overrun in the midfield, week in, week out. The players look to me to be at a loss.

The analogy I would make is the army. You may have the bravest soldiers on the planet, but if the commanding officer gets the tactics wrong, as many claimed happened in WW1, the result is disaster.

[Nabbz]

I would agree wholeheartedly Frenchman and many would aswell that Mixu's current formation/tactics are not working but i dont buy into the notion that the players are not performing solely due to them.
My point was that i would like to see abit more from all the players and it not matter to me a jot if they like the formation or tactics.
If they cant improve their own game then they should be binned.
I witnessed Caley game and indeed the players looked to be at a loss but for crying out loud they are not Under11's.
Just hoping for abit more desire from each and every one who wears the Green&White jersey.
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[Frenchman]

Originally Posted by Nabbz
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I would agree wholeheartedly Frenchman and many would aswell that Mixu's current formation/tactics are not working but i dont buy into the notion that the players are not performing solely due to them.
My point was that i would like to see abit more from all the players and it not matter to me a jot if they like the formation or tactics.
If they cant improve their own game then they should be binned.
I witnessed Caley game and indeed the players looked to be at a loss but for crying out loud they are not Under11's.
Just hoping for abit more desire from each and every one who wears the Green&White jersey.
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Nabbz, a bit of both, I agree. Did you see Bamba's press article today about being overrun in midfield?

[Nabbz]

Yes mate, read it and its a shocker that a player needs to tell the Manager that his Midfield is struggling!
The gaps are sooo apparent it is breathtaking!
I liked the look of Bamba in his first game against Arabs and thought he done well against Caley.
Not more than a couple did that game.
Why not try Thicot and Keenan with Bamba doing the spade work tonight?
Would prefer 4 across middle though.
Will Pinau start tonight??
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