my opinions on the current situation

[madkink]

In reading the forums over the past couple off days i am amazed how attitudes are changing as quick as the weather ATM,

i would agree with those that RP has either got to open the safe or open the exit door for himself,

but we are 1 game into a long season and already there is people who are saying that they want Mixu to leave, can you people answer me one thing WHY? after 10 games without a win, i may start to agree things need changing

I along with alot off people said that with the position Mixu was brought in on, i would wait till the start off the season before i start to make a judgement on him, Last season was damage limitation, which he did IMO, And ok we lost, but 1 game out off how many?

so far he brought us out off the relegation battle last season, WHEN IT COUNTED, to me that is worth something,

Pre-season was a downer, but what does that mean, nothing IMO,

and from what i hear he had the team looking good, and a few errors caused the goal (and were we not down to 10 men at the time?)

I wasn't at the match, and was unable to listen to it, but from what i have heard/seen we did very well,

The only issue i see is with the board/ownership,

IMO we should be getting behind the manager and team at this time, it's obvious that RP and the gang aren't giving any,

And a message to those who say mixu should go, get a life and get behind the team and the manager

[arthurduncan]

i agree with this - big man has his heart and head in just about the right place - he has a lot to learn and has made a couple of mistakes - but all of our recent managers including St Tony made some odd tactical decisions, same with Mixu - but you can't call for his head just cause he takes off Alan O Brien or doesn't put Yantorno in the starting 11 etc. Most of what he does is more than just OK. My only concern is whether he has the respect of all the team - some rumours say no - but that makes me think we should root out the traitors in the dressing room and get shot of them rather than Mixu. The big man will have my support until our position makes that impossible and we wont really know our true position until nearer Xmas.

[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by madkink
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In reading the forums over the past couple off days i am amazed how attitudes are changing as quick as the weather ATM,

i would agree with those that RP has either got to open the safe or open the exit door for himself,

but we are 1 game into a long season and already there is people who are saying that they want Mixu to leave, can you people answer me one thing WHY? after 10 games without a win, i may start to agree things need changing
I along with alot off people said that with the position Mixu was brought in on, i would wait till the start off the season before i start to make a judgement on him, Last season was damage limitation, which he did IMO, And ok we lost, but 1 game out off how many?

so far he brought us out off the relegation battle last season, WHEN IT COUNTED, to me that is worth something,

Pre-season was a downer, but what does that mean, nothing IMO,

and from what i hear he had the team looking good, and a few errors caused the goal (and were we not down to 10 men at the time?)

I wasn't at the match, and was unable to listen to it, but from what i have heard/seen we did very well,

The only issue i see is with the board/ownership,

IMO we should be getting behind the manager and team at this time, it's obvious that RP and the gang aren't giving any,

And a message to those who say mixu should go, get a life and get behind the team and the manager

Hibs haven't won a game in 14 matches (including friendlies). I want Mixu to succeed and for this club to be successful BUT I don't think he has the right mix (of experience/contacts/tatical knowledge) at the moment.There have been very little improvements both tactically and technically. In 14 games you would expect something to be put in place and worked on.

If you have crap quality and you get 11 palyers working hard/working for each other you can give any team in the world a game to a certain point and class takes over.

In the time Mixu has been here there have been very few fully committed performances from the players - are they playing for the manager - lost confidence in him ?

As I keep saying it's not his fault he was thrown in at the deep end as he wasn't the best choice at the start and he hasn't got the boards backing.

So until the board gets sorted out we will keep bringing in low experienced/cheap managers who are hoped to do a job with little/no cash. Not what this club/us as fans deserve!

[madkink]

Originally Posted by Mix Master Mikez
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Hibs haven't won a game in 14 matches (including friendlies). I want Mixu to succeed and for this club to be successful BUT I don't think he has the right mix (of experience/contacts/tatical knowledge) at the moment.There have been very little improvements both tactically and technically. In 14 games you would expect something to be put in place and worked on.

If you have crap quality and you get 11 palyers working hard/working for each other you can give any team in the world a game to a certain point and class takes over.

In the time Mixu has been here there have been very few fully committed performances from the players - are they playing for the manager - lost confidence in him ?

As I keep saying it's not his fault he was thrown in at the deep end as he wasn't the best choice at the start and he hasn't got the boards backing.

So until the board gets sorted out we will keep bringing in low experienced/cheap managers who are hoped to do a job with little/no cash. Not what this club/us as fans deserve!

friendlies mean nothing and IMO should not be counted, as this is the time to try new things and it's not fair to asses on that bases, which it seems was done to a degree,

Mixu is a new manager, especially at SPL level, he has alot to learn, and yes he will make mistakes, but the main thing is, will he learn from them, if he does then he will be a good manager, mayby even great, if he doesn't then what can we do, RP won't pay out for a proven manager, going back to my original point, the issue is with RP and his cronies

[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by madkink
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friendlies mean nothing and IMO should not be counted, as this is the time to try new things and it's not fair to asses on that bases, which it seems was done to a degree,

Mixu is a new manager, especially at SPL level, he has alot to learn, and yes he will make mistakes, but the main thing is, will he learn from them, if he does then he will be a good manager, mayby even great, if he doesn't then what can we do, RP won't pay out for a proven manager, going back to my original point, the issue is with RP and his cronies

I 100% agree the root of the problems at this club is STF and RP and will be till they leave/move on.

Friendlies are used to have a go at different shapes etc but I don't think they can be totally written off. Wins breed confidence and if they were such a waste of time then why play them.

My worry is that Mixu is a new manager and yes he does have a lot to learn but how long do we give him ? The board should have appointed someone with experience to balance the ship after JC left but they went for the cheap option....again.....and it's backfired.....like Sauzee....again!

[jokohibo]

IMO i dont think Miux was the right appointment for the club and the fans. You need someone thats going to lift the whole place, the type of manager who can take the players to the next level just with words, he just doesnt have that spark.

When he was appointed i think most fans thought ah well, we will just have to wait & see, but to be hounest he was never going to be the next TM, i agree he did steady the ship at the end of the season, but thats all he done, he simply did not take us up a notch.

The thing is there have been plenty other managers out there in the past that have won Scottsh cups with less money to work with than Hibs, but somehow seem to get the best out of bad bunch.

I think the way his body language is, reflects on the way the team play, this job may have come to soon for him, but the thing is he is still a legend in my eyes.

I may be wrong , but i think he just does not have that zest to get the whole place buzzing & fire us up the league.

[madkink]

Originally Posted by Mix Master Mikez
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I 100% agree the root of the problems at this club is STF and RP and will be till they leave/move on.

Friendlies are used to have a go at different shapes etc but I don't think they can be totally written off. Wins breed confidence and if they were such a waste of time then why play them.

My worry is that Mixu is a new manager and yes he does have a lot to learn but how long do we give him ? The board should have appointed someone with experience to balance the ship after JC left but they went for the cheap option....again.....and it's backfired.....like Sauzee....again!

but surely trying things and finding they don't work is better than winning a friendly,

If we had won some off the friendlies i'm sure this conversation wouldn't be happening,

Expierience costs money, and again to play the record again RP won't spend out,

i wouldn't go as far as to say anything has backfired yet, and i hope it doesn't

[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by madkink
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but surely trying things and finding they don't work is better than winning a friendly,

If we had won some off the friendlies i'm sure this conversation wouldn't be happening,

Expierience costs money, and again to play the record again RP won't spend out,

i wouldn't go as far as to say anything has backfired yet, and i hope it doesn't

I think we asre going to have to agree to disagree about the friendlies. If I was manager yes I would try new things but would also want to install a winning mentality which then breeds confidence. Ok we were never going to beat Barca but the Clyde/Raith/Cowdenbeath games...?

Agree experience costs money but the team badly needs some in several areas.

As for backfiring I think Mixu will do very well to turn things around and get the crowds back to ER like Mowbray - so after all Mowbrays great work I feel we have gone backwards when we really should have pushed away from the rest.

[madkink]

Originally Posted by Mix Master Mikez
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I think we asre going to have to agree to disagree about the friendlies. If I was manager yes I would try new things but would also want to install a winning mentality which then breeds confidence. Ok we were never going to beat Barca but the Clyde/Raith/Cowdenbeath games...?

Agree experience costs money but the team badly needs some in several areas.

As for backfiring I think Mixu will do very well to turn things around and get the crowds back to ER like Mowbray - so after all Mowbrays great work I feel we have gone backwards when we really should have pushed away from the rest.

i agree that winning would have given confidence to he team, and we should have won the games mentioned, however the system employed obviously didn't work and i'd much rather lose and find out the system sucked than win and find out the system is no good in the SPL

[GalegoHibs]

Originally Posted by Mix Master Mikez
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I 100% agree the root of the problems at this club is STF and RP and will be till they leave/move on.

Friendlies are used to have a go at different shapes etc but I don't think they can be totally written off. Wins breed confidence and if they were such a waste of time then why play them.

My worry is that Mixu is a new manager and yes he does have a lot to learn but how long do we give him ? The board should have appointed someone with experience to balance the ship after JC left but they went for the cheap option....again.....and it's backfired.....like Sauzee....again!

I agree with most of this post, especially the bit in bold. In addition to your points, I wonder what part the friendlies played in deciding the minds of fans who were swithering on wether or not to buy season tickets? Big cash losses. Also, fringe players should've been making a great effort to push their way into the manager's plans. Points are not lost in friendlies but when we played so many, I think a lot more can be read into them than many claim.

Hence I was not in the least bit shocked by yesterday's result. Does sound like we were a bit unlucky to lose the game but let's face it, many Hibs manager's have lost a Kilmarnock. But putting it into the bigger picture as you do, Mike - worrying times obviously.

I also agree with Madkink's point about some fans changing their view as often as the wind. The vast majority of the fans were in favour of giving Mixu time - ranging from a month to Xmas or more indefinitely. Not the impression you get on here just now after only one narrow loss in a league game.

[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by GalegoHibs
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I agree with most of this post, especially the bit in bold. In addition to your points, I wonder what part the friendlies played in deciding the minds of fans who were swithering on wether or not to buy season tickets? Big cash losses. Also, fringe players should've been making a great effort to push their way into the manager's plans. Points are not lost in friendlies but when we played so many, I think a lot more can be read into them than many claim.
Hence I was not in the least bit shocked by yesterday's result. Does sound like we were a bit unlucky to lose the game but let's face it, many Hibs manager's have lost a Kilmarnock. But putting it into the bigger picture as you do, Mike - worrying times obviously.

I also agree with Madkink's point about some fans changing their view as often as the wind. The vast majority of the fans were in favour of giving Mixu time - ranging from a month to Xmas or more indefinitely. Not the impression you get on here just now after only one narrow loss in a league game.

Yeah some good points in there. Like you said I wasn't surprised we lost yesterday - thats sad as we should be aiming to be winning these games and not just thinking same old Hibs.

I agree alot of fans have changed thier mind about Mixu - myself well I wished him good luck but was never confident he was the man for the job.

The part in bold is very well put and people write friendlies off but any fan who was seeing the trends in the game realised it wasn't one off mistakes but instead we were lacking quality and any shape/form/system of play.

[Cantona]

Originally Posted by madkink
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already there is people who are saying that they want Mixu to leave, can you people answer me one thing WHY? after 10 games without a win,

I think you have just answered your own question.


For the record its now 14 games without a win.

[blue toon hibby]

No one is in any doubt that Mixu was short on SPL management experience when he arrived. So was Mowbray, so was Collins. Mowbray had the fortune of an excellent crop of youngsters and the balls to blood them. Collins watched as they were sold from under him. Collins talked the talk and preached what he had practised during his playing career to great effect. Unfortunately, his playing staff took umbrage and ran to the Headmaster to complain. Collins either stood by his principles or bottled it, depending on how you care to interpret his departure. Personally, I go for the "bottled" option.
Enter Mixu and he is handed a squad littered with players whom he sees as not fit for purpose and is given little resources to change things. But he is changing things, and I think he needs our backing and our patience. It will not happen overnight. If we hound Mixu out of the job this season, I can only see things spiralling downwards. Appoint a more experienced manager? The names Williamson, Duffy and Scott spring to mind. Let's give Mixu our support and not turn our manager's position into a more poisoned chalice than we like to think the Hearts job is.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by blue toon hibby
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No one is in any doubt that Mixu was short on SPL management experience when he arrived. So was Mowbray, so was Collins. Mowbray had the fortune of an excellent crop of youngsters and the balls to blood them. Collins watched as they were sold from under him. Collins talked the talk and preached what he had practised during his playing career to great effect. Unfortunately, his playing staff took umbrage and ran to the Headmaster to complain. Collins either stood by his principles or bottled it, depending on how you care to interpret his departure. Personally, I go for the "bottled" option.
Enter Mixu and he is handed a squad littered with players whom he sees as not fit for purpose and is given little resources to change things. But he is changing things, and I think he needs our backing and our patience. It will not happen overnight. If we hound Mixu out of the job this season, I can only see things spiralling downwards. Appoint a more experienced manager? The names Williamson, Duffy and Scott spring to mind. Let's give Mixu our support and not turn our manager's position into a more poisoned chalice than we like to think the Hearts job is.

As i've already stated elsewhere folk don't seem willing to give anyone any time at all these days, especially in fitba. Most folk nowadays want it all and want it now!
I for one am getting really fucking tired of the constant moaning going on on this particular site.
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[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by blue toon hibby
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No one is in any doubt that Mixu was short on SPL management experience when he arrived. So was Mowbray, so was Collins. Mowbray had the fortune of an excellent crop of youngsters and the balls to blood them. Collins watched as they were sold from under him. Collins talked the talk and preached what he had practised during his playing career to great effect. Unfortunately, his playing staff took umbrage and ran to the Headmaster to complain. Collins either stood by his principles or bottled it, depending on how you care to interpret his departure. Personally, I go for the "bottled" option.
Enter Mixu and he is handed a squad littered with players whom he sees as not fit for purpose and is given little resources to change things. But he is changing things, and I think he needs our backing and our patience. It will not happen overnight. If we hound Mixu out of the job this season, I can only see things spiralling downwards. Appoint a more experienced manager? The names Williamson, Duffy and Scott spring to mind. Let's give Mixu our support and not turn our manager's position into a more poisoned chalice than we like to think the Hearts job is.

The reality is that Blobby actually fielded the young players and gave them a chance. Basically as he had no other option. The only good thing he did during his time at ER!

As for JC - similiar to whats happening right now with Mixu. He's lost the dressing room as he was told by the board certain things and these promises weren't kept and the players think Mixu is in the wrong.

I think your making the whole issue too complicated - when it's actually quaite straightforward. The board/RP/STF who are the root of many of our problems at the club.

[blue toon hibby]

Originally Posted by Mix Master Mikez
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The reality is that Blobby actually fielded the young players and gave them a chance. Basically as he had no other option. The only good thing he did during his time at ER!

As for JC - similiar to whats happening right now with Mixu. He's lost the dressing room as he was told by the board certain things and these promises weren't kept and the players think Mixu is in the wrong.

I think your making the whole issue too complicated - when it's actually quaite straightforward. The board/RP/STF who are the root of many of our problems at the club.

Sorry if what I said was too complicated for you. I'm not disputing the root of many of our problems. All I'm saying is we should be supporting our manager in his attempts to get around these problems instead of hounding him out and stacking up the problems for his successor.

[Mix Master Mikez]

Originally Posted by cavalier
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As i've already stated elsewhere folk don't seem willing to give anyone any time at all these days, especially in fitba. Most folk nowadays want it all and want it now!
I for one am getting really fucking tired of the constant moaning going on on this particular site.
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I agree there is alot of moaning on this site and hibs.net. But thats what you get when you get treated like a mugg by your own club/family.

People will always want to moan about something - life would be boring without moaners! But right now I feel people really have a right to moan especially if you spent your well earned money on a very expensive season ticket (more than last year!) for a worse product on the park.

Agreed with so much at stake thesedays people are hardly given time as especially at the top level their is so much money at stake the margin between doing well and failing is very fine.

Slightly off Hibs BUT....when was the last time Chelsea brought through a youngster ? They need instant success - and don't have time to mess around and give them a chance. Thats what football is about thesedays sadly!

[madkink]

Originally Posted by Cantona
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I think you have just answered your own question.


For the record its now 14 games without a win.

i also said that i wasn't judging him (as others also agreed) until now, we have only played 1 game this season, and that is what counts, this season and the points we may or may not get

Originally Posted by blue toon hibby
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No one is in any doubt that Mixu was short on SPL management experience when he arrived. So was Mowbray, so was Collins. Mowbray had the fortune of an excellent crop of youngsters and the balls to blood them. Collins watched as they were sold from under him. Collins talked the talk and preached what he had practised during his playing career to great effect. Unfortunately, his playing staff took umbrage and ran to the Headmaster to complain. Collins either stood by his principles or bottled it, depending on how you care to interpret his departure. Personally, I go for the "bottled" option.
Enter Mixu and he is handed a squad littered with players whom he sees as not fit for purpose and is given little resources to change things. But he is changing things, and I think he needs our backing and our patience. It will not happen overnight. If we hound Mixu out of the job this season, I can only see things spiralling downwards. Appoint a more experienced manager? The names Williamson, Duffy and Scott spring to mind. Let's give Mixu our support and not turn our manager's position into a more poisoned chalice than we like to think the Hearts job is.

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Originally Posted by cavalier
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As i've already stated elsewhere folk don't seem willing to give anyone any time at all these days, especially in fitba. Most folk nowadays want it all and want it now!
I for one am getting really fucking tired of the constant moaning going on on this particular site.
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part off the reason for my OP