Hibs v Barcelona and Where the money goes

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It's just my guess but what I think happens for the Hibs v Barcelona match is that Hibs will get a small appearance fee for providing the oppostion and Platinum One (run by a Sheep and a 'famous' Jambo) and will hire the venue from the SRU and guarantee Barcelona's appearance fee and will take a profit on the rest.

The money is certainly not going to UNICEF and I wouldn't have thought Hibs will make much out of this and it's interesting as to what Platinum One's break even number is because 20,000 is looking like a very decent crowd.
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It's just my guess but what I think happens for the Hibs v Barcelona match is that Hibs will get a small appearance fee for providing the oppostion and Platinum One (run by a Sheep and a Jambo)

And a Hibby - Scott Hastings is one of the four Sports Directors
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It's just my guess but what I think happens for the Hibs v Barcelona match is that Hibs will get a small appearance fee for providing the oppostion and Platinum One (run by a Sheep and a 'famous' Jambo) and will hire the venue from the SRU and guarantee Barcelona's appearance fee and will take a profit on the rest.

The money is certainly not going to UNICEF and I wouldn't have thought Hibs will make much out of this and it's interesting as to what Platinum One's break even number is because 20,000 is looking like a very decent crowd.
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What do you mean by that? I believe a percentage of the money will be going to UNICEF or do you have evidence to the contrary? Of course, it won't be much. But I'd imagine most people are aware of that and that it is not the principle reason for going to the game.

Anyone can put money in a charity box on the street any day of the week - although they should be aware that not all of it will be going directly to the people who need it most either (admin costs, paying the staff, etc.)

Who's going to see Hibs v Barça because (a little) money is going to charity and who's going because they don't get world-class stars playing against Hibs too often?
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It's just my guess but what I think happens for the Hibs v Barcelona match is that Hibs will get a small appearance fee for providing the oppostion and Platinum One (run by a Sheep and a 'famous' Jambo) and will hire the venue from the SRU and guarantee Barcelona's appearance fee and will take a profit on the rest.

The money is certainly not going to UNICEF and I wouldn't have thought Hibs will make much out of this and it's interesting as to what Platinum One's break even number is because 20,000 is looking like a very decent crowd.
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My guess is that Hibs will get about £50k appearance money (though I did hear from somewhere that the only money Hibs would get would be the interest from the money from the tickets sold, but that sounds unlikely to me tbh). I would suspect that Barca will get a sum which will cover their costs in Scotland (ie hotels etc). The SRU will get a fee for the hire of Murrayfield. And Platinum One will get a straight management fee, plus potential bonuses, but will also be guaranteeing to cover any losses. And I would suspect there will be pretty substantial losses given all the fees to be paid.

After all that was paid for, the remainder would be going to UNICEF.

[SlovSam]

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What do you mean by that? I believe a percentage of the money will be going to UNICEF or do you have evidence to the contrary? Of course, it won't be much. But I'd imagine most people are aware of that and that it is not the principle reason for going to the game.

Anyone can put money in a charity box on the street any day of the week - although they should be aware that not all of it will be going directly to the people who need it most either (admin costs, paying the staff, etc.)

Who's going to see Hibs v Barça because (a little) money is going to charity and who's going because they don't get world-class stars playing against Hibs too often?
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What I mean is that I have scoured the Hibs website, then the Barcelona website then the UNICEF and BBC and TVE websites and finally the company that is organising the game namely Platinum 1 and no -one is claiming any proceeds from this game are going to UNICEF.

It would be a useful marketing tool to advertise the game as such as was done for the Celtic v Benfica UNICEF benefit game but none of the parties involved seem to have made any effort to promote the game along these lines which is surprising.

I agree with you that whether UNICEF are involved at all wouldn't make any difference to most people attendance or otherwise and it may well be that a fixed fee to the management company and a % of the rest to UNICEF is the split.
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It would have useful to have any of the parties acknowledge this as I'd quite like to think that some of my £30 would go to such a worthwhile cause as UNICEF rather than a club with such a kid on and made up history....and that's not Hibs.
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Originally Posted by SlovSam
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What I mean is that I have scoured the Hibs website, then the Barcelona website then the UNICEF and BBC and TVE websites and finally the company that is organising the game namely Platinum 1 and no -one is claiming any proceeds from this game are going to UNICEF.

It would be a useful marketing tool to advertise the game as such as was done for the Celtic v Benfica UNICEF benefit game but none of the parties involved seem to have made any effort to promote the game along these lines which is surprising.

I agree with you that whether UNICEF are involved at all wouldn't make any difference to most people attendance or otherwise and it may well be that a fixed fee to the management company and a % of the rest to UNICEF is the split.
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It would have useful to have any of the parties acknowledge this as I'd quite like to think that some of my £30 would go to such a worthwhile cause as UNICEF rather than a club with such a kid on and made up history....and that's not Hibs.
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Interesting posts. I see what you're saying. It may well be that you are right that no-one is claiming any benefits from this game go to UNICEF. Perhaps it's a bit of an urban myth revolving around an iniciative Barça set up with UNICEF a couple of years ago. See English entry near the bottom of this link:

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So it may be that some funds from this game will trickle down to UNICEF - then again, maybe not. It will be interesting to see if Barça wear those UNICEF shirts for this game - not that that will prove anything of course.

It sounds as if you are going to the game anyway. What intrigues me about some of those who are not going and whose argument comes down to over-commercialisation and big bucks - are some of the very same who are happy enough to go to Glasgow and give their money to other over-privileged clubs with kid on and made up histories.
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[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by GalegoHibs
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Interesting posts. I see what you're saying. It may well be that you are right that no-one is claiming any benefits from this game go to UNICEF. Perhaps it's a bit of an urban myth revolving around an iniciative Barça set up with UNICEF a couple of years ago. See English entry near the bottom of this link:

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So it may be that some funds from this game will trickle down to UNICEF - then again, maybe not. It will be interesting to see if Barça wear those UNICEF shirts for this game - not that that will prove anything of course.

It sounds as if you are going to the game anyway. What intrigues me about some of those who are not going and whose argument comes down to over-commercialisation and big bucks - are some of the very same who are happy enough to go to Glasgow and give their money to other over-privileged clubs with kid on and made up histories.
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It's a game I'm really looking forward to even though I know it will be a training exercise post half time when 10 Barca subby's will appear.

Nonetheless Hibs v Barcelona is a unique one off event that is almost never going to happen in a competitive enviroment as it's hard to see Barcelona falling as low as the UEFA cup just as much sadly as it's hard to see Hibs ever making the UEFA cup group stages.

You are right though there seems to be some real hard core hibby's deliberately missing this game but who will be happy to pay £20 to watch Hibs v Hamilton or as you say £25 against Celtc or 'Scotland's Shame'.
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It's a strange one and a debate I've specifically kept out of as I would have fallen out with somebody.
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To which part of the kid on History of Barca are you alluding to Sam?

[Cantona]

Is it just a coinincedence that Hibs are having to play a game at Murrayfield and Gavin Hastings is on the board of Platinum One.
Not sure if Hastings have anything to do with the SRU these days but it does seem a bit strange.
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Interesting posts. I see what you're saying. It may well be that you are right that no-one is claiming any benefits from this game go to UNICEF. Perhaps it's a bit of an urban myth revolving around an iniciative Barça set up with UNICEF a couple of years ago. See English entry near the bottom of this link:

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So it may be that some funds from this game will trickle down to UNICEF - then again, maybe not. It will be interesting to see if Barça wear those UNICEF shirts for this game - not that that will prove anything of course.

It sounds as if you are going to the game anyway. What intrigues me about some of those who are not going and whose argument comes down to over-commercialisation and big bucks - are some of the very same who are happy enough to go to Glasgow and give their money to other over-privileged clubs with kid on and made up histories.
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I was under the impression they wore shirts with UNICEF on the front all last season and am expecting them to do the same come Thursday night. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Barcelona donate money to UNICEF for having thier name on the front of thier tops - this in world football is unique I think ?
They are also going to be supporting a Catalan badge which is trying to promote the Catalan tourist industry.

Hopefully they will will their traditional home top as thier is no clash unlike when they played the yams and they had to wear thier orange away tops!

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Originally Posted by Cantona
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Is it just a coinincedence that Hibs are having to play a game at Murrayfield and Gavin Hastings is on the board of Platinum One.
Not sure if Hastings have anything to do with the SRU these days but it does seem a bit strange.
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Gavin is a Jambo and his brother a Hibee I think. Think they will make a loss after this venture!

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I was under the impression they wore shirts with UNICEF on the front all last season and am expecting them to do the same come Thursday night. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Barcelona donate money to UNICEF for having thier name on the front of thier tops - this in world football is unique I think ?
They are also going to be supporting a Catalan badge which is trying to promote the Catalan tourist industry.

Hopefully they will will their traditional home top as thier is no clash unlike when they played the yams and they had to wear thier orange away tops!

Just after I posted I wondered if that was maybe the case. I watched Barça loads on the telly last season (not much choice if you live in Spain and like watching football), so I'm kind of pleased with myself in a way that I was focussed enough on the games to not pay much heed to what was on the shirts.

Barça were certainly unique for a long time in that they had no shirt sponsors. The last link I posted includes info on their initiative with Unicef (skip the Spanish stuff and scroll to the bottom).

I'd agree that it seems quite unique to have the name of a charity rather than a large company on the shirt. I'd also agree with your last point... those orange Barça shirts are absolutely horrendous and I hope they won't be wearing those.

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs
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Just after I posted I wondered if that was maybe the case. I watched Barça loads on the telly last season (not much choice if you live in Spain and like watching football), so I'm kind of pleased with myself in a way that I was focussed enough on the games to not pay much heed to what was on the shirts.

Barça were certainly unique for a long time in that they had no shirt sponsors. The last link I posted includes info on their initiative with Unicef (skip the Spanish stuff and scroll to the bottom).

I'd agree that it seems quite unique to have the name of a charity rather than a large company on the shirt. I'd also agree with your last point... those orange Barça shirts are absolutely horrendous and I hope they won't be wearing those.

I know Aston Villa will have a local chairty on the front of thier strips this season but not sure all the facts with the agreement.

Barcelona have a new yellow away kit this season.....obviously yellow is the colour this year...

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Let's hope the traditional jersey makes an appearance!
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To which part of the kid on History of Barca are you alluding to Sam?

All that reinvention of history clap trap that Barcelona directors yap on about that Barcelona were the club 'that stood against Franco' when the club itself did nothing of the sort and the stuff about the club representing Catalonia and not Spain.

The supporters of the club definetly did stand their ground as there is numerous examples of dissent and disobedience
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but I hae ma doots about many of the directors of the club: a bunch of whom got themselves very rich in the building contracts dolled out from Madrid in the 1960's and who tried as much as possible in return to keep the club out of the politics of the day.

There is also Juan Antonia Samaranch(he who brought the Olympics to Catalonia) a Barcelona Director and President for example who refused to allow the playing of the Catalan national anthem or Catalan flags and declared himself a Francoiste Catalan who believed Catalonia was an inseperable part of Spain.

The only people I've read about who stood up to the facists were lots of brave (and probably dead as a result) ordinary indivduals whereas those in power in symbolic institutions such as Barcelona and the Catholic church collaborated and helped themselves to the greedy trappings of power and didn't want to upset the gravy train.
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I've just never bought into the Barcelona myth either about General Franco 'favouring Madrid' when in the first 20 odd years of his regime Real Madrid didn't ever win the Spanish Championship yet Barcelona won it 4 times and Athletico Bilbao representing the Basques won La Liga 5 times
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Mind you the Francoist's did shoot one of the former Barca presidents and threaten the team with the concentration camps unless they threw a match (they lost 11-1) and stole their best player (Di Stefano) so I'm not saying they didn't have a wee grievance or two.
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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs
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Just after I posted I wondered if that was maybe the case. I watched Barça loads on the telly last season (not much choice if you live in Spain and like watching football), so I'm kind of pleased with myself in a way that I was focussed enough on the games to not pay much heed to what was on the shirts.

Barça were certainly unique for a long time in that they had no shirt sponsors. The last link I posted includes info on their initiative with Unicef (skip the Spanish stuff and scroll to the bottom).

I'd agree that it seems quite unique to have the name of a charity rather than a large company on the shirt. I'd also agree with your last point... those orange Barça shirts are absolutely horrendous and I hope they won't be wearing those.

Now who does that remind you of ?

[wee 162]

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All that reinvention of history clap trap that Barcelona directors yap on about that Barcelona were the club 'that stood against Franco' when the club itself did nothing of the sort and the stuff about the club representing Catalonia and not Spain.

The supporters of the club definetly did stand their ground as there is numerous examples of dissent and disobedience
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but I hae ma doots about many of the directors of the club: a bunch of whom got themselves very rich in the building contracts dolled out from Madrid in the 1960's and who tried as much as possible in return to keep the club out of the politics of the day.

There is also Juan Antonia Samaranch(he who brought the Olympics to Catalonia) a Barcelona Director and President for example who refused to allow the playing of the Catalan national anthem or Catalan flags and declared himself a Francoiste Catalan who believed Catalonia was an inseperable part of Spain.

The only people I've read about who stood up to the facists were lots of brave (and probably dead as a result) ordinary indivduals whereas those in power in symbolic institutions such as Barcelona and the Catholic church collaborated and helped themselves to the greedy trappings of power and didn't want to upset the gravy train.
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I've just never bought into the Barcelona myth either about General Franco 'favouring Madrid' when in the first 20 odd years of his regime Real Madrid didn't ever win the Spanish Championship yet Barcelona won it 4 times and Athletico Bilbao representing the Basques won La Liga 5 times
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Mind you the Francoist's did shoot one of the former Barca presidents and threaten the team with the concentration camps unless they threw a match (they lost 11-1) and stole their best player (Di Stefano) so I'm not saying they didn't have a wee grievance or two.
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Since when did directors represent clubs more than the fans?

FWIW I do agree that a certain level of mythology has grown up around Barcelona which isn't always justified with a close look at the actual history, but you have to put these sorts of things into context. The Barcelona directors at the time of Franco were businessmen (as is always the case) and were making a buck where and when they could. The person who I think you may be remembering is Nunez who took power at Barcelona 3 years after the Franco reign, and at a point where Francoist Spanish generals still felt able to mount an attempted count within a few years of the reintroduction of democracy.

And you're simply wrong about Real Madrid not winning the league in the first 20 years of Francos reign. They didn't win it for 20 years, but the Spanish Civil War stopped 3 seasons, and they won it in 1954. So 15 years after Franco took power, and not so coincidentally after the stealing of De Stefano from Barcelona.

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Since when did directors represent clubs more than the fans?

FWIW I do agree that a certain level of mythology has grown up around Barcelona which isn't always justified with a close look at the actual history, but you have to put these sorts of things into context. The Barcelona directors at the time of Franco were businessmen (as is always the case) and were making a buck where and when they could. The person who I think you may be remembering is Nunez who took power at Barcelona 3 years after the Franco reign, and at a point where Francoist Spanish generals still felt able to mount an attempted count within a few years of the reintroduction of democracy.

And you're simply wrong about Real Madrid not winning the league in the first 20 years of Francos reign. They didn't win it for 20 years, but the Spanish Civil War stopped 3 seasons, and they won it in 1954. So 15 years after
Franco took power, and not so coincidentally after the stealing of De Stefano from Barcelona.

I don't dispute that Directors represent clubs more than fans but they do rewrite history both to suit their own agenda and to give the supporters what they think history should have been rather than the grim reality of what actually occurred.
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Close to home examples being Celtc being set up as a wee charitable institution to feed the needy of the East End of Glasgow
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. It lasted 18 months and the money men moved in and turned it into a Ltd company and Brother Walfrid got his jotters.

You won't find that history in the 'Brother Walfrid' Restaurant at Celtc Park or any mention of Hibs either who paved Celtc's cultural and administration way in the 13 years previously
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Another nearby example is 'Scotland's Shame' and their sectarian signing policy which lasted for well on 60 years and I've yet to read anything in any 'Scotland's Shame' official or unofficial publication that acknowledges this ever existed.

Even closer to home
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and you would be hard pressed to find in any Hibs official publications much detailed reference to the 'Irish Home Rule' split of 1887 and subsequent bankruptcy which very nearly destoyed the club. We prefer all the Celtc stole all our players stuff as it makes things easier.

Barcelona history is in many ways a continuance of this theme though I must admit you are the last person on this planet who would be found apologising for 'Businesssmen' collaborating with a right wing Fascist dictatorship on the basis that 'they were just making a buck where and when they could'.

You sure you someone hasn't pockled your log in details because you can't really mean this.
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Statistically you are right though as although Real Madrid didn't win the league for 20 years only 15 years covered the Generalissimo's reign and less 3 years for the civil war makes it 1 win in 12 years.

1 in 12 though isn't exactly a ringing endorsment for the conspiracy myth that Barcelona peddle.
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Barcelona/Real Madrid both remind me to much of our own gruesome twosome to have much time for either but it seems such lazy history to just claim as the Catalans do that one is white and the other black and Franco was 'oot to get them'.

A much more believable theory is that Franco never did like football much and his little involvement was originally with Athletico Madrid who had a military background as they were previously known as Athletico Aviation the team of the Air Force.

I think i might have strayed off topic but I love football history even more than I love numbers.
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