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F_Sauzee_4 · 15-06-08, 13:33

Just on Skysports news that 4th place this season will get a Uefa Cup place, as well as 3rd place, Scottish Cup winners and 2 Champs League places for 1st & 2nd
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4th Place have to play an extra qualifying round (in early July) compared to SC winners & 3rd place i think though but gives us a good chance
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**Laughlan** · 15-06-08, 13:38

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**Bill Oddies Beard** · 15-06-08, 13:49

It may well be the top 5 if, realistically, one of the OF win the SC too.

F_Sauzee_4 · 15-06-08, 14:04

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It may well be the top 5 if, realistically, one of the OF win the SC too.

Do SC Runners up not get the UEFA place if the winners have already qualified for Europe?

**Bill Oddies Beard** · 15-06-08, 14:05

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Do SC Runners up not get the UEFA place if the winners have already qualified for Europe?

Nope, not anymore. Queen of the South will be the last to get it.
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F_Sauzee_4 · 15-06-08, 14:11

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Nope, not anymore. Queen of the South will be the last to get it.
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Thank feck for that
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hibeebenji · 15-06-08, 14:19

This is a bad thing for the SPL only one team in the top six won't make Europe.

Image the situation if the team placed 5th at the time of the split, is 15 points ahead of 6th place. What really would the teams 3rd, 4th & 5th have to play for, having all qualified for the Uefa cup.

**Dub** · 15-06-08, 14:21

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This is a bad thing for the SPL only one team in the top six won't make Europe.

Image the situation if the team placed 5th at the time of the split, is 15 points ahead of 6th place. What really would the teams 3rd, 4th & 5th have to play for, having all qualified for the Uefa cup.

Pride,
the kudos of being better than your peers,
the extra cash that comes with earning a higher place

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F_Sauzee_4 · 15-06-08, 14:26

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This is a bad thing for the SPL only one team in the top six won't make Europe.

Image the situation if the team placed 5th at the time of the split, is 15 points ahead of 6th place. What really would the teams 3rd, 4th & 5th have to play for, having all qualified for the Uefa cup.

The difference from 3rd to 5th is 3rd place your in the Uefa 1st round and 5th place you have 2 qualifying rounds to play BEFORE you get to the Uefa 1st round IIRC.

And even still, why do you NEED something to play for for the last 5 games? If Hibs have qualified for Europe with 5 games to go, I dont think we will complain at being able to enjoy the last 5 games with no real pressure and a Scottish Cup Final to look forward to
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**russ dinse** · 15-06-08, 14:43

that's the only reason i was wanting the currant buns to do well in europe

**Tully** · 15-06-08, 14:48

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SCOTLAND will have five teams in Europe from next summer as the UEFA Cup gets a massive revamp.
But the move comes at a price - with the SPL's fourth-placed team facing a possible summer break of just four weeks before having to play their first European qualifier.
European football chiefs have opted to scrap the Intertoto Cup after 14 seasons and incorporate the games as qualifiers in a bigger UEFA Cup that will kick off in June next year.
And that means a massive shift because competing in those early rounds will now become mandatory. That's a change from the Intertoto as clubs could choose not to apply for a place. Scotland's top two in the SPL will still qualify for the Champions League and new changes give our champions a better chance of a direct route to the group stages. But instead of the two UEFA Cup spots currently on offer - along with the option of one team to play in the Intertoto - three clubs will now go straight into that competition.
As part of an edict from UEFA president Michel Platini the Scottish Cup winners will start in the final qualifying round before the group stages.
But the SPL's third and fourth placed teams will play one and two rounds more respectively.
SPL secretary Iain Blair said: "The changes next year are major.
"Everyone knows Celtic go straight into the group stages of the Champions League this season and that's because of Manchester United winning last term's final in Moscow.
"But Celtic wouldn't normally do that from 10th place in the rankings where we are just now.
"After next season our champions WILL go into the group stages and that's good right down to 12th place.
"It doesn't change for our second team. They will still have to play two qualifying rounds.
"But the UEFA Cup is where it does change. They've brought the Intertoto and UEFA Cup together which means it's now compulsory to play - the Intertoto was always voluntary.
"As of next summer two clubs will go into the Champions League while the sides in third and fourth place will go into the UEFA Cup along with the Scottish Cup winners.
"But they will be starting early. The Scottish Cup winner will go into qualifying round four which is the last one before the group stage.
"The only team who will qualify directly for the group stage will be the winner of the competition.
"The UEFA Cup will start in June and participation is mandatory.
"If a team don't want to start their season in June or early July they no longer have a choice.
"The third-placed team in the SPL will go in at qualifying round three and the fourth-placed team will go in at round two which is early in July.
"It's not an option to refuse it. The regulations say they play - that's it. So a team could play in the Cup Final on May 30, lose it and be playing in Europe four or five weeks later.
"That's certainly a possibility. And to be fair our league season only finishes a week earlier anyway. So it's still a short break."
And that could be made worse every second year when either the World Cup or European Championships eat even further into the summer.
Blair added: "If it's a year where there's a championship, the international team could be playing June or early July and the European competitions will already have started by then.
"And the international competition takes precedence so you could be without players in the UEFA Cup."
However, if Scotland want another UEFA Cup place it's going to take a quantum leap in Euro performances to overhaul Holland, Romania or Portugal directly above us in the European rankings.
Blair admitted: "We're now 10th but to increase the number of clubs you need to get to eighth.
"Ninth is achievable in the short term, depending on what other countries do, but eighth would take a couple of good years in Europe to have a serious chance."

Mixxxu · 15-06-08, 15:12

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This is a bad thing for the SPL only one team in the top six won't make Europe.

Image the situation if the team placed 5th at the time of the split, is 15 points ahead of 6th place. What really would the teams 3rd, 4th & 5th have to play for, having all qualified for the Uefa cup.

Some people are never happy.All I care about is getting into the UEFA cup an if this makes it more of a possibilty bring it on.Saying that we'll prob finish 5th and lose the SC final.In that case I would agree that the current set-up is fine.

Johnny Vegas · 15-06-08, 15:16

great news

but remember we came fecking 6th this year so let's not get too carried away

hibeebenji · 15-06-08, 16:35

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Some people are never happy.All I care about is getting into the UEFA cup an if this makes it more of a possibilty bring it on.Saying that we'll prob finish 5th and lose the SC final.In that case I would agree that the current set-up is fine.

I said it would be bad for the SPL, not Hibs. I just think the big picture is this another decision that makes our league look Mickey Mouse. If five teams out of the top six are heading for Europe this has to be the death nail to the unpopular SPL split.

5 team qualifying out a 12 team league, that's just under half the SPL. Either time to expand the number of teams in the SPL or admit our current Uefa places are enough.

**HailHail** · 15-06-08, 16:38

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What really would the teams 3rd, 4th & 5th have to play for, having all qualified for the Uefa cup.

Having a big say in who wins the title?
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**PILTONSTANY** · 15-06-08, 16:44

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5 team qualifying out a 12 team league, that's just under half the SPL. Either time to expand the number of teams in the SPL or admit our current Uefa places are enough.

Adding another 4 shite teams from the 1st div isn't going to make the league any better though,5 places out of 12 will actually improve the league as every fecker will have a chance to be in the top 6 instead of just being safe above relegation.

McLeod1875 · 16-06-08, 22:09

Atleast more Scottish teams will be recognized in the big tournaments now.

About time aswell.

**madkink** · 16-06-08, 22:20

would this not give a better reason for summer season?

with the fourth team only getting a 4 week break before competitive games

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