Mixus record v the old firm

[Purple & Green]

H Rangers D 0 0
H Celtic L 0 2
A Rangers L 0 1
A Rangers L 1 2
H Rangers D 0 0
A Celtic L 0 2

P6 W0 D2 L4 F1 A7

Simply not good enough, and murder compared to what has gone before.

[GalegoHibs]

Originally Posted by Purple & Green

H Rangers D 0 0
H Celtic L 0 2
A Rangers L 0 1
A Rangers L 1 2
H Rangers D 0 0
A Celtic L 0 2

P6 W0 D2 L4 F1 A7

Simply not good enough, and murder compared to what has gone before.

Not good enough, no. We've probably hardly ever had it so good against the OF as we've had it in recent years though. I wonder if other Hibs managers would fair much better. It's not so long ago that I can recall a sense of relief at ONLY a 2-0 defeat in Glasgow. I know that sounds a bit negative but there was a while there when it seemed like every team was in the same boat as Rangers and Celtic were regularly putting four or five past us and other teams at home. Seven nil anyone? To put a bit of a positive spin on it the game Rangers won 2-1 at ER is the only one where I can recall us being totally outplayed.

[bigmanandy]

Shocking record against the OF....The OF are worse and more tired just now than they where earliar on in the season and we should be giving them a run for there money but that record needs to improve.

[The__Proclaimer]

It's not just the form against the OF that's honking. We've took 5 points from the last 18. That's appaling at this stage of the season.

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by Purple & Green

H Rangers D 0 0
H Celtic L 0 2
A Rangers L 0 1
A Rangers L 1 2
H Rangers D 0 0
A Celtic L 0 2

P6 W0 D2 L4 F1 A7

Simply not good enough, and murder compared to what has gone before.

come on bobby - you can't put up a stat like that without giving us comparisons...was JC much better or blobby?

- I'll agree not great but for a man in the job 4 months we've not been skelped in any of the games and indeed luck has run against us at times - (the two hun 0-0's and the SC replay)

[Smurf]

Tony Mowbray
Pld 108, W 52, L 40, D 16
Percentage won: 48%

John Collins
Pld 54, W 23, L 16, D 15
Percentage won: 43%

Mixu Paatelainen
Pld 18, W 8, L, 7, D 3
Percentage won: 44%

[Broxburn_Hibby]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Tony Mowbray
Pld 108, W 52, L 40, D 16
Percentage won: 48%

John Collins
Pld 54, W 23, L 16, D 15
Percentage won: 43%

Mixu Paatelainen
Pld 18, W 8, L, 7, D 3
Percentage won: 44%

Far too early to be comparing Mixu to Mogga or JC based on the number of games played.

[Purple & Green]

Fair point well made Kenny:

TC
A Celtic D 1 1

P1 W0 D1 L0 F1 A1

JC
H Celtic D 2 2
A Rangers L 0 3
A Celtic L 0 1
H Rangers L 0 2
H Rangers D 3 3
H Celtic W 2 1
H Celtic W 3 2
A Rangers W 1 0

P8 W3 D2 L3 F11 A14

TM
A Rangers L 1 4
H Celtic D 2 2
H Rangers L 0 1
A Celtic L 1 2
A Rangers L 0 3
H Celtic L 1 3
A Celtic W 3 1
H Rangers L 0 1
A Rangers W 3 0
H Celtic L 0 1
H Rangers W 2 1
A Celtic L 2 3
A Rangers W 3 0
A Rangers L 0 2
H Celtic L 1 2
A Celtic D 1 1
H Rangers L 1 2
A Celtic L 1 2
H Rangers W 2 1

P19 W5 D2 L12 F24 A32

I think that's right. I'll post up Blobbys tomorrow for comparison.

[Purple & Green]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Tony Mowbray
Pld 108, W 52, L 40, D 16
Percentage lost: 37%

John Collins
Pld 54, W 23, L 16, D 15
Percentage lost: 29%

Mixu Paatelainen
Pld 18, W 8, L, 7, D 3
Percentage lost: 39%

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Purple & Green

Aye either winning or losing that JC was a terrible manager eh?

what JC did have was the ability to change a game from the touchline. Proper and effective use of sustitutes...

[Hibee Kev]

Originally Posted by Purple & Green

Fair point well made Kenny:

TC
A Celtic D 1 1

P1 W0 D1 L0 F1 A1

JC
H Celtic D 2 2
A Rangers L 0 3
A Celtic L 0 1
H Rangers L 0 2
H Rangers D 3 3
H Celtic W 2 1
H Celtic W 3 2
A Rangers W 1 0

P8 W3 D2 L3 F11 A14

TM
A Rangers L 1 4
H Celtic D 2 2
H Rangers L 0 1
A Celtic L 1 2
A Rangers L 0 3
H Celtic L 1 3
A Celtic W 3 1
H Rangers L 0 1
A Rangers W 3 0
H Celtic L 0 1
H Rangers W 2 1
A Celtic L 2 3
A Rangers W 3 0
A Rangers L 0 2
H Celtic L 1 2
A Celtic D 1 1
H Rangers L 1 2
A Celtic L 1 2
H Rangers W 2 1

P19 W5 D2 L12 F24 A32

I think that's right. I'll post up Blobbys tomorrow for comparison.

Good stats! I actually thought Mogga's OF record was better than that, still stands up pretty well though, as does JC's.

Now let's see if Mixu can work on this next season, and his derby record!

[Tibs]

As poor as his record has been against the Old Firm its not like we've been outclassed in any of those games. Especially the two 0-0s at home to Rangers, on another day might have won both of them. Also yesterday was one of our better performances at Celtic Park in recent times imo, 1-1 would have been a fair result

[andyhibee2485]

I think it's a little unfair to overly criticise Mixu for the games vs the old firm.

Firstly, 3 of the losses are away from home. Our away record in general has been dire for years. Mixu's home record is 2 draws(close games which we could have won) and 1 loss (against Celtic where we dominated the first half and shoul dhave been ahead).

Collins (last season) and Mowbray had far better players, inparticular in midfield. We are struggling to score vs the old firm now but we used to score more goals becasue we had players like Riordan, O'Conner, Killen, Sproule and Brown. Basically we now have Fletcher.

The record versus the old firm is also not the most important thing in our season, however annoying losing to them regularly is. It's beating teams that we are better than which is important. In this regard, under Mixu we have won every home game agaisnt a non-old firm team, every single one.

[Hibees7062]

He may have a poor record against the OF, but Mixu is winning the so-called bankers when we play lesser teams at home. How often did teams like St. Mirren and ICT come to ER and take points off Mogga and JC.

[Purple & Green]

I think the most dissappointing aspect of the old firm games is just one solitary goal scored in 6 games. Chuck in the Hearts game and it's 1 goal in 7 games.

Good sign beating all the dross at home, mind. Not so good form away from home, 5 points out of 18 and nothing from visits to Glasgow - which is probably why we've failed to qualify for Europe.


The blobstastic ones record was:

Rangers L 2 4
Celtic L 0 1
Rangers L 2 3
Rangers L 1 2
Celtic L 0 1
Rangers L 0 2
Celtic L 2 3
Rangers L 2 5
Celtic L 1 2
Rangers L 0 1
Celtic W 2 1
Celtic L 0 6
Rangers L 0 2
Rangers W 1 1 Won On Penalties
Rangers L 0 3
Celtic L 0 4

P16 W2 D0 L14 F13 A41

That is, we lost every single game against them apart from the CIS cup ties in 2003/2004.

[russ dinse]

Originally Posted by Purple & Green

I think the most dissappointing aspect of the old firm games is just one solitary goal scored in 6 games. Chuck in the Hearts game and it's 1 goal in 7 games.

Good sign beating all the dross at home, mind. Not so good form away from home, 5 points out of 18 and nothing from visits to Glasgow - which is probably why we've failed to qualify for Europe.


The blobstastic ones record was:

Rangers L 2 4
Celtic L 0 1
Rangers L 2 3
Rangers L 1 2
Celtic L 0 1
Rangers L 0 2
Celtic L 2 3
Rangers L 2 5
Celtic L 1 2
Rangers L 0 1
Celtic W 2 1
Celtic L 0 6
Rangers L 0 2
Rangers W 1 1 Won On Penalties
Rangers L 0 3
Celtic L 0 4

P16 W2 D0 L14 F13 A41

That is, we lost every single game against them apart from the CIS cup ties in 2003/2004.

Hibs overall record against both halves of the infirm is and has ALWAYS been abysmal.Pick any era and it will make grim reading.

Other than semi finals against Rangers which i believe we have a better head to head record,something that no other team has against them.Pity we could'nt carry that form into the finals we got to.