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**Baron von Hibee** · 06-04-08, 20:12

At what point this season have we seen any more than the briefest of glimpses of decent football from Hibs? I can only remember one particularly impressive performance at Easter Road - and that was from the team in claret & gold when we got dumped out of the CIS Cup.
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Don't understand the downer about Mixu's start. From the 3rd set of SPL fixtures he's managed W6 D1 L4 - 19 points. Thats a mere 2 points worse than Collins' fantastic early set of results - W6 D3 L2 - 21 points in the 1st 11 games. Add the delayed Motherwell game and we're on 22 points from 12 games in the SPL under Mixu - identical to Collins' first 12 games of the season.

Lets not forget how many of those games looked just like the ones we're seeing now - riding our luck too often, poor performances but grinding out results. OK, I would accept we probably looked a little better, but not much. For all the pretty words about the ball being round, Hibs under Collins pretty much ceased to play impressive football the minute Rob Jones lifted that cup last March.

Lets also not forget the mess Mixu inherited - yes, he may only have matched Collins' early results, but the immediate legacy he had to deal with was the dark last days of the Collins/Craig era, and the relegation form 7 points from the first 10 games of the 2nd round of fixtures. OK, we can't pretend the squad he inherited hadn't proved itself capable of that early form, but by the time he inherited it, they were a horrendously de-motivated squad whose weaknesses were far more in evidence than their strengths. He had limited scope to strengthen that squad in January - but would anyone really dispute that overall his signings have looked more impressive as a whole than Collins? To revitalise that squad, pull it out of the relegation zone and back into contention for 3rd within 3 months is nothing short of remarkable.

I would certainly hope playing good football is somewhere on Mixu's agenda, as Hibs are exceedingly dull to watch right now, but in the short term I'm quite happy that the focus has been on pulling the team back together and getting results - pretty or otherwise. Unlike Collins, he seems to have been better able to judge the limitations of the squad he has available and is managing to get results from them. Getting results whilst playing decent football has to be the next objective though, as more of this next season will lead us into a new Blobby era and results or otherwise, crowds will tail off.

Mixu has a big task on his hands in the summer if he's to build a squad which can continue to get results whilst playing football that doesn't send us to sleep. Right now though, I think we've still to give him that opportunity to prove he's capable of doing that.

**Forzahibs** · 06-04-08, 20:24

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Gerry McNee's column is worth the price alone.
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It's like reading Forza on the Bounce.
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How much of an arse is Davie Provan though.
Oh thanks for the compliment mate
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**wee 162** · 07-04-08, 09:39

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At what point this season have we seen any more than the briefest of glimpses of decent football from Hibs? I can only remember one particularly impressive performance at Easter Road - and that was from the team in claret & gold when we got dumped out of the CIS Cup.
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Don't understand the downer about Mixu's start. From the 3rd set of SPL fixtures he's managed W6 D1 L4 - 19 points. Thats a mere 2 points worse than Collins' fantastic early set of results - W6 D3 L2 - 21 points in the 1st 11 games. Add the delayed Motherwell game and we're on 22 points from 12 games in the SPL under Mixu - identical to Collins' first 12 games of the season.

Lets not forget how many of those games looked just like the ones we're seeing now - riding our luck too often, poor performances but grinding out results. OK, I would accept we probably looked a little better, but not much. For all the pretty words about the ball being round, Hibs under Collins pretty much ceased to play impressive football the minute Rob Jones lifted that cup last March.

Lets also not forget the mess Mixu inherited - yes, he may only have matched Collins' early results, but the immediate legacy he had to deal with was the dark last days of the Collins/Craig era, and the relegation form 7 points from the first 10 games of the 2nd round of fixtures. OK, we can't pretend the squad he inherited hadn't proved itself capable of that early form, but by the time he inherited it, they were a horrendously de-motivated squad whose weaknesses were far more in evidence than their strengths. He had limited scope to strengthen that squad in January - but would anyone really dispute that overall his signings have looked more impressive as a whole than Collins? To revitalise that squad, pull it out of the relegation zone and back into contention for 3rd within 3 months is nothing short of remarkable.

I would certainly hope playing good football is somewhere on Mixu's agenda, as Hibs are exceedingly dull to watch right now, but in the short term I'm quite happy that the focus has been on pulling the team back together and getting results - pretty or otherwise. Unlike Collins, he seems to have been better able to judge the limitations of the squad he has available and is managing to get results from them. Getting results whilst playing decent football has to be the next objective though, as more of this next season will lead us into a new Blobby era and results or otherwise, crowds will tail off.

Mixu has a big task on his hands in the summer if he's to build a squad which can continue to get results whilst playing football that doesn't send us to sleep. Right now though, I think we've still to give him that opportunity to prove he's capable of doing that.

I fair enjoyed the Celtc game tbh. The comebacks against Gretna & Aberdeen were highly entertaining.

**Grant1875** · 07-04-08, 11:22

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I fair enjoyed the Celtc game tbh. The comebacks against Gretna & Aberdeen were highly entertaining.

So was the one under Mixu
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I actually thought that was a brilliant game. We won it 3-1 but it could have easily been 5-5.

**wee 162** · 07-04-08, 11:28

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So was the one under Mixu
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I actually thought that was a brilliant game. We won it 3-1 but it could have easily been 5-5.

I agree with you. I'm not going to completely slate Mixu and say everything has been shite since he's taken over cause it hasn't. He's improved us in some areas. But I also don't think it's reasonable to ignore that there are a lot of things which should be concerning us imo. If we have to battle it out to get a win and we can do that it's aw good. When we have every opportunity to go out and express ourselves, such as on Saturday, and we don't appear to even be thinking about trying that, I'm going to moan like fuck about it. And I'm particularly worried that the longer he's been in charge the more we appear to be doing this.

**Grant1875** · 07-04-08, 11:43

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I agree with you. I'm not going to completely slate Mixu and say everything has been shite since he's taken over cause it hasn't. He's improved us in some areas. But I also don't think it's reasonable to ignore that there are a lot of things which should be concerning us imo. If we have to battle it out to get a win and we can do that it's aw good. When we have every opportunity to go out and express ourselves, such as on Saturday, and we don't appear to even be thinking about trying that, I'm going to moan like fuck about it. And I'm particularly worried that the longer he's been in charge the more we appear to be doing this.

There are positives and negatives to take out his reign so far. Positives being we are picking up a few wins (which is the most important aspect of fitba at the end of the day
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) but the biggest negative is obviously the fitba we are playing which at times makes us cringe. I said in a previous post though IMO we have the basis there for a decent enough team. We badly need at least another 2 or 3 players in to compliment the likes of Hogg, Murray, Zemmama and Fletch who we can build a team around
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Mowbray and Collins came in and promised us flair, attacking fitba etc etc.. Mixu has not once said this. We will be far more direct as a team under Mixu. It may not be brilliant to watch at times but I am confident we will get slightly better fitba wise and then kick on and have a solid season next year after Mixu brings in new additions.

**Kenny** · 07-04-08, 11:45

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It doesn't take a footballing genius to say that was dire today. The most exciting thing I saw from the terracing after 3.05pm was that fire. Shocking stuff.

The thing that gets me though is the attitude of our support. Loads of folk seem to be happy with the gash thats being served up and just because we're beating the teams we should be beating. 3 points doesn't hide the fact we're a long ball team, rapidly running out of ideas and fitness. It's Jambo fitba and Williamson fitba.

Before anyone comes in with the old chestnut - it's nonsense to think the only alternative to winning ugly is losing attractively.

Hokey I'll bite - it's a balancing act

1. Most people agreed we needed abit of steel in key positions (CM, LB, RB) we've tried to address this and lost something in the toughening up.

2. It's not mixu's team I think he has to make do with what he has.

3. hibs have been guilty of over doing it on build up play - trying to walk the ball into the net.

4. boozy hasn't been about - like russel before him - he gets others "on the ball"

5. mixus finding his feet playing the kind of football that suited him as a player - no disrespect to cowdenbeath but they didn't have the same footballers in their squad and mixus got to learn how to best use them to hurt the opposition.

6. mixu won't be oblivious to this, he knows Hibernian are the quintessential flair team

**hibadelic** · 07-04-08, 13:06

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Aberdeen and Inverness have hardly been happy stomping grounds for any Hibs manager.

Are you actually saying it wasn't a crap run?

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You say 'ground out wins' like that's a bad thing. There were several times this season where things weren't going our way when Collins made a double sub at half time, changedthe formation and we went on to win or salvage an unlikely point.

In comparisson too often Mixu has made the wrong sub, too late on and has only one game plan- he would be totally lost for ideas if his target man was to get a long-term injury.

Which is the better team, the one that goes 2 up in the first half or the one that goes 2 down? Mixu has consolidated us and taken us from losers to winners in a very short space of time. The football is shit but we might still get to Europe. After the summer, when he has had a chance to build a team and play in his style is when we can start judging.

**Dub** · 07-04-08, 14:48

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There are positives and negatives to take out his reign so far. Positives being we are picking up a few wins (which is the most important aspect of fitba at the end of the day
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) but the biggest negative is obviously the fitba we are playing which at times makes us cringe. I said in a previous post though IMO we have the basis there for a decent enough team. We badly need at least another 2 or 3 players in to compliment the likes of Hogg, Murray, Zemmama and Fletch who we can build a team around
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Mowbray and Collins came in and promised us flair, attacking fitba etc etc.. Mixu has not once said this. We will be far more direct as a team under Mixu. It may not be brilliant to watch at times but I am confident we will get slightly better fitba wise and then kick on and have a solid season next year after Mixu brings in new additions.

TBH whilst I agree with you that picking up three points is important, we were the first ones to slag the gunts for their direct style of play and any cries of "we got the three points thats the main thing" would be laughed at heartily. Why, because we were the flair team they were the industrial football specialists and their three points werent as good as ours because we won our games playing attractive footie and didnt just aimlessly lump the ball to a big centre forward. Now, we aimlessly lump the ball up to a big centre forward a lot of the time and it doesnt really seem to suit us so whilst I am trying to take the positives out of getting the points its difficult when all the flair play is being washed down the drainage system.

**Grant1875** · 07-04-08, 15:18

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TBH whilst I agree with you that picking up three points is important, we were the first ones to slag the gunts for their direct style of play and any cries of "we got the three points thats the main thing" would be laughed at heartily. Why, because we were the flair team they were the industrial football specialists and their three points werent as good as ours because we won our games playing attractive footie and didnt just aimlessly lump the ball to a big centre forward. Now, we aimlessly lump the ball up to a big centre forward a lot of the time and it doesnt really seem to suit us so whilst I am trying to take the positives out of getting the points its difficult when all the flair play is being washed down the drainage system.

We played with flair when we had the best crop of youngsters Scotland has seen in years. We now have none of that left so I think it will be very difficult to go back to the way we played. Mixu I think is playing the game to the strengths of his players and so far it's been fairly effective. As I said we have to spine of a decent enough outfit, we just need 2 or 3 players which I'm convinced Mixu will bring in, to compliment it.

Bossie · 07-04-08, 15:25

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I agree with you. I'm not going to completely slate Mixu and say everything has been shite since he's taken over cause it hasn't. He's improved us in some areas. But I also don't think it's reasonable to ignore that there are a lot of things which should be concerning us imo. If we have to battle it out to get a win and we can do that it's aw good. When we have every opportunity to go out and express ourselves, such as on Saturday, and we don't appear to even be thinking about trying that, I'm going to moan like fuck about it. And I'm particularly worried that the longer he's been in charge the more we appear to be doing this.

I must admit I was far more concerned about the hibees when Collins was in place than I am just now

Would I rather be in the position Mixu has created, albeit with some grim fitba along the way, or would I rather have persevered with Collins as he tried to play the beautifual game?

For me, it's a no-brainer.

snoots · 07-04-08, 18:00

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I must admit I was far more concerned about the hibees when Collins was in place than I am just now

Would I rather be in the position Mixu has created, albeit with some grim fitba along the way, or would I rather have persevered with Collins as he tried to play the beautifual game?

For me, it's a no-brainer.

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Smurf · 07-04-08, 18:42

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Mowbray and Collins came in and promised us flair, attacking fitba etc etc.. Mixu has not once said this.

Didn't he?
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**wee 162** · 07-04-08, 18:56

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I must admit I was far more concerned about the hibees when Collins was in place than I am just now

Would I rather be in the position Mixu has created, albeit with some grim fitba along the way, or would I rather have persevered with Collins as he tried to play the beautifual game?

For me, it's a no-brainer.

Care to hazard a guess at where we were in relation to Dundee Utd & Motherwell when Collins left?

The answer is we were 2 points ahead of Utd, and a point behind Motherwell. Same amount of games played for all three sides.

So I'd ask, why the concern then but not now if it's all about results?

Smurf · 07-04-08, 19:01

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Care to hazard a guess at where we were in relation to Dundee Utd & Motherwell when Collins left?

The answer is we were 2 points ahead of Utd, and a point behind Motherwell. Same amount of games played for all three sides.

So I'd ask, why the concern then but not now if it's all about results?

The whole period of Johnny Collins ER tenure appears to have been rewritten.
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