The Rivals Game ...

[Gunnerhibby]

... is the name of a new book which has just been published about foootball rivalry between clubs who share the same Cities and towns, or to be more specific, the Derby Match. The author is some London-based BBC sports writer(who's name escapes me) and he takes a look at derbies all over Britain & Europe, and has included a section on the Edinburgh Derby. His research for each Derby meant talking to fans of the clubs involved, and he has built up a fairly constructive picture of what the derby, and the clubs involved, means to both sets of fans. The author contacted a number of Hibs fans to get their thoughts on Hibs and the Derby, and one of them put him in touch with the Official Heart Of Midlothian FC Historian, Mr David Speed.

I was handed this excerpt today, and, well I'll let you make you're own mind up about how the Jambos view us, Officially ...


We're coming in at the tail end of the "Hibs version", then Mr David Speed takes over ...


... The harp did eventually return, being incorporated into a new crest in 2000 alongside a depiction of Edinburgh castle and a ship, representing Leith. For the first time the name of the city was also used with the words ~ Hibernian Edinburgh ~ encircling the crest. There may also have been a hint of compromise in this; the harp is actually dominated by local and more identifiably Scottish symbols. Harry Swan would not have objected.

Hearts fans, on the other hand, complained that the new badge was nothing more than a gimmick, designed to exploit the fact that their title referred not to the city itself but to Midlothian. If they were being thin-skinned perhaps it was understandable

Since the Baltic banker, Vladimir Romanov, took charge in 2005, there have been constant taunts that Hearts are now nothing more than an outpost of Lithuanian football. Their squad has been flooded with imports from that country to the extent that Scottish players have sometimes seemed to be in a minority. Unsettling times for many at a club which is highly traditional and has a strongly developed sense of its history and place in the game.

David Speed is the official Hearts historian. His own links to the team go back to the club's earliest days. David, who was carried into the ground as a child, told me this was not unusual. "There is a big family tradition at Tynecastle. Hearts supporters regard it as 'Edinburgh's club', 'Edina's darlings'. I notice that Hibs have put Edinburgh on their badge because they struggle for identity, as far as I am concerned, as an Edinburgh club. We consider ourselves to be the city's club. When they put Edinburgh on their badge, I thought, 'well, that's a wee bit petty.' I'll come right to the point here, we consider ourselves the superior club and it's supported by the fact that we have won more honours. The Hearts have won 41 per cent of the derby games to Hibs' 26 per cent. We have beaten them more times at both Tynecastle and Easter Road." In fact Hearts even went on an unbeaten run of 22 derby matches beginning in the late 1980s.
"So we do consider ourselves to be a wee bit special," continued Speed. "We do see the Hearts as a cut above the rest. I can imagine every Hibs fan cringing at me saying that, but that's how we fee!. We are Edinburgh's club and the number one club in the city."

David also says the fans have certain standards which have always been important. "My father works in the fish market in Edinburgh and he's been in that trade all his life. He's eighty and he still works to this day. When he gets home from work he has a shower and puts his best clothes on and goes up to Tynecastle. He's a working-class guy, but would never dream of not tidying himself up to go to see the Hearts playing. There are some parts of Britain where people used to go to the games in their working clothes, not in my experience at Tynecastle.
My dad started going in the late 1920s and, even after the war when the guys worked until twelve o'clock, it was a bit of a pain getting away home, getting changed"and up to Tynecastle, but they did it. They wouldn't have been seen dead there in their dirty gear. It's very unusual. Again we do see ourselves as a football club being a wee bit more classy."
David is right in as much as Hearts have long been viewed as the establishment club in what is the city of the establishment. To the great Scottish poet, Hugh MacDiarmid, Edinburgh was a 'mad god's dream' and to others 'the Athens of the north'. Really, though, at its heart is finance and institutions such as the legal system and the established church. Edinburgh thrives on power, and has long been undeniably wealthy.
While Hearts fans willingly accept their role as part of the established elite, their rivals see this as a negative. Lloyd Quinnan told me how for him. "The real difference is that Hearts are the team of the rich.," he said. "That's what I have grown up with, crystallized for us by the fact that the posh boys from George Watson's [a leading private school] wore maroon and white scarves, so they didn't have to buy another one when they went to Tynecastle on a Saturday.
Also the board of Hearts has always been those who were very tight to organisations like the Chamber of Commerce and the City Council, which up until the mid-1980s was always Tory. If you look back over the board of Hearts compared to the board of Hibs, Hearts was very much, until the 1980s, successful businessmen, lawyers, but also people who were brought in from major businesses like the banks. For Hibs it has always been small businessmen, bookmakers, guys with building firms, and before that, bakers, more artisan successful tradesmen.

[beefy]

[©stretch]

Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby

... is the name of a new book which has just been published about foootball rivalry between clubs who share the same Cities and towns, or to be more specific, the Derby Match. The author is some London-based BBC sports writer(who's name escapes me) and he takes a look at derbies all over Britain & Europe, and has included a section on the Edinburgh Derby. His research for each Derby meant talking to fans of the clubs involved, and he has built up a fairly constructive picture of what the derby, and the clubs involved, means to both sets of fans. The author contacted a number of Hibs fans to get their thoughts on Hibs and the Derby, and one of them put him in touch with the Official Heart Of Midlothian FC Historian, Mr David Speed.

I was handed this excerpt today, and, well I'll let you make you're own mind up about how the Jambos view us, Officially ...


We're coming in at the tail end of the "Hibs version", then Mr David Speed takes over ...


... The harp did eventually return, being incorporated into a new crest in 2000 alongside a depiction of Edinburgh castle and a ship, representing Leith. For the first time the name of the city was also used with the words ~ Hibernian Edinburgh ~ encircling the crest. There may also have been a hint of compromise in this; the harp is actually dominated by local and more identifiably Scottish symbols. Harry Swan would not have objected.

Hearts fans, on the other hand, complained that the new badge was nothing more than a gimmick, designed to exploit the fact that their title referred not to the city itself but to Midlothian. If they were being thin-skinned perhaps it was understandable

Since the Baltic banker, Vladimir Romanov, took charge in 2005, there have been constant taunts that Hearts are now nothing more than an outpost of Lithuanian football. Their squad has been flooded with imports from that country to the extent that Scottish players have sometimes seemed to be in a minority. Unsettling times for many at a club which is highly traditional and has a strongly developed sense of its history and place in the game.

David Speed is the official Hearts historian. His own links to the team go back to the club's earliest days. David, who was carried into the ground as a child, told me this was not unusual. "There is a big family tradition at Tynecastle. Hearts supporters regard it as 'Edinburgh's club', 'Edina's darlings'. I notice that Hibs have put Edinburgh on their badge because they struggle for identity, as far as I am concerned, as an Edinburgh club. We consider ourselves to be the city's club. When they put Edinburgh on their badge, I thought, 'well, that's a wee bit petty.' I'll come right to the point here, we consider ourselves the superior club and it's supported by the fact that we have won more honours. The Hearts have won 41 per cent of the derby games to Hibs' 26 per cent. We have beaten them more times at both Tynecastle and Easter Road." In fact Hearts even went on an unbeaten run of 22 derby matches beginning in the late 1980s.
"So we do consider ourselves to be a wee bit special," continued Speed. "We do see the Hearts as a cut above the rest. I can imagine every Hibs fan cringing at me saying that, but that's how we fee!. We are Edinburgh's club and the number one club in the city."

David also says the fans have certain standards which have always been important. "My father works in the fish market in Edinburgh and he's been in that trade all his life. He's eighty and he still works to this day. When he gets home from work he has a shower and puts his best clothes on and goes up to Tynecastle. He's a working-class guy, but would never dream of not tidying himself up to go to see the Hearts playing. There are some parts of Britain where people used to go to the games in their working clothes, not in my experience at Tynecastle.
My dad started going in the late 1920s and, even after the war when the guys worked until twelve o'clock, it was a bit of a pain getting away home, getting changed"and up to Tynecastle, but they did it. They wouldn't have been seen dead there in their dirty gear. It's very unusual. Again we do see ourselves as a football club being a wee bit more classy."
David is right in as much as Hearts have long been viewed as the establishment club in what is the city of the establishment. To the great Scottish poet, Hugh MacDiarmid, Edinburgh was a 'mad god's dream' and to others 'the Athens of the north'. Really, though, at its heart is finance and institutions such as the legal system and the established church. Edinburgh thrives on power, and has long been undeniably wealthy.
While Hearts fans willingly accept their role as part of the established elite, their rivals see this as a negative. Lloyd Quinnan told me how for him. "The real difference is that Hearts are the team of the rich.," he said. "That's what I have grown up with, crystallized for us by the fact that the posh boys from George Watson's [a leading private school] wore maroon and white scarves, so they didn't have to buy another one when they went to Tynecastle on a Saturday.
Also the board of Hearts has always been those who were very tight to organisations like the Chamber of Commerce and the City Council, which up until the mid-1980s was always Tory. If you look back over the board of Hearts compared to the board of Hibs, Hearts was very much, until the 1980s, successful businessmen, lawyers, but also people who were brought in from major businesses like the banks. For Hibs it has always been small businessmen, bookmakers, guys with building firms, and before that, bakers, more artisan successful tradesmen.

Canny believe any yam **** has ever had a wash.Or good clothes.

Aye there special right enough. Fcukin special needs. Bastards!!!

[Bukta]

Worracock.

Hertz erseness at it's craptacular best.

[Gunnerhibby]

Originally Posted by Bukta

Worracock.

Hertz erseness at it's craptacular best.

Well according to Speed


We are inferior

We dont wash

We go to the games as tramps

We have no class



maybe he's getting us mixed up wae Celtc

[Bukta]

Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby

Well according to Speed


We are inferior

We dont wash

We go to the games as tramps

We have no class



maybe he's getting us mixed up wae Celtc

Dinnae man, they're tramptastic.

I've never seen such a shellsuit wearing bunch o' tregs in my puff, aside from when I'm forced through Gorgie.

They've always had that stupid "we're superior" pishy aura to them. Just make it all the more enjoyable when they go down the fecking tubes.

We'll see who's "Edinburgh's" team is then.

[Gav]

So some sad gunts old man used to reek of fish and got changed before going to the game and all of a sudden that makes Herts classy? You'd have struggled to smell him anyway wi the stench at Tynie. What a cocksocket.

Don't think i'll be buying that book, canny stand these pseudo intellectual debates about Hibs and hearts. To me they'll just always be the bloodied turd wearing scum vermin who I want to see dead and buried asap, although watching their ritual humilation and slow death does have it's upside also!

[dc_hibs]

Used to work beside him in RBS although as I refuse to indulge in football "banter" with Gorgie Filth I had no idea about his views on Hibs.

As it's now clear his views are unacceptable I will ensure I deliver a swift kick to his scrotum should I bump into the grey pubed twat in future.

(thought he'd be deid by noo smiley)

[geegee1978]

i wish bin-ladden had got his directions wrong and all they planes went straight into tynecastle

tosssssers

[Harpandcastle]

Not to good at his history either, the old badge had Edinburgh on it aswell.
Ringpiece.

[wee 162]

The jambo fuck is right enough. They do consider themselves better than the rest, and a cut above. It's the reason why they have to indulge in mass delusion since it's never going to be backed up by facts.

As for the "struggle for identity" Hibs have, isn't it a bit strange that the support Hibs have imo is probably larger in Edinburgh than "Edinas darlings"?

And this cunt is their official historian? Feck me.

[SkyeHibs]

Originally Posted by Bukta

Dinnae man, they're tramptastic.

I've never seen such a shellsuit wearing bunch o' tregs in my puff, aside from when I'm forced through Gorgie.

They've always had that stupid "we're superior" pishy aura to them. Just make it all the more enjoyable when they go down the fecking tubes.

We'll see who's "Edinburgh's" team is then.

I for one will not be shedding any tears when that lot go to the wall.

[Dr Shrink]

Deary me.

I don’t think I’ve read such an outpouring of cringeworthy Gunt bleating since Birmingham Jambo broke the news that his wife had run off with her lesbian lover.
Wait a minute…………….. it doesn’t say if this guy lived in Birmingham does it?

[Stu]

Historically speaking, a lot of fellahs that supported our team were Irish navvies who would reputedly head straight to the game in the their work overalls (and with their shovels I believe!)

I see no reason to be ashamed of a bunch of working class guys providing the life-blood for the team in - those days, and now - quite the opposite. Much better than some ridiculous snot-nosed yam bastard sadly attempting to find some moral superiority where there simply is none. It is in fact an inferiority complex at work here.

I hope their club gets fucked royally. I'm really looking forward to that day and I think we should all book somewhere and have a mass celebration when it happens.

[stickyRicky]

I knew thats how the thought of themselves and others but "am i bothered" we will have a team in 5-10 years time, how petty is that

[Sean]

He's a fecking liar.

If his auld man is 80 he was born in 1927-28. How many 1-2 year olds went to the fitba in the late 20's?

And he says we struggle with our identity

lying delusional gunt fucktard

[Kenny]

His auld man reeked of fish and was embarrassed about his job...

lies all lies

the saturn badge has edinburgh on it

[Brainwrong]

Again we do see ourselves as a football club being a wee bit more classy."

Did he just say that? Delusional gunt.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Kenny

His auld man reeked of fish and was embarrassed about his job...

lies all lies

the saturn badge has edinburgh on it

Didn't the Real Madrid rip off one have it as well? And one of our previous badges was Edinburgh Castle ffs!

Meanwhile their badge is something that people urinate on whilst bevvied. What does that say about their identity? Tynecastles a toilet?

[tricky]

Originally Posted by Kenny

His auld man reeked of fish and was embarrassed about his job...

lies all lies

the saturn badge has edinburgh on it

as did the previous badge, what a balloon this boy comes across as!