Kenny Clark is the whistler.........

[KerPlunk]

....against M'well.

Could've been worse I suppose.

[hughieo]

I think KC is a good ref.

Tin hat on but why oh why do ER fans moan so consistently about refs?

Its week in week out whinging.

Yes most of them get it wrong (a lot) but all this paranoia about cheating does my heed in.


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[Grant1875]

Originally Posted by hughieo
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I think KC is a good ref.

Tin hat on but why oh why do ER fans moan so consistently about refs?

Its week in week out whinging.

Yes most of them get it wrong (a lot) but all this paranoia about cheating does my heed in.


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Mainly against the old firm mate. Hibs commited the same amount of fouls as the huns on saturday but we had 3 players booked and they never had any. Billy Dodds said a few times on the radio that he couldn't believe that wasn't a free kick etc. Lee McCulloch apparently fouled Shiels twice yet still doesn't get booked. Billy Dodds again commented on that.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Grant1875
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Mainly against the old firm mate. Hibs commited the same amount of fouls as the huns on saturday but we had 3 players booked and they never had any. Billy Dodds said a few times on the radio that he couldn't believe that wasn't a free kick etc. Lee McCulloch apparently fouled Shiels twice yet still doesn't get booked. Billy Dodds again commented on that.

Spot on Grant. These ****s get away with murder and when a Hibs player puts in a hefty tackle he is in the book. Its only paranoia if it doesnt exist hughieo.

[Bill Oddies Beard]

If it's paranoia, thinking that we get a rough deal from refs, then i'm in the paranoid camp.

I don't know if it's deliberate or not, but sometimes some of their decisions really do have to be seen to be believed.

[hughieo]

I'm not looking for a fight wth my fellow hibbies but i believe there is an element of paranoia in all of this.
I will grant you the OF certainly do get the benefit of the 50/50 decisions when they play at home.The subtle pressure of 50- 60K people obviosly has an effect on any human being.
Beyond that tho i think that suggesting refs are actually in the pay of the OF or "cheating" is fanciful IMHO.
Am I being too fair-minded folks?

Are they really out to get us?


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If it's paranoia, thinking that we get a rough deal from refs, then i'm in the paranoid camp.

I don't know if it's deliberate or not, but sometimes some of their decisions really do have to be seen to be believed.

How many times this season have you seen tackles in SPL games and said "we've had a player sent off for less than that"? Happens in pretty close to every game I watch.

I do wonder at times if we have a reputation with refs where they feel they have to be ultra strict with our players for some reason. I'm far from convinced that the sustained criticism of refs from teams like Hearts, by managers like Levein or Jefferies, and the continual getting in the face of the refs by players like Ferguson is something that does not influence refs. It's something we don't appear to do much of, and we suffer for it in terms of decisions because we don't imo. It's similar to my argument about refs never giving someone a free kick who has managed to stay on their feet actually discouraging people from trying to do the right thing.

[KerPlunk]

Shug, for me the final nail in the coffin was Walter Myth's behaviour at Ibrox when he manhandled / barged the 4th official. No action was taken by the "authorities" so we must assume that the referee didn't mention it in his report.
Hmm.....think Mikolaunas & Davis.....think Tony Mowbray and 4 match touchline ban........etc, etc............

Call me paranoid if you wish but when you have 2 clubs with circa. 50k home gates who also receive the lions share of TV revenue and who supply a majority of the games administrators and who also receive preferential treatment from our magnificently inconsistent, inept match officials, is it any wonder Scottish football is in it's present state ?


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Originally Posted by hughieo
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I'm not looking for a fight wth my fellow hibbies but i believe there is an element of paranoia in all of this.
I will grant you the OF certainly do get the benefit of the 50/50 decisions when they play at home.The subtle pressure of 50- 60K people obviosly has an effect on any human being.
Beyond that tho i think that suggesting refs are actually in the pay of the OF or "cheating" is fanciful IMHO.
Am I being too fair-minded folks?

Are they really out to get us?


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I have spoken of this before, an old freind of mine a certain Bill Crombie admmitted to me that he often found himself, subconciously giving decisions to the OF at ibrox or parkhead, he put it down to the power of the crowd through shear numbers.

[hughieo]

KP ..I was too far away to see what happened between the benches at Ibrox.Novo was sent off tho and smith saiid he was reacting to the hibs bench reaction.That was all handbags and doesnt really affect the game so i dont get annoyed by it.
If there had been no red card that would have been a different matter



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[Grant1875]

Originally Posted by hughieo
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KP ..I was too far away to see what happened between the benches at Ibrox.Novo was sent off tho and smith saiid he was reacting to the hibs bench reaction.That was all handbags and doesnt really affect the game so i dont get annoyed by it.
If there had been no red card that would have been a different matter



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Because if it was Gathuessi that banjo'd Novo in the same manner the Rangers bench would be nice and calm about it
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Everything aboot the old firm stinks.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Grant1875
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Because if it was Gathuessi that banjo'd Novo in the same manner the Rangers bench would be nice and calm about it
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Everything aboot the old firm stinks.

I listened to the game against the huns [league game] and the commentator made reference to the fact that there were some meaty tackles going in from rangers players and said that he would be willing to bet the first reasonably dodgy tackle by a hibs player would result in a booking. It did, he was right, how did he ever manage to guess that?????

[Greenscratch]

Originally Posted by hughieo
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I think KC is a good ref.

Tin hat on but why oh why do ER fans moan so consistently about refs?

Its week in week out whinging.

Yes most of them get it wrong (a lot) but all this paranoia about cheating does my heed in.


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TBH, I find this post staggering!

The cabbage have had a hard time from refs for as long as I can remember. Rangers and Celtc have had an easy time for as long as I can remember.


Although in fairness, I'm only going back to 1979
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[Grant1875]

Originally Posted by Dub
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I listened to the game against the huns [league game] and the commentator made reference to the fact that there were some meaty tackles going in from rangers players and said that he would be willing to bet the first reasonably dodgy tackle by a hibs player would result in a booking. It did, he was right, how did he ever manage to guess that?????

It must be becoming common knowledge to some pundits now even though it's been common knowledge to me since I started going to the fitba.