Gretna Consequences

[exjarl]

Gretna game against sheep to go ahead
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[Bukta]

Originally Posted by SG7nil
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Not true, Kilmarnock recently lost to them, so it's unfair to give everyone else a win if thry're not going to get some points too.

Eh?

I've stated that every game left involving Gretna should be declared a 3-0 win. If Killie are due to play them again this season they get a 3-0 win, if they're not, then they don't. Similarly it's unlikely we'll play them again this season due to the split.

You can't just award points to teams "'cos they lost to them recently."......
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[wee 162]

Originally Posted by CAPY888
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Talking about definately taking points if they cant finish the remaining 10 games - Nightmare

Jim Jefferies kens feck all and he's the only one quoted in that article who mentions it. It's complete speculation.

Gretna have got 5 games left before the split. The league can decide to effect 5 games that haven't existed or 28 that have. It's not out of the question they'll decide to go with the 28, but it would be a perverse decision to do so imo.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Bukta
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Eh?

I've stated that every game left involving Gretna should be declared a 3-0 win. If Killie are due to play them again this season they get a 3-0 win, if they're not, then they don't. Similarly it's unlikely we'll play them again this season due to the split.

You can't just award points to teams "'cos they lost to them recently."......
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Easiest, and fairest solution imo. Why should the teams who couldn't beat a fucking pub team gain from them ceasing to exist?

[CAPY888]

[quote=wee 162;800294]Jim Jefferies kens feck all and he's the only one quoted in that article who mentions it. It's complete speculation.

Gus Mcpherson is quoted in the article as well (hoping that all the players will find there feet blah blah blah) But its the article that states about the points

"All points from games involving the bottom club would be taken out of the reckoning.

Dundee United, who have lost twice to Gretna, would be the main beneficiaries.

Celtic, who are three points behind league leaders Rangers, would move top of the table on goal difference."

I dont understand y the players would put themselves at risk to save a club which cannot be saved. If one gets crocked hes donal ducked.

[Weehibbydrew]

Originally Posted by CAPY888
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I dont understand y the players would put themselves at risk to save a club which cannot be saved. If one gets crocked hes donal ducked.

I think a fair whack of these players are on loan from other clubs. Maybe their clubs would have them insured?

[SlovSam]

I can't see there being much consequences at all about Gretna's current predictament other than a lot of hot air and some complete and utter drivel being spouted about 'liquidation','death of a football club' and 'SPL in meltdown'.

What will happen is what always happens as with Dundee, Livingston, Morton, Hamilton, Motherwell and even the guid old Hibs is that the team will stumble on until the end of the season until a rescue and restructuring practice is put in place.

All the Administrator needs to do is to provide insurance money for the players to be able to play and play they will: partly through pride and good deceny and but also through to the fact that they have nowhere else to go and they must play to keep themselves in the shop window.

The money side is almost irrelevant as no -one is going to get anything back except for maybe 1p/2p in the £ though no doubt there will be bluff after bluff such as yesterday when Gretna were meant to go bankrupt and cease to exist at lunchtime.

Well we are still waiting
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The SPL will pay the £100,000, the Celtc gate money will help and Gretna will reach the end of the season and then get relegated and restructure themselves and pay off the creditors at 1p/2p in the £ and start again under new owners maybe in the 3rd division.

Football club don't go out of business unless there is criminality involved eg Third Lanark and don't quote me Clydebank as they didn't go out of business either as they were deliberatley bought over by Jim Ballantyne and moved to Airdrie and renamed Airdrie Utd with the complicity of the SFA and Scottish League.

Like Airdireonians and Meadowbank this might be Gretna's ultimate fate
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but they will reach the end of the season.

[CAPY888]

Originally Posted by Weehibbydrew
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I think a fair whack of these players are on loan from other clubs. Maybe their clubs would have them insured?

Good point, Altho stating that alot of the players tomorow will be under 19's. Are they onloan to???

[quote=SlovSam;800326] [B]Celtc gate money will help and Gretna will reach the end of the season and then get relegated and restructure[/b] QUOTE]

How much extra will the celtic game actually bring in??? I cant see it being that much as there is obviously huge apathy within the gretna support, which just leaves the celtic support. I cant invisage it being the big amount all the press are makin it out to be
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[Dub]

Originally Posted by PILTONSTANY
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UBIG could sell Hearts debt on to another bank and Vlad still owns Tynie,making it very sticky for them if UBIG decided to do it.......

As for Gretna,If they go out the box they should award the teams due to play them 3 points,when the split comes sort it as if they would be playing the teams as normal but just award the points to the teams instead.

I doubt anyone would take on the debt without it being secured against assets though Mikey. As an aside, they are really cracking on with that new hotel in St Andrew Square eh! Not a thing has been done to the place since Vlad "bought" it.

Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby
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latest statement fae the admin gagdey says they will be unable to fulfill their fixture at Aberdeen unless all their players agree to play. They have 17 full time players but only 10 have agreed to play. If the others dont agree tomorrow to play then thats it, game over, adios, ciao, last man put the lights oot.
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Eleven players now plus some youngsters on the bench, The goalie on loan from Birmingham has agreed to play.

[Bampotto]

Could some Gretna supporters not offer themselves to play on Saturday as trialists, thus solving their player crisis??

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Bampotto
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Could some Gretna supporters not offer themselves to play on Saturday as trialists, thus solving their player crisis??

See above
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[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by SlovSam
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[B]Celtc gate money will help and Gretna will reach the end of the season and then get relegated and restructure[/b] QUOTE]

How much extra will the celtic game actually bring in??? I cant see it being that much as there is obviously huge apathy within the gretna support, which just leaves the celtic support. I cant invisage it being the big amount all the press are makin it out to be
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Say 7.000 Celtc fans at £18 each =£126,000
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It doesn't really matter as the money isn't really that important but it should help buy them time and as long as they can find 11 players able to play each week then they will be able to fulfill the fixtures.

Motherwell won't play silly buggers regarding the lease on Fir Park as they know they are getting next to nothing back anyway so they are out of the equation and it's the same with the Inland Revenue who will be content to wait to see what pittance they get from the Administrators.

The point all the pundits are missing is that bankrupt football clubs are always allowed by the authorities (be it EPL/SFA/SPL/Inland Revenue/ Local Cooncil) to survive and restructure and start again and Gretna will be no different.

I'm sure it's Bradford City who have went into Administration 3 times now and are still around.
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and Dundee and the Marrs were £17m in debt and are 2nd in the SFL.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by CAPY888
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Gus Mcpherson is quoted in the article as well (hoping that all the players will find there feet blah blah blah) But its the article that states about the points

"All points from games involving the bottom club would be taken out of the reckoning.

Dundee United, who have lost twice to Gretna, would be the main beneficiaries.

Celtic, who are three points behind league leaders Rangers, would move top of the table on goal difference."

I dont understand y the players would put themselves at risk to save a club which cannot be saved. If one gets crocked hes donal ducked.

But that's based on complete speculation as well. There is absolutely no-one quoted in that article who would have any idea what is going on. The BBC coverage of SPL football is fucking abysmal in all honesty.

[SlovSam]

Another factor that occured to me is that Gretna don't have to survive until the end of the season.

They only need to survive until the split as once they are in the bottom 6 no-one else in the bottom 6 is playing for anything as Gretna will be mathematically relegated already so any subsequent points decuctions are meaningless even if they were to somehow fold completely which of course they won't.
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After that it's the SFL's problem but you can absolutely guarantee that there will be a 'consortium of businessmen' to coin a phrase
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who come along on their wee ego trip wanting to run a football club.

They will then pay off the creditors at Xp in the £ and start up the club all over again just like what Mr Farmer done in 1991.
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[PILTONSTANY]

Originally Posted by SlovSam
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Another factor that occured to me is that Gretna don't have to survive until the end of the season.

They only need to survive until the split as once they are in the bottom 6 no-one else in the bottom 6 is playing for anything as Gretna will be mathematically relegated already so any subsequent points decuctions are meaningless even if they were to somehow fold completely which of course they won't.
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After that it's the SFL's problem but you can absolutely guarantee that there will be a 'consortium of businessmen' to coin a phrase
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who come along on their wee ego trip wanting to run a football club.

They will then pay off the creditors at Xp in the £ and start up the club all over again just like what Mr Farmer done in 1991.
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The split theory could be right but i think Gretna are goners once the developers move in........

[SKII]

Originally Posted by PILTONSTANY;

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The split theory could be right but i think Gretna are goners once the developers move in........

Think you could be right Mikey...

(PS Pleased with the draw?)

[PILTONSTANY]

Originally Posted by SKII
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Think you could be right Mikey...

(PS Pleased with the draw?)

Yeah,It's not bad,pleased not to have to beat Chelski again
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I'll take a 3-0 win at Anfield in the CL and sacrifice the other 2 games 2-0 for the greater good
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[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by PILTONSTANY
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The split theory could be right but i think Gretna are goners once the developers move in........

Ah as predicted the 'Business Consortium' have now arrived.
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It depends on what these 'Businesmen' see as their long term plan and property speculation would be unlikely as the local cooncil will just turn down flat any housing planning application in order to retain the football ground.

Maybe Chic 'Chico' Young will bore us all to death yet again about 'Irish Businessman plans to move Gretna lock stock and barrell to Dublin as we haven't heard that old 'world exclusive for a few years now.
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