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SteveIrwin · 21-12-07, 18:29

Im all for Hibs next manager gettin cash to spend, don't get me wrong.
But lets be brutal here. Rod is only doing Hibs favours by saving the cash and not blowin us into a debt hell again. Think of 10 years time. Think of 25 years time. Think of 60 years time.....
Where do you want Hibs to be? Wound up, like other clubs will surely be? I don't. Its our kids and grandkids we need to think about here and the LONG TERM future of HFC. A quick fix is what most want. Rod has other ideas, and i kinda agree with him.

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 18:48

It’s a matter of balance really.

I too think Rod is not as bad as some would have us think.

But worse than others paint him.

Chucking higher wages at moderate players is not the answer, as David Murray and £80 million proved.

A balanced programme of investment, coupled with decent talent spotting and coaching is what we need.
Having a new training ground is a fantastic enticement, if Donald Park comes back (?) then that’s even better. The odd ‘big’ (relatively speaking) signing is fine, but wages have to be in an organized fashion.

If the story is true that JC wanted to sign another half decent player (O’Brien anyone?) on a wage bigger than other proven players and was KB’d then………. I’m not too bothered frankly.

Petrie is a cantankerous argumentative arrogant bastard. No doubt about that. Is that a bad thing though?

**Gunnerhibby** · 21-12-07, 18:52

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It’s a matter of balance really.

Petrie is a cantankerous argumentative arrogant bastard. No doubt about that. Is that a bad thing though?

No.

You seem to get away with it on here
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**Stew the Hibee** · 21-12-07, 18:53

yeah fair enough he has done a great job getting us back into the black.

but selling players isnt the only way to make money. gate receipts must surely make up at least the players wages.

TV deals, newspapers etc.

Football fans are only interested in the short term. going far in cups can raise money, doing well in the league aswell. but to do these you need good players. something that money can buy

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 19:09

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No.

You seem to get away with it on here
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**Gunnerhibby** · 21-12-07, 19:15

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Im all for Hibs next manager gettin cash to spend, don't get me wrong.
But lets be brutal here. Rod is only doing Hibs favours by saving the cash and not blowin us into a debt hell again. Think of 10 years time. Think of 25 years time. Think of 60 years time.....
Where do you want Hibs to be? Wound up, like other clubs will surely be? I don't. Its our kids and grandkids we need to think about here and the LONG TERM future of HFC. A quick fix is what most want. Rod has other ideas, and i kinda agree with him.

Aye, and think of 4 short years ago when we were near-£20 Million in debt. He done us a big favour getting us into that fix.

We are now in a state where the finances are solid, and Petrie has to be credited with a lot to do with this, as well as the fans who dug deep over the last few years in the form of ST's, Walk-ups, merchandise, etc.

But we have to raise the bar to take the club to the next level.

And I dont mean the exorbitant spending Petrie allowed a few years back that got us near-extinct.

But we must have funds available that will attract a calibre of player that can take us forward.

Smurf · 21-12-07, 20:24

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Aye, and think of 4 short years ago when we were near-£20 Million in debt. He done us a big favour getting us into that fix.

We are now in a state where the finances are solid, and Petrie has to be credited with a lot to do with this, as well as the fans who dug deep over the last few years in the form of ST's, Walk-ups, merchandise, etc.

But we have to raise the bar to take the club to the next level.

And I dont mean the exorbitant spending Petrie allowed a few years back that got us near-extinct.

But we must have funds available that will attract a calibre of player that can take us forward.

Spot on.

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 20:36

Rodders was the CX when we ran up the debt.

But........... how did the debt arise? (Did for instance the top 10 clubs agree a deal with TV only to get shafted by the Old Firm?, or Ginger judas spend money on players he hadn't checked out because he was already on the payroll of derhun?) Or did Rod just get it wrong?

:Shrink15:

Smurf · 21-12-07, 20:39

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Rodders was the CX when we ran up the debt.

But........... how did the debt arise? (Did for instance the top 10 clubs agree a deal with TV only to get shafted by the Old Firm?, or Ginger judas spend money on players he hadn't checked out because he was already on the payroll of derhun?) Or did Rod just get it wrong?

:Shrink15:

Some ridiculous deals were sanctioned.

John O'Neil was IIRC on more appearance money than the weekly wage Fletch has just signed for..

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 20:52

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Some ridiculous deals were sanctioned.

John O'Neil was IIRC on more appearance money than the weekly wage Fletch has just signed for..

Quite so.

Judas agreed a load of shite deals when he was making his own with the Huns, and all the SPL 8 got shafted by the OF squirming out of an independant TV deal.

I'm no love child of Rodders (seriously mum, I know that) but the fcucking over that Hibs got was not down to Rod, it was down to other ****s who renaged on deals.

Ah fcukit.

Why should I care. he has a dodgy moustache and deserves aeverything he gets.

Pilrig · 21-12-07, 21:01

We might be the bank balance champs of the SPL but if you're happy with one major trophy in a generation Rod's yer man.

PLAYERS SOLD = £8.8 MILLION; PLAYERS BOUGHT = £360,000

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 21:05

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We might be the bank balance champs of the SPL but if you're happy with one major trophy in a generation Rod's yer man.

PLAYERS SOLD = £8.8 MILLION; PLAYERS BOUGHT = £360,000

I'm maybe missing your point.

Did we take in too much money for players?

We sold players for a decent sum. Market Value.

We paid off a load of debts with that money.

Oh dear.

Smurf · 21-12-07, 21:09

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I'm maybe missing your point.

Did we take in too much money for players?

We sold players for a decent sum. Market Value.

We paid off a load of debts with that money.

Oh dear.

Point is though Doc that if we continue to weaken from our starting point we'll get weaker...

Sorry we already have.

Pilrig · 21-12-07, 21:19

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I'm maybe missing your point.

Did we take in too much money for players?

We sold players for a decent sum. Market Value.

We paid off a load of debts with that money.

Oh dear.

Did we take in too much money for those players ? Of course not. I think we should have got a couple of million more for Broonaldo but on the other hand we ripped off the huns as regards Mammy's Boy & Whitty.

Paid off a lot of debts ? Well you could mean Hibernian Football Club ( 90 % shareholders - STF & Rod) paid off debts owing to Hibernian Holdings (proprietors STF & Rod) ?

PLAYERS SOLD = £8.8 MILLION; PLAYERS BOUGHT = £360,000

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 21:19

I see your point Smurf..... but .........

Forget about Hibs for a minute....

If you 'grow talent' for next to nowt and sell it for millions, which is then invested in the club...........

Is that not a bad thing?

Then you have to rely on buying/growing more....... which you sell on...... is that not business?

We ALL want Hibs to succeed, but some of the criticism is just pish.

In my pish opinion obviously.

**Dr Shrink** · 21-12-07, 21:23

Aye Pilrig.

Your basic points are fine, but the bold sig (which I guess is a criticism) could also be seen as a plaudit for Rod?

We are third highest payers. (I'm not counting the Gunts because they are Gunts) and we should expect 3rd place in the League or thereabouts.l

Mon the Thirds.

Pilrig · 21-12-07, 21:27

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Aye Pilrig.

Your basic points are fine, but the bold sig (which I guess is a criticism) could also be seen as a plaudit for Rod?

We are third highest payers. (I'm not counting the Gunts because they are Gunts) and we should expect 3rd place in the League or thereabouts.l

Mon the Thirds.

Not a plaudit for Rod. As a football chairman he's a bloody good accountant.

Mon the Thirds ? Well you know what happened to them ?

PLAYERS SOLD = £8.8 MILLION; PLAYERS BOUGHT = £360,000

thumbs · 21-12-07, 21:31

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Im all for Hibs next manager gettin cash to spend, don't get me wrong.
But lets be brutal here. Rod is only doing Hibs favours by saving the cash and not blowin us into a debt hell again. Think of 10 years time. Think of 25 years time. Think of 60 years time.....
Where do you want Hibs to be? Wound up, like other clubs will surely be? I don't. Its our kids and grandkids we need to think about here and the LONG TERM future of HFC. A quick fix is what most want. Rod has other ideas, and i kinda agree with him.

now rod, isnt a bit much that you've had to resort tocoming on here to defend yourself. you know you've blown the respect of the fans and this ain't gonna do it for damage limitation......

**shandongreen** · 21-12-07, 21:32

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Aye Pilrig.

Your basic points are fine, but the bold sig (which I guess is a criticism) could also be seen as a plaudit for Rod?

We are third highest payers. (I'm not counting the Gunts because they are Gunts) and we should expect 3rd place in the League or thereabouts.l

Mon the Thirds.

IM DISCOUNTING THE GUNTS,but dont believe that for a second,sorry mate but can you show where that is stated.

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SteveIrwin Heavenly Radge Join Date: May 2005 Location: too far from Dublin Posts: 736 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 4	Rod doing good for HFC Im all for Hibs next manager gettin cash to spend, don't get me wrong. But lets be brutal here. Rod is only doing Hibs favours by saving the cash and not blowin us into a debt hell again. Think of 10 years time. Think of 25 years time. Think of 60 years time..... Where do you want Hibs to be? Wound up, like other clubs will surely be? I don't. Its our kids and grandkids we need to think about here and the LONG TERM future of HFC. A quick fix is what most want. Rod has other ideas, and i kinda agree with him. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Dr Shrink Smugness Personified Radge Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a cupboard under the stairs. Age: 82 Posts: 8,723 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 33 Thanked 164 Times in 81 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: Rod doing good for HFC It’s a matter of balance really. I too think Rod is not as bad as some would have us think. But worse than others paint him. Chucking higher wages at moderate players is not the answer, as David Murray and £80 million proved. A balanced programme of investment, coupled with decent talent spotting and coaching is what we need. Having a new training ground is a fantastic enticement, if Donald Park comes back (?) then that’s even better. The odd ‘big’ (relatively speaking) signing is fine, but wages have to be in an organized fashion. If the story is true that JC wanted to sign another half decent player (O’Brien anyone?) on a wage bigger than other proven players and was KB’d then………. I’m not too bothered frankly. Petrie is a cantankerous argumentative arrogant bastard. No doubt about that. Is that a bad thing though? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. For the avoidance of doubt, anything stated in the above post is written without prejudice; is probably completely uninformed opinion, and possibly just a figment of my imagination. Readers should either ignore, treat with contempt, or simply accept the spirit it is written in, without recourse to huffy replies, legal action or threats of violence. That includes YOU.

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Stew the Hibee Capital Green Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edinburgh Age: 15 Posts: 3,004 vCash: 500 Thanks: 26 Thanked 27 Times in 23 Posts Rep Power: 12	Re: Rod doing good for HFC yeah fair enough he has done a great job getting us back into the black. but selling players isnt the only way to make money. gate receipts must surely make up at least the players wages. TV deals, newspapers etc. Football fans are only interested in the short term. going far in cups can raise money, doing well in the league aswell. but to do these you need good players. something that money can buy __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Visit the official bebo site of the Hibs Ultras. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - The official website of the Capital Greens. Please sign up for our newsletters, and sign up to the site. It's worth it, I promise My Countdown Is........ Counting down to: Trial match with salvesen Trial played, hopefully signed.

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Dr Shrink Smugness Personified Radge Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a cupboard under the stairs. Age: 82 Posts: 8,723 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 33 Thanked 164 Times in 81 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: Rod doing good for HFC Rodders was the CX when we ran up the debt. But........... how did the debt arise? (Did for instance the top 10 clubs agree a deal with TV only to get shafted by the Old Firm?, or Ginger judas spend money on players he hadn't checked out because he was already on the payroll of derhun?) Or did Rod just get it wrong? :Shrink15: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. For the avoidance of doubt, anything stated in the above post is written without prejudice; is probably completely uninformed opinion, and possibly just a figment of my imagination. Readers should either ignore, treat with contempt, or simply accept the spirit it is written in, without recourse to huffy replies, legal action or threats of violence. That includes YOU.

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Pilrig A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Livingston, Scotland Age: 54 Posts: 3,338 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 10	Re: Rod doing good for HFC We might be the bank balance champs of the SPL but if you're happy with one major trophy in a generation Rod's yer man. PLAYERS SOLD = £8.8 MILLION; PLAYERS BOUGHT = £360,000

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Dr Shrink Smugness Personified Radge Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a cupboard under the stairs. Age: 82 Posts: 8,723 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 33 Thanked 164 Times in 81 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: Rod doing good for HFC I see your point Smurf..... but ......... Forget about Hibs for a minute.... If you 'grow talent' for next to nowt and sell it for millions, which is then invested in the club........... Is that not a bad thing? Then you have to rely on buying/growing more....... which you sell on...... is that not business? We ALL want Hibs to succeed, but some of the criticism is just pish. In my pish opinion obviously. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. For the avoidance of doubt, anything stated in the above post is written without prejudice; is probably completely uninformed opinion, and possibly just a figment of my imagination. Readers should either ignore, treat with contempt, or simply accept the spirit it is written in, without recourse to huffy replies, legal action or threats of violence. That includes YOU.

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Dr Shrink Smugness Personified Radge Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a cupboard under the stairs. Age: 82 Posts: 8,723 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 33 Thanked 164 Times in 81 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: Rod doing good for HFC Aye Pilrig. Your basic points are fine, but the bold sig (which I guess is a criticism) could also be seen as a plaudit for Rod? We are third highest payers. (I'm not counting the Gunts because they are Gunts) and we should expect 3rd place in the League or thereabouts.l Mon the Thirds. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. For the avoidance of doubt, anything stated in the above post is written without prejudice; is probably completely uninformed opinion, and possibly just a figment of my imagination. Readers should either ignore, treat with contempt, or simply accept the spirit it is written in, without recourse to huffy replies, legal action or threats of violence. That includes YOU.