Would you consider bringing DR to ER Ambitious? - HibeesBounce.com

**Kenny** · 14-12-07, 10:51

bringing DR to ER is Ambitious?

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Originally Posted by Kenny

I wouldn't call taking DR back ambition....

If thats your only aim then it's hardly ambitious...

DR can't get a game at the next level up from us - a level where KT and SW regularly feature. DR isn't recognised internationally.

DR is considering going to the gunts (he certainly hasn't killed the paper talk).

Signing DR would be signing DR nothing more nothing less...certainly not ambition as i'd like to see it.

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Originally Posted by *chops

Maybe bringing an ex player back to the club isn't particularly ambitious - but if you look at it another way, maybe it is...

Derek Riordan is a squad player at a top European club (which Celtic are now, as much as I hate to admit it, due to their Champions League + UEFA Cup exploits of recent years. Not an elite club, but certainly in the top 20, I would say), and is on a hell of a lot more money at that club than we can afford. Were we to sign a player occupying a similar position in the squad of say Lyon, or PAOK, or Olympiakos, or even Liverpool, then I think that would be regarded as a good, and possibly ambitious signing, and we'd all be saying "I think the guy can do it for us, look at the training he must have had at his old club...he's got talent, he just needs a chance to show it".

The difference with Riordan is that we KNOW he CAN do it at SPL level, and that if given a chance he could also do it on the European level.

I'd also consider Riordan's signing to be ambitious on JC's part as a manager. His disposal of all those who rocked the boat at the end of last season, and reliance upon those loyal to him since then, show me that he just wants a quiet life. He wants harmony in the dressing room, and there's nothing wrong with that. Riordan may not be JC's "type" of person, or personality, but you can be damn sure that he would be JC's type of striker (the 20 goal a season kind!), and I think taking on a player who has been considered by previous managers, like Tony Mowbray, to be a bit of a rough diamond would show that JC is willing to test his managerial skills and his man management skills further. JC says he wants to be a top manager - well top managers work with top players, and top players are known to be difficult to work with, due to their egos, eccentricities, stupidity, "creative genius" and so on. Not accusing Derek Riordan of being any of the above, but I do think that Riordan would be something different from anything JC has worked with before in a managerial capacity.

**wee 162** · 14-12-07, 11:05

It would certainly be a lot more ambitious than signing strikers from the English Conference or Norwegian second division...

And I wouldn't agree that he would do the damage at SPL level, he has done it there with Hibs, but we're getting on for two seasons since that was the case. So we don't actually know that for sure, so to that extent we could probably call it an out of character gamble from Hibs. Whether we want to call that ambitious or not is probably down to your definition of what the word means.

FWIW I would take him back. He was excellent for us, he's been wasted at Celtic, he would potentially still be someone who would be worth a lot of money if he was scoring goals at a regular level, and he would obviously help in the time he was here. I would also like him to be an example to the young laddies that talent isn't everything, and making good decisions about your future is very very important...

Smurf · 14-12-07, 11:45

I agree 100% with the above post.

**SoulBamRab** · 14-12-07, 11:51

We aren't going to get him back though are we so this speculation is pretty pointless, sorry to piss on your parade guys but he's no gonna take a massive reduction in wages when he can get the same if not more down south is he?

If he comes back i'll be delighted and i'll eat my words.

**Purple & Green** · 14-12-07, 11:57

He'd need to take a massive pay cut, and ultimately we'd be looking to sell him on again. I don't see the point really now we have Fletch and Damon Gray coming through. To play Riordan would mean depriving players of time they need to develop.

If, on the other hand, he was going to sign a 5 year contract and be part of Hibs for that length of time then I think that would be a great idea. If we took him and punted him in the next transfer window or January 2009, I'd be left wondering what we actually achieved*

*Unless of course he scores the winner in the Scottish Cup Final.

**Kenny** · 14-12-07, 12:09

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We aren't going to get him back though are we so this speculation is pretty pointless, sorry to piss on your parade guys but he's no gonna take a massive reduction in wages when he can get the same if not more down south is he?

If he comes back i'll be delighted and i'll eat my words.

Ah you have missed the point somewhat - its a hypothetical question used to gage the forums perception of ambition with regard to hibs.

**SoulBamRab** · 14-12-07, 12:14

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Ah you have missed the point somewhat - its a hypothetical question used to gage the forums perception of ambition with regard to hibs.

Oh right.

**Vini1875** · 14-12-07, 17:40

Hibs need to do something to match the ambition of the fans and JC. Deek coming back would be good business financially and in terms of us getting a few more goals. I think whether he comes or not the board need to make a bit of splash this January in order to secure a Uefa cup spot and God willing the Scottish cup.

Unfortunately I think the board will measure ambition by not selling any players in jan. and no-one arriving. The young players we have on the fringes are going to have to really step up to push the guys in first team at the minute. I think our squad is average SPL at best, but the young guys are not really staking a claim which is a worry.

**Green Sleeves** · 14-12-07, 18:50

Deek hasnt failed at Celtic, he's just no had a chance. Hardly surprising this season when you consider that he's competing with Aiden McGeady for the wide left berth and Scott McDonald for the central striker's role. Two seasons ago it might have been different, but you wouldnt pick Deek before either of them now.

Hibs Resident · 14-12-07, 20:09

What is for sure that we will be hardly better without him then with him.

But the way he left Hibs I am not sure we need to invite him back.

**Dub** · 14-12-07, 21:43

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He'd need to take a massive pay cut, and ultimately we'd be looking to sell him on again. I don't see the point really now we have Fletch and Damon Gray coming through. To play Riordan would mean depriving players of time they need to develop.

If, on the other hand, he was going to sign a 5 year contract and be part of Hibs for that length of time then I think that would be a great idea. If we took him and punted him in the next transfer window or January 2009, I'd be left wondering what we actually achieved*

*Unless of course he scores the winner in the Scottish Cup Final.

And possibly get a massive signing on fee to cover that. You never know.

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Deek hasnt failed at Celtic, he's just no had a chance. Hardly surprising this season when you consider that he's competing with Aiden McGeady for the wide left berth and Scott McDonald for the central striker's role. Two seasons ago it might have been different, but you wouldnt pick Deek before either of them now.

Its surprising though as Strachan bangs on about how Deek is the best finisher at Darkheid. You'd think the cock would give him a chance now and then if thats the case.

Fwiw I would love to see deek back at the LSS banging in 20 goals a season. At this point you would expect - on average - that he would have scored 6 or 7 goals [I cant be arsed working it all out properly]. How many games that we lost might we have won if he was there to knock in a few goals.

HibeeAnderson · 15-12-07, 02:24

Skill/Ability - YES

Attitude/Previous - NO

It wont happen so pretty little left to say.

blue toon hibby · 15-12-07, 10:57

In terms of signing a proven goalscorer at our level and a natural talent (albeit after a year in the wilderness) - ambitious.

**Baron von Hibee** · 15-12-07, 12:55

Keeping Chris Killen in the summer would have shown more ambition than bringing Derek Riordan back in my opinion.

Personally think it would be a backward step to bring him back, wouldn't be keen to see it happen.

Would also strike me as the ultimate hypocricy for JC to criticise (and in some cases offload) players for their unprofessional lifestyle away from football, then bring Riordan back to Easter Rd.

**top_geezer** · 17-12-07, 18:02

20 goals a season.

Nuff said.

KeithDev1875 · 17-12-07, 18:24

Hasn't he scored something like 8 goals in 12 starts for celtc?

**Keepitgreen** · 18-12-07, 03:17

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Honestly when will this feckin groundhog thread ever feck off and die? The boy WILL NEVER PLAY FOR HIBS AGAIN.

Get over it. It's done. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Never. Ever. Ever ever. Pweasebaweeveit.

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**Bill Oddies Beard** · 18-12-07, 21:59

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Honestly when will this feckin groundhog thread ever feck off and die? The boy WILL NEVER PLAY FOR HIBS AGAIN.

Get over it. It's done. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Never. Ever. Ever ever. Pweasebaweeveit.

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Just what, exactly, are you trying to get at?
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**Keepitgreen** · 19-12-07, 03:29

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Thing is Brian, I can obviously see why people would like to see Derek Riordan back at Easter Road. I would like to see it myself ffs! The guy has immense talent and scores goals for fun...

I have only positive things to say about the player himself - I used to work with his uncle James who occasionally posts on here. Top gadgie. I once bumped into DR up town peshed when he was with us and shouted at him not to move to the weedge: he took this in good grace. Sound.

By all accounts, he was seriously shafted by our club with regards to the contract offer and I have genuine sympathy for him if that was the case.

In the here and now however, surely any dummy can see that he has moved to a bigger club and he's on bigger wages. It is surely not possible for him to ever take such a drastic step down as to move back to Hibs.

He cannot, would not, will not do this IMO. Therefore I just find this repetitive stuff about wanting him back all just ever-so-slightly pointless. Can you tell?
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