Is this job to big for Collins?

[Mapleleaf Hibee]

I was all for given Collins a fair shake at becoming the new Hibs manager after Mogga but it is very easy to see this man is way over his head, with team selection, substitutions and the players he has brought to ER l am affraid Collins is clueless. Yes he was a good player with a very good coaching pedigree but that does not make a good manager, he seems to be more about himself than the team and his patter is now growing thin. Also the constant soap opera about the wage bill has to stop, pay shit wages get shit players simple as that. If that is what the future holds forget expanding the ground because the ST will find other ways to spend their hard earned cash. I hate to be doom and gloom because this club runs through my veins but we are in a crisis and the sooner something is done the better or is Collins at ER because he would manage for peanuts and that seems to be Petries way cheap, cheap,cheap.
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[top_geezer]

I agree.

You'll get plenty replies claiming third in the league is evidence that he is not that bad but I think that there is just a low standard and a lack of genuine ambition to challenge the OF in Scotland.

[pennywellhibby]

Originally Posted by Mapleleaf Hibee

I was all for given Collins a fair shake at becoming the new Hibs manager after Mogga but it is very easy to see this man is way over his head, with team selection, substitutions and the players he has brought to ER l am affraid Collins is clueless. Yes he was a good player with a very good coaching pedigree but that does not make a good manager, he seems to be more about himself than the team and his patter is now growing thin. Also the constant soap opera about the wage bill has to stop, pay shit wages get shit players simple as that. If that is what the future holds forget expanding the ground because the ST will find other ways to spend their hard earned cash. I hate to be doom and gloom because this club runs through my veins but we are in a crisis and the sooner something is done the better or is Collins at ER because he would manage for peanuts and that seems to be Petries way cheap, cheap,cheap.
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wheres the crisis sitting up near the top of the league only lost 3 games in the league hows that a crisis if you want a crisis go back to the duffy team or dare I say it the Sauzee team but at the moment there is no crisis

[Mapleleaf Hibee]

Originally Posted by pennywellhibby

wheres the crisis sitting up near the top of the league only lost 3 games in the league hows that a crisis if you want a crisis go back to the duffy team or dare I say it the Sauzee team but at the moment there is no crisis

no crisis and no ambition, to be truthful this may be the worst OF teams in years and with a bit of ambition and balls we could be talking 2nd place but no lets balance the budget and be safe and take no risks. You do not make chicken soup from chicken shit, wait till January and then we will see the true effects of our board and managers lack of balls and ambition.

[Galloway Hibby]

I dnt know about the job to big for J.C. but did we miss big Rob ,Hogg just about got pass
mark,s but McCann aint a giant of a centre half. We are dropping silly point.s we could
be well clear in third even pushing the hun,s for second .We must get back on track
on saturday at Calley

[sauzee_legend]

We've only been defeated 3 times in the league all season, undefeated against the Old Firm and won at Swiney.

[Livi_hibee]

Originally Posted by sauzee_legend

We've only been defeated 3 times in the league all season, undefeated against the Old Firm and won at Swiney.

i see what your saying but the last 4 or 5 games have been a bit concerning

[sauzee_legend]

I know mate but if we win our next few games there will be threads claiming Collins is the new Alex Ferguson.... or along those lines.

[Livi_hibee]

Originally Posted by sauzee_legend

I know mate but if we win our next few games there will be threads claiming Collins is the new Alex Ferguson.... or along those lines.

true, its just a case of wait and see, i personally am expecting a big improvement for the over the next 2 games though

[Hibees-Mad]

ffs I cant believe all the tom kite that folk have been saying after that game on Sunday.

yes, it WAS a dreadful performance, a team that looked devoid of fight, and players out of position. Its the worst Ive seen in a long, long time - and I hope it will be a long long time until I see it again. But I saw worse under Williamson. I saw worse under Duffy. I saw worse under Miller.

JC IS a young manager, and he IS learning - he has said so himself. But in over his head? Was he over his head when we beat Celtic? What about Hearts? Rangers?

Was he out of his depth when we scored 5 at Hampden and made grown men cry with joy?

I'll tell you something, Mowbrays sides wouldnt come back from 2 goals down too often.......

[Mapleleaf Hibee]

Originally Posted by Hibees-Mad

ffs I cant believe all the tom kite that folk have been saying after that game on Sunday.

yes, it WAS a dreadful performance, a team that looked devoid of fight, and players out of position. Its the worst Ive seen in a long, long time - and I hope it will be a long long time until I see it again. But I saw worse under Williamson. I saw worse under Duffy. I saw worse under Miller.

JC IS a young manager, and he IS learning - he has said so himself. But in over his head? Was he over his head when we beat Celtic? What about Hearts? Rangers?

Was he out of his depth when we scored 5 at Hampden and made grown men cry with joy?

I'll tell you something, Mowbrays sides wouldnt come back from 2 goals down too often.......

Will agree with you on 2 counts, l am not ashamed to say l was on who was crying at Hampden
and can not remember to may comebacks in the Mowbrays days but Miller also won a league cup.
I still think he is over his head and the 3 teams you named lets see how he does the next time around, l hope l am wrong but does not inspire me one little bit but will be over there for the Rangers game and will gladly buy you a pint if l am proven wrong.

[Archie]

No.

[greencol]

Originally Posted by Mapleleaf Hibee

no crisis and no ambition, to be truthful this may be the worst OF teams in years and with a bit of ambition and balls we could be talking 2nd place but no lets balance the budget and be safe and take no risks. You do not make chicken soup from chicken shit, wait till January and then we will see the true effects of our board and managers lack of balls and ambition.

The OF are poor. It follows that the Champions League is poor too? The OF are in there remember.

Lack of ambition?

Well lets imagine we buy a few guys at say, 500k each. Pay them 6k each PW.

That is going to guarantee success is it?

IIRC the mega bucks we paid Sauzee, Latapy, O'Neil & the rest got us fuck all.
Oh sorry , i forgot the 6-2 game which for some justifies all the cash.






PS. I forgot about the dept we racked up in the meantime.
I knew we got something from that particular splashing of cash.

[©stretch]

Originally Posted by greencol

PS. I forgot about the dept we racked up in the meantime.
I knew we got something from that particular splashing of cash.

Is that DEBT. Or abbreviated Department?


A Pedantic Bastard.

[greencol]

Originally Posted by ©stretch

Is that DEBT. Or abbreviated Department?


A Pedantic Bastard.

Pedantic? Is that Tranentspeak for 'fud'?

No reply necessary, its rhetorical.:YAYYY:


Fit like ye musclebound beast ye??

[GforGallo]

so one week its john collins is destined for bigger and better things(see qpr and wigan speculation for my point) a defeat later and the jobs far to big for him. Everyone knows our wage structure is pish and says "pay peanuts get monkeys" yet its collins fault hes not brought in the 11 best players in the league.

your right though the of are pretty pish this season but will still make more money from their european runs than we will from all our trading... thats why its unrealistic to think we can challenge them

[TattooedHibee]

Don't agree.

A bad patch doesn't make the manager suddenly bad or clueless. It's how he tries to make the effort in changing that form. Inverness and Falkirk is that test.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No.

[HibeeZab]

no.

he's the most results driven boss we've had in years. Some performances are a bit dodgy but we seem to get the points more often than not. The aberdeen and st mirren games we were piss poor, other than that it's been no too bad. We don't have the same quality of players we did under Mowbray to play the good football, but we are a more solid unit now. a little more depth at the back an a genuine midfield ball winner (Nobouisse maybe?) and we can challenge at the top IMO.

[emerald green]

Nope.


Collins will do for me.

[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by Mapleleaf Hibee

I was all for given Collins a fair shake at becoming the new Hibs manager after Mogga but it is very easy to see this man is way over his head, with team selection, substitutions and the players he has brought to ER l am affraid Collins is clueless. Yes he was a good player with a very good coaching pedigree but that does not make a good manager, he seems to be more about himself than the team and his patter is now growing thin. Also the constant soap opera about the wage bill has to stop, pay shit wages get shit players simple as that. If that is what the future holds forget expanding the ground because the ST will find other ways to spend their hard earned cash. I hate to be doom and gloom because this club runs through my veins but [b]we are in a [/B]crisis and the sooner something is done the better or is Collins at ER because he would manage for peanuts and that seems to be Petries way cheap, cheap,cheap.
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In the space of year JC has delivered the first trophy in 15 years and at the moment Hibs are 3rd in the league with only 3 defeats in the season.. By any teams standards that is a very high rate of return and by Hibs dreadful standards of the last 25 years it is almost breathtaking.

I think the evidence if fairly overwhelming therefore that JC is far from 'clueless' and in fact has proved himself in a very short period of time to be a very good football manager and that the job is well within his capabilities.

Similarly it's quite hard to see how Hibs are in a crisis unless you start from the premise that 1 or 2 defeats represents an execution and nor can JC be remotely criticised because Hibs aren't challenging 'Scotland's Shame or 'Ticelc' for 1st or 2nd place.

It's actually a bit silly to think that any team with a £10m turnover can remotely challenge teams with £60m and £75m turnovers, it doesn't happen anywhere in the world so why should it happen in Scotland

Nor does the argument that 'Scotland Shame' or 'Cleict' are poor hold any water as they both qualified for the Champions League on merit and one or both may even qualify for the knockout stage on merit. They are both perfectly competent if a bit one dimensional teams but neither are 'poor'.

Where JC does deserve serious criticism is his signing policy as there has hardly been a successful signing so far and his almost myopic belief in certain players who are obviously not as good as he seems to think and unless there is a big improvement in this area then this will come back to haunt him as Murphy and Fletcher are leaving soon and there is nothing he can do about that but he has to find qualty replacements at the right price as a 'good manager' needs 'good players'

Petrie and money ..... AGREE , AGREE ,AGREE.